EPTHe's a mirror matchup bonjwa though, no doubt about that~
Can we call Jaedong the 5th Bonjwa? - Page 3
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Ozarugold
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He's a mirror matchup bonjwa though, no doubt about that~ | ||
SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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lordmordor
United States209 Posts
People right now are just fanboying over his two OSL's and his good runs in proleague/winners league. Savior still dropped games in proleague so I won't count things like SkyHigh against Jaedong. But there are still players who, although you could argue Jaedong as a favorite, still have a VERY good shot at beating him (Flash, Fantasy, Bisu). If he wins another major league against good competition (no string of ZvZ's) and doesn't get outplayed to often (dropping a game here or there is ok considering the higher skill level of todays programmers) then I can see the argument being made but not right now, he still needs to prove he can maintain his dominance. right now he is certainly the closest thing we have to one right now though | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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onihunter
United States515 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 21 2009 12:13 Last Romantic wrote: How many times does this have to be reiterated? If there is a doubt, he is not bonjwa. Goddamnit. Not that I disagree with you, but with progamers as good as they are now and fan opinions as ravingly cemented as they have become, even if Jaedong went to beat Bisu Flash and Fantasy in the next 3 games he came up against them, people would just make excuses like "Flash is slumping, he's good enough to beat Jaedong, Jaedong isn't bonjwa," and you can replace Flash with anyone worth mentioning, honestly. Back in the days of Savior, savior was almost everyone's favorite player on top of being the top dog. Jaedong's pretty easily the best player around (top %, the only player with an instant win match up more or less, 2 OSL titles etc etc), but since he hasn't ALWAYS been overly dominant, he will never change the minds of people dedicated to other players now. And, for what it's worth, while Savior was on another level in his time, he still dropped plenty of games in his Bonjwa days. Nowadays you'd have to go 100% for 20 games against all S class opponents before anyone but that player's fans consider the word Bonjwa. It's different times, multiple people have the magic so it's easy not to recognize one, even if one is better. Short of 20 straight S class wins, the only way I would think anyone but Jaedong fans would say Bonjwa is if he won back to back OSLs like Boxer, otherwise it just isn't gonna happen. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
He just lost to fantasy. A bonjwa should look somewhat invincible and be a solid favorite against everyone. The competition is way too close to crown anyone a bonjwa when the top spoit is traded pretty much every month. People like savior and oov ruthlessly dominated everyone and they were unquestionably the best. Jaedong may be considered the best for now but the fact that his spot can be questioned automatically says that he is not a bonjwa. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 21 2009 13:37 TwoToneTerran wrote: Not that I disagree with you, but with progamers as good as they are now and fan opinions as ravingly cemented as they have become, even if Jaedong went to beat Bisu Flash and Fantasy in the next 3 games he came up against them, people would just make excuses like "Flash is slumping, he's good enough to beat Jaedong, Jaedong isn't bonjwa," and you can replace Flash with anyone worth mentioning, honestly. Thats because 3 games wouldn't make a dent on their career win-loss records against one another. A bonjwa, while potentially dropping games to his opponents, pretty much had a dominantly winning record whe compared to any opponent with which he had a significant number of games. At this point, its pretty much impossible for any given player to have a convincing winning record compared to all his opponents. They're all too close in skill. On April 21 2009 13:37 TwoToneTerran wrote: And, for what it's worth, while Savior was on another level in his time, he still dropped plenty of games in his Bonjwa days. Nowadays you'd have to go 100% for 20 games against all S class opponents before anyone but that player's fans consider the word Bonjwa. Its not about dropping games, its about losing far less than the guy who could be considered the next-best. Fact of the matter is, Jaedong doesn't win games significantly more often than Bisu or Flash. Even if he is doing better than them RIGHT NOW, he hasn't done consistently better for a long period of time. 100% for 20 games against S-class opponents is an exaggeration. He just needs to be winning games while his competitors aren't, and Jaedong isn't doing that. His record is just as pockmarked as any of the other bonjwas-to-be. On April 21 2009 13:37 TwoToneTerran wrote: It's different times, multiple people have the magic so it's easy not to recognize one, even if one is better. Short of 20 straight S class wins, the only way I would think anyone but Jaedong fans would say Bonjwa is if he won back to back OSLs like Boxer, otherwise it just isn't gonna happen. So coin a different term. Bonjwa means something specific. Its not just whatever the hell someone feels like making it mean to attach a title to their favorite progamer. | ||
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Gumbo
Canada807 Posts
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Railz
United States1449 Posts
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
Lets not keep discussing this, its a pretty annoying and tired topic by now. | ||
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