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On July 15 2009 07:43 Klapdout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2009 07:35 cUrsOr wrote:
Any bottlenecks for my Comp to run SC2?? Plz Respond if you know <3
OS: Windows Vista 32 Bit
MotherBoard: GigaByte P35-DS3L
Processor: Quad Core Duo 2.4ghz Q6600
Memory: 3.072 GB DDR2
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS
H-D: WDC SE16 7200 RPM 200GB free (16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5")
Power: Allied 400W SL-8400BTX
It should run sc2 on low settings fine, your video card will be holding you back though, You will need another power supply when you do upgrade however.
i was just reading and thinking the SAME thing bro. thank you. i was looking into maybe a 512... because i only have a PCI-E X16 slot, i dont have the 2.0... so im only going to get the best 1.0 (X16) and not have the sweet 2.0 ones.
but yes, i added up my wattage, and ill need at least 500 and probably go with 650W when i do it, maybe today. I was reading and thinking exactly what you said... I appreciate your time looking at it.
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On July 15 2009 07:47 Klapdout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2009 07:38 UmmTheHobo wrote:On July 15 2009 07:25 Saddened Izzy wrote:
The GTX285 os a refined GTX280 Usual boost is about 5-15% in performance.(again depends on settings in game and game itself) Nvidia does releases like this, 1st product cycle is a newer tech 2nd product cycle is the newer tech refined, and repeat. Only down side for GTX 280 is it's considered dead by nvidia so tring to find another to sli with would be hard 6 months from now or something.
For that price on newegg i would just get a GTX 275 it performs about even and sometimes better then the 280 along with that it's fairly new so drivers will improve. As the GTX275 like the GTX285 are 55nm GT200 chips vs the GTX 280 which is a 65nm. Progress! Thanks for the info, I do like my graphics cards to be supported by the chip-set manufacturer. Another quick question. The GTX 275 requires 550 watt power supply minimum, my power supply only does 550 maximum. I don't think it would work with my power supply as my power supply has to power other things as well, is this line of thinking accurate? I don't want my computer to explode. Power supply recommendations take into account a system with many fans, and accessories running as well, there is a ton of headroom What brand is your power supply, if its a quality brand your golden, if its an off brand you will need to upgrade I posted a link a few pages back with an overclocked core i7 system with a gtx 295 only using 411 watts at full load. Of course you don't want to run at 100% capacity, and every system is different. EDIT: I should have just edited this into my last post, I fail.
I got a topower. Specifications here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817342015. I am not sure if it is a top notch brand, I just got the cheapest one I could find  . About the 4890, it only has 256-bit ram, and the GTX has 512-bit ram does this make a noticeable difference?
EDIT: but then again the 4890 has GDDR5 and the GTX only has GDDR3, so confusing D:
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On July 15 2009 07:55 cUrsOr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2009 07:43 Klapdout wrote:On July 15 2009 07:35 cUrsOr wrote:
Any bottlenecks for my Comp to run SC2?? Plz Respond if you know <3
OS: Windows Vista 32 Bit
MotherBoard: GigaByte P35-DS3L
Processor: Quad Core Duo 2.4ghz Q6600
Memory: 3.072 GB DDR2
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS
H-D: WDC SE16 7200 RPM 200GB free (16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5")
Power: Allied 400W SL-8400BTX
It should run sc2 on low settings fine, your video card will be holding you back though, You will need another power supply when you do upgrade however. i was just reading and thinking the SAME thing bro. thank you. i was looking into maybe a 512... because i only have a PCI-E X16 slot, i dont have the 2.0... so im only going to get the best 1.0 (X16) and not have the sweet 2.0 ones. but yes, i added up my wattage, and ill need at least 500 and probably go with 650W when i do it, maybe today. I was reading and thinking exactly what you said... I appreciate your time looking at it.
pci express 2.0 cards are 100% backwards compatible with pci express 1.0, its not like the agp transitions, the 2.0's have twice the bandwidth, but the only card that really needs the added bandwidth is teh gtx 295, and even that your looking at only 5-10% performance loss with 1.0
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On July 15 2009 07:56 UmmTheHobo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2009 07:47 Klapdout wrote:On July 15 2009 07:38 UmmTheHobo wrote:On July 15 2009 07:25 Saddened Izzy wrote:
The GTX285 os a refined GTX280 Usual boost is about 5-15% in performance.(again depends on settings in game and game itself) Nvidia does releases like this, 1st product cycle is a newer tech 2nd product cycle is the newer tech refined, and repeat. Only down side for GTX 280 is it's considered dead by nvidia so tring to find another to sli with would be hard 6 months from now or something.
For that price on newegg i would just get a GTX 275 it performs about even and sometimes better then the 280 along with that it's fairly new so drivers will improve. As the GTX275 like the GTX285 are 55nm GT200 chips vs the GTX 280 which is a 65nm. Progress! Thanks for the info, I do like my graphics cards to be supported by the chip-set manufacturer. Another quick question. The GTX 275 requires 550 watt power supply minimum, my power supply only does 550 maximum. I don't think it would work with my power supply as my power supply has to power other things as well, is this line of thinking accurate? I don't want my computer to explode. Power supply recommendations take into account a system with many fans, and accessories running as well, there is a ton of headroom What brand is your power supply, if its a quality brand your golden, if its an off brand you will need to upgrade I posted a link a few pages back with an overclocked core i7 system with a gtx 295 only using 411 watts at full load. Of course you don't want to run at 100% capacity, and every system is different. EDIT: I should have just edited this into my last post, I fail. I got a topower. Specifications here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817342015. I am not sure if it is a top notch brand, I just got the cheapest one I could find .
Most people do ;P
Don't buy cheap power supplies! they will lose you money in your electrical bill every month, good brands pay for themselves over time
I recommend
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341010
very good budget supply
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/451/10
As far as video cards, just worry about prices and benchmarks ;P manufacturers can spin why they're better until they are blue in the teeth, in the end all that matters is performance and price.
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wow thats great to know. thank you again :O
i live by a great local PC store that usually has some of the new shit on sale. and the ~700MB's are still in my price range. hopefully one of the 1g's will be as well. but im going to get a high quality power supply with lots of ampage as well as 500/650W... ill might post an edit if i end up finding anything good enough to buy. ty again
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On July 15 2009 08:02 Klapdout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2009 07:56 UmmTheHobo wrote:On July 15 2009 07:47 Klapdout wrote:On July 15 2009 07:38 UmmTheHobo wrote:On July 15 2009 07:25 Saddened Izzy wrote:
The GTX285 os a refined GTX280 Usual boost is about 5-15% in performance.(again depends on settings in game and game itself) Nvidia does releases like this, 1st product cycle is a newer tech 2nd product cycle is the newer tech refined, and repeat. Only down side for GTX 280 is it's considered dead by nvidia so tring to find another to sli with would be hard 6 months from now or something.
For that price on newegg i would just get a GTX 275 it performs about even and sometimes better then the 280 along with that it's fairly new so drivers will improve. As the GTX275 like the GTX285 are 55nm GT200 chips vs the GTX 280 which is a 65nm. Progress! Thanks for the info, I do like my graphics cards to be supported by the chip-set manufacturer. Another quick question. The GTX 275 requires 550 watt power supply minimum, my power supply only does 550 maximum. I don't think it would work with my power supply as my power supply has to power other things as well, is this line of thinking accurate? I don't want my computer to explode. Power supply recommendations take into account a system with many fans, and accessories running as well, there is a ton of headroom What brand is your power supply, if its a quality brand your golden, if its an off brand you will need to upgrade I posted a link a few pages back with an overclocked core i7 system with a gtx 295 only using 411 watts at full load. Of course you don't want to run at 100% capacity, and every system is different. EDIT: I should have just edited this into my last post, I fail. I got a topower. Specifications here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817342015. I am not sure if it is a top notch brand, I just got the cheapest one I could find . Most people do ;P Don't buy cheap power supplies! they will lose you money in your electrical bill every month, good brands pay for themselves over time I recommend http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341010very good budget supply http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/451/10
Solar panels dude, Solar panels.
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Ati x1900 xtx 512mb
AMD 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition
2gb ddr2 ram
ASUS M2N-SLI
I think i can run it on high... But i dunno
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On July 15 2009 08:19 Billly10 wrote:
Ati x1900 xtx 512mb
AMD 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition
2gb ddr2 ram
ASUS M2N-SLI
I think i can run it on high... But i dunno
Most likely you'll easily be able to get up into the medium settings and i see no reason why you shouldn't go higher.
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Is there some way to be able to chart out how much the maximum power you'll need? I am planning to build a system and honestly I am fairly clueless when it comes to hardware. What I have done thus far was pretty much to look at some system on a budget online and used that as a template, picking and comparing each component through newegg as much as I can.
What I have so far are the below -
EVGA 141-BL-E757-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX X58 SLI LE Intel Motherboard
(2x?) SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler
I will probably be working with around $1300 as a budget, forgoing crossfire until I have a need for it later on. I have yet to work in a sound card and optical drive and a proper tower in. The case is also in question.
Also, from reading, it seems like the i7 920 is a posterchild for overclocking, how much does that influence the case and cooling decision, as well as the choice of power supply?
Lastly, I don't think I am going to build this system rightaway, going to most likely wait until closer to the actual release of SC2/whatever other game that I can't play which catches my interest and updating the list (or not, pending how much disposable income I have) as needed. How viable is that kind of a rolling update of component on paper?
If anyone could offer any help, suggestions or ideas, it would be much appreciated.
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On July 14 2009 12:45 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2009 10:52 Sentenal wrote:
You guys think it would run on my computer? I'd probably have to run it on low settings on relatively low resolution (like 1024x768 or lower, maybe?)
Operating system:Windows XP
CPU type: Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.00GHz
RAM: 1GB
Graphics card model:NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT
Upgrading RAM is something I'd be able to do easily (I think, lol). I guess my main consern is although I've upgraded some parts on my machine over the years, its still around 5 years old. Well, if i were you i would definately upgrade the RAM because RAM is crazy cheap, and you've obviously got a PCI-E slot, so go with a 90-100 USD video card. $150 will probably stretch you out another couple years without games running too slowly, but a cpu upgrade is definately in order.
So you think I'd need to upgrade the CPU for SC2, or just for gaming in general?
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On July 15 2009 08:33 Ecael wrote:
Is there some way to be able to chart out how much the maximum power you'll need? I am planning to build a system and honestly I am fairly clueless when it comes to hardware. What I have done thus far was pretty much to look at some system on a budget online and used that as a template, picking and comparing each component through newegg as much as I can.
What I have so far are the below -
EVGA 141-BL-E757-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX X58 SLI LE Intel Motherboard
(2x?) SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler
I will probably be working with around $1300 as a budget, forgoing crossfire until I have a need for it later on. I have yet to work in a sound card and optical drive and a proper tower in. The case is also in question.
Also, from reading, it seems like the i7 920 is a posterchild for overclocking, how much does that influence the case and cooling decision, as well as the choice of power supply?
Lastly, I don't think I am going to build this system rightaway, going to most likely wait until closer to the actual release of SC2/whatever other game that I can't play which catches my interest and updating the list (or not, pending how much disposable income I have) as needed. How viable is that kind of a rolling update of component on paper?
If anyone could offer any help, suggestions or ideas, it would be much appreciated.
If your going to be building a high end pc with overclocking goals in mind, definitely make sure your case cools very well, I recommend an antec 900 or 1200 for what your planning.
The 1200 will give you more room and airflow, and with how much your spending already the extra ~$70 is a drop in the bucket.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043
Waiting to buy your parts until you need them is a very good idea, pc components drop in price quick, and new stuff comes in ~6 month intervals, if your current rig is working for you now, then waiting to upgrade would be the smart choice.
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I posted too much here without posting my specs, so here it goes.
AMD Phenom II x4 3.0ghz
4gb 1066 DRR2 Ram
GeForce 9600GT
Windows 7 RC
I can pretty much run COD4/5, Far cry 2, and any other game at max settings without any lag so I hope starcraft 2 can use my video card on highest settings as well, which I don't think will be more demanding than far cry or crysis.
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On July 15 2009 08:33 Ecael wrote:
Is there some way to be able to chart out how much the maximum power you'll need? I am planning to build a system and honestly I am fairly clueless when it comes to hardware. What I have done thus far was pretty much to look at some system on a budget online and used that as a template, picking and comparing each component through newegg as much as I can.
What I have so far are the below -
EVGA 141-BL-E757-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX X58 SLI LE Intel Motherboard
(2x?) SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler
I will probably be working with around $1300 as a budget, forgoing crossfire until I have a need for it later on. I have yet to work in a sound card and optical drive and a proper tower in. The case is also in question.
Also, from reading, it seems like the i7 920 is a posterchild for overclocking, how much does that influence the case and cooling decision, as well as the choice of power supply?
Lastly, I don't think I am going to build this system rightaway, going to most likely wait until closer to the actual release of SC2/whatever other game that I can't play which catches my interest and updating the list (or not, pending how much disposable income I have) as needed. How viable is that kind of a rolling update of component on paper?
If anyone could offer any help, suggestions or ideas, it would be much appreciated.
Use this to calculate how much power you need relatively:
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
From what I can tell from your build though your power supply should be fine, although you might want to bump it up to 850W if you plan to overclock.
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this, even when i rounded up a bit told me i need 322, and im at 400 like i said before. so i am going to upgrade my card and my power supply at once, give myself a little more. i was worried it was closer than that, i feel good now.
ty for the link.
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OS: Windows Xp Pro
Cpu: 2.4 Ghz single core
Mobo: O.o
Memory: 2gig of some random company
Graphics: GForce 4400 Ti
Hard Drives: 2x40 gig Maxtor (Why this mater lol)
PSU: Some randon thing that work with my Pc (See hard drive, why does this mater :D)
I will need a new PC but it will probably wait after I by my house T_T
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OS: Windows 7
CPU: Q6600 2.4GHz
MB: Gigabyte P35-DS3R
RAM: OCZ 4GB
VID: 9800GTX
Hoping for 1024x768 maxed out with around 4xAA. Or 1600x1200 0xAA. Also, specular and hdr and bloom turned off. Those shiny lighting effects are distracting and ugly IMO.
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On July 15 2009 21:01 Everywhere wrote:
OS: Windows 7
CPU: Q6600 2.4GHz
MB: Gigabyte P35-DS3R
RAM: OCZ 4GB
VID: 9800GTX
Hoping for 1024x768 maxed out with around 4xAA. Or 1600x1200 0xAA. Also, specular and hdr and bloom turned off. Those shiny lighting effects are distracting and ugly IMO.
Remember that the visual "improvement" with AA is higher than resolution. So 1024x768 with 4x AA > 1600x1200 0x AA
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On July 15 2009 23:09 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2009 21:01 Everywhere wrote:
OS: Windows 7
CPU: Q6600 2.4GHz
MB: Gigabyte P35-DS3R
RAM: OCZ 4GB
VID: 9800GTX
Hoping for 1024x768 maxed out with around 4xAA. Or 1600x1200 0xAA. Also, specular and hdr and bloom turned off. Those shiny lighting effects are distracting and ugly IMO.
Remember that the visual "improvement" with AA is higher than resolution. So 1024x768 with 4x AA > 1600x1200 0x AA
ive been wondering about this for quite some time, and it fits the topic (kinda). is AA really worth it? almost every game i play when i turn on AA it lags, without AA i can play every game on MAX settings (except crysis ofc)... only game i could really notice AA improving graphic is Oblivion... go to one of those oblivion gates and turn on AA - gates look GREAT! in every other game i didnt notice a difference worth of putting AA and playing with lower settings
another thing.... why can i play COD4 on max max settings with alot of FPS, but when i put even lowest AA its almost like a screenshot fest... i got 8800gt 256 and core 2 duo on 2,3 ghz
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Yes, the improvements gained from AA are definately quite a bit higher than at higher resolution (for example, i play F.E.A.R 2 at 1792x1344 resolution with 16xAA and it looks AMAZING, but 2560x1920 with no AA just doesn't look nearly as good. The reason AA lags your computer is because it makes the computer take subsequent rendering passes on each frame, so with simple 2x AA it is two edit passes, meaning 60 FPS turns into 30 FPS and etc. AA is generally the largest source of slowdown, although the noticeable improvement to image generally isn't worth the lagginess. I believe one of the manufacturers is working on making a specific cpu on one of their newer graphics card specifically for AA (like shader clock, it would be called "AA clock")
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On July 16 2009 02:18 ghermination wrote:
Yes, the improvements gained from AA are definately quite a bit higher than at higher resolution (for example, i play F.E.A.R 2 at 1792x1344 resolution with 16xAA and it looks AMAZING, but 2560x1920 with no AA just doesn't look nearly as good. The reason AA lags your computer is because it makes the computer take subsequent rendering passes on each frame, so with simple 2x AA it is two edit passes, meaning 60 FPS turns into 30 FPS and etc. AA is generally the largest source of slowdown, although the noticeable improvement to image generally isn't worth the lagginess. I believe one of the manufacturers is working on making a specific cpu on one of their newer graphics card specifically for AA (like shader clock, it would be called "AA clock")
Fala stari :D
thanks dude
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