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I heard that koreans fans gone crazy after Bisu winning the GCL, the fans are arguing now about that is Bisu the 5th Bonjwa or not. Cobet, the admin of replays.net gave me some database of Bonjwas and Bisu, I put it to excel file and it looks like this:
I think the only thing what Bisu miss is one OSL champion, but the recent GCL was also very unique, it's very hard to say =/
So I wanna hear you guys that what you think about this? Bisu for Next Bonjwa?
Poll: Is Bisu Bonjwa? (Vote): Yes, the first protoss bonjwa! (Vote): No way
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Best protoss ever for sure, but I would wait with bonjwa status till he wins the OSL.
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Just 5 more months at KeSPA No1 and an OSL title and he's got it.
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If you have to ask if he's bonjwa, he's not bonjwa.
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Bisu would need to win the OSL and place high in the next MSL while preforming in dominant fashion for me to even consider him. Bonjwa implies THE dominant player. No way Bisu is the dominant force in SC
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As a Bisu fan, I must vote No. If he wins Batoo OSL (which I dearly hope he does, and I actually expect him to), then I will reconsider.
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how can he be a bonjwa w/o winning an OSL?
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On February 08 2009 02:12 Hot_Bid wrote: if theres a legitimate debate about a player being a bonjwa or not (re: the bisu debate) that player is probably not a bonjwa. you don't see many people arguing whether nada, iloveoov, or savior were bonjwas in their time. i doubt people will look back at this time period and say "bisu was bonjwa" even if he wins this OSL, because you just don't drop out at the Ro32 in your "best" mu if you're the dominant player.
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Even Bisu himself is saying no way
This is from the interview: - You still aren't hearing the name "Bonjwa", how do you feel? ▲ I was asked this before. Honestly, I don't really want to hear it. When I saw bonjwas in my eyes, they all rised to the top, and toppled down to the abyss. I don't want to be a bonjwa, rather I want to be that guy who was good and didn't fall into the abyss.
If the guy himself doesn't want the title, than you should not give it to him.
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On February 09 2009 01:34 lokiM wrote: how can he be a bonjwa w/o winning an OSL?
remember savior ?
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On February 09 2009 01:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2009 02:12 Hot_Bid wrote: if theres a legitimate debate about a player being a bonjwa or not (re: the bisu debate) that player is probably not a bonjwa. you don't see many people arguing whether nada, iloveoov, or savior were bonjwas in their time. i doubt people will look back at this time period and say "bisu was bonjwa" even if he wins this OSL, because you just don't drop out at the Ro32 in your "best" mu if you're the dominant player.
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First, this debate shouldnt even happen until he gets an OSL win. You cant be a bonjwa by ignoring the most prestigious tournament in Korea.
Then its a serious discussion.
Also: + Show Spoiler [GOM Classic Season 2] + Winning the upcoming "Best of GOM" Bo5 vs Jaedong for 10,000,000 won would help a lot, because his losing record vs both Flash and Jaedong makes him a tough candidate as the unquestioned best in Korea.
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On February 09 2009 01:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2009 01:34 lokiM wrote: how can he be a bonjwa w/o winning an OSL? remember savior ? He did win an OSL. 
Still I don't think bonjwaness shouldn't be measured (so much) in titles but rather just the amount of domination you do, like iloveoovs 70/70/80 winning percentages and 27-0 tvz. Being bonjwa to me means someone who is unbeatable for quite a while, Bisu still has very good contenders like JD/Flash who have big chances of taking games or even series from him.
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some random poll won't make him bonjwa
sorry
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Not yet, he's playing like one now though.
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On February 09 2009 01:38 Atrioc wrote: Winning the upcoming "Best of GOM" Bo5 vs Jaedong for 10,000,000 won would help a lot, because his losing record vs both Flash and Jaedong makes him a tough candidate as the unquestioned best in Korea. Too bad JD will catch Bisu in his weakest MU now and buttfuck him for 10 000 000 won thus burying this bonjwa talk. Shit and I wanted a toss bonjwa...
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On February 09 2009 01:39 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2009 01:35 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 09 2009 01:34 lokiM wrote: how can he be a bonjwa w/o winning an OSL? remember savior ? He did win an OSL.  Still I don't think bonjwaness shouldn't be measured (so much) in titles but rather just the amount of domination you do, like iloveoovs 70/70/80 winning percentages and 27-0 tvz. Being bonjwa to me means someone who is unbeatable for quite a while, Bisu still has very good contenders like JD/Flash who have big chances of taking games or even series from him.
uh ? i know, but he was seen as the sc villain way before winning his first OSL
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