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Can we call Jaedong the 5th Bonjwa? - Page 2

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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7817 Posts
April 21 2009 03:07 GMT
#21
Why is it so hard for people to understand that no one is a bonjwa now?

Jaedong barely beat Bisu in his Bo5, is 2-2 with Flash in recent games, and played a close OSL final with Fantasy.

He's doing great, but I wouldn't say he's close to bonjwa with so many other great players out there.
samsammy
Profile Joined December 2005
United States76 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-21 03:10:32
April 21 2009 03:07 GMT
#22
On April 21 2009 11:58 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
The article makes such a retarded argument. Just because people can "beat" Jaedong so he can't be considered bonjwa? I love how he conveniently overlooks stuff like Chojja beating Savior in a MSL in the midst of his "bonjwa domination." He's trying to make it sound like JD needs 100% winrate against everyone or something. Stupid argument imo.


Savior was actually not considered a bonjwa at this time. People only recognized Savior as a Bonjwa AFTER savior beat Nada in OSL.

And yes, indeed his ZvsZ was his weak matchup, until he went to the MSL Finals again to disprove that, beating Silver. At the time nobody "seemed" like they could beat SAvior.
More anger plz-
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-21 03:16:57
April 21 2009 03:10 GMT
#23
On April 21 2009 12:05 integral wrote:
there are some ridiculous posts in this thread, there is obviously debate


Now this is a ridiculous post. Of course we can call Jaedong a bonjwa. Should we? I have already stated my opinion on that.

Edit:

On April 21 2009 11:45 Jyvblamo wrote:
No. No we can't. There is debate.


This post is even more ridiculous
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
April 21 2009 03:10 GMT
#24
On April 21 2009 11:50 pubbanana wrote:
NO!!!!!


if pubbanana says no

then no
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
economist_
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Vietnam719 Posts
April 21 2009 03:10 GMT
#25
I think JD is not going to win any more games vs Fantasy
Economics forecast assumes everything, except responsibilities
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-21 03:21:55
April 21 2009 03:10 GMT
#26
From the last "OMG NEW BONJWA HYPE THREAD:"
On February 09 2009 01:32 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
If you have to ask if he's bonjwa, he's not bonjwa.


Besides, Guemchi is bonjwa right now:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87957
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
April 21 2009 03:13 GMT
#27
How many times does this have to be reiterated?

If there is a doubt, he is not bonjwa. Goddamnit.

Closing this unless someone convinces me there is possibility of discussion in this thread.

These bonjwa threads are retarded. If someone becomes bonjwa, there will be no need for a thread declaring him as such. I don't remember sAviOr becoming bonjwa or iloveoov becoming bonjwa threads -_-
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
April 21 2009 03:13 GMT
#28
No, it's too early to tell. I don't want to rule out the possibility of a bonjwa (for anyone), but it still seems equally unlikely at this point as it did a few months ago.
Although, something that shocked me about sAviOr was the sheer amount of games he dropped. Though this is probably due to a lighter emphasize on proleague where Savior could rape scrubs, he was taken to the limit in many Bo5s but always prevailed for the most part.
Jaedong
uglymoose89
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States671 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-21 03:19:56
April 21 2009 03:19 GMT
#29
I agree that it is too early to call Jaedong a bonjwa yet. I would say give him another year before we decide. All the other bonjwa dominated for a long long time before they were dethroned and each of them got 3msl and atleast 1osl (except for boxer). And i thought bonjwa was given to a progamer who was able to win 3 msl and atleast 1 osl....

Someone correct me if i'm wrong.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
April 21 2009 03:30 GMT
#30

Even what was known to be Savior's weakest match up ZvsZ was proven wrong when Savior beat s.s.mSilver, the "gambler".
All in all, it can be said at the time, there was simply NO pro gamer out there who was able to beat Savior.


What? Because he beat an average zvzer?

wtf terrible reasoning
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
April 21 2009 03:39 GMT
#31
I see.

Savior was a bonjwa not only because of his amazing records, but because anyone who actually stood a chance against him... stood no chance against him.

Jaedong, however, still loses, not regularly, but he does, to bisu and flash, etc. Despite his amazing record, he can not be bonjwa yet.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Pawsom
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States928 Posts
April 21 2009 03:40 GMT
#32
On April 21 2009 12:13 Last Romantic wrote:
How many times does this have to be reiterated?

If there is a doubt, he is not bonjwa. Goddamnit.



Seriously this.

Think back to when the real bonjwa were in their prime. There was probably a 99.5% consensus on who the best player was at the time. And while many people would say jaedong now, its nothing likt it was with say, NaDa. And even if we do get that high rate of consensus, which maybe Bisu came close to or Jaedong is close to now, theres more to it. That player has to be a a level above everyone else. His games should be awe inspiring to the point that every game is unbelieable to watch.

If Jaedong became as dominant at his other matchups as his ZvZ, and held this position for a significant amount of time, then the possibility exists. But to say he is bonwja now, well thats just foolish.

P.S. Personally, I do not think another Bonjwa will arise before SC2. The game is too figured out(although people have said this for years) and the level of competition is too high.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
April 21 2009 03:41 GMT
#33
no
KnightOfNi
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1508 Posts
April 21 2009 03:44 GMT
#34
No.

Thats all I have to say to this thread, and all the other 1209381029487 threads that say that someone is the next bonjwa. (unless of course it is Upmagic or Leta or Horang2 or hyvaa or Really being called a bonjwa (man that would be the day))...
RIP eSTRO :(
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
April 21 2009 03:45 GMT
#35
JD is very close

i would love to see another Zerg Bonjwa

go JaeDong!
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
April 21 2009 03:49 GMT
#36
Others have said it better than I can. No he is not.
hooktits
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States972 Posts
April 21 2009 03:55 GMT
#37
he is not yet but he will be thats for sure
Hooktits of Tits gaming @hooktits twit
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
April 21 2009 03:56 GMT
#38
Bonjwa? meh does it really matter that much?
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-21 04:01:07
April 21 2009 03:59 GMT
#39
I don't really understand the replies in this thread. The OP is a translation of an article on ygosu.com, not a personal explanation about the subject. Probably should have been designated a little more cleanly, but the discussion of whether JD is or is not a bonjwa should not be forefront in comparison to thanking someone for a translation of an article written on a fairly popular korean SC site.

Thanks for the translation!

Edit: btw, for those mentioning it: Winning x MSLs, then losing one then winning an OSL has nothing to do with the term Bonjwa. Was merely an aspect all of the players had gone through that was mentioned by the writer of that thread; he even stated that fact in his thread to avoid confusion. The Bonjwa title does not correspond in any fashion to that progression.
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
April 21 2009 04:01 GMT
#40
This is ridiculous. I thought it was already stated that (Z)sAviOr was the (T)Last bonjwa and forever always be.
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