EPTYou try to back your argument with no credibility. "Talent doesn't exist in starcraft only mass practice". You do not have the right to make that statement, simply because you haven't proved it yourself. If it were true all of media would be the best non-koreans, because you guys play more than anyone. But again and again you guys get owned by people with more talent who play a lot less than you do.
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
You try to back your argument with no credibility. "Talent doesn't exist in starcraft only mass practice". You do not have the right to make that statement, simply because you haven't proved it yourself. If it were true all of media would be the best non-koreans, because you guys play more than anyone. But again and again you guys get owned by people with more talent who play a lot less than you do. | ||
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I_are_n00b
196 Posts
That being said, it is also dumb to assume that Korea somehow has more talent than the rest of the world. Yes, more people are exposed to the game so they have a large pool of players to pick talent out of, but something's wrong with our system/right with theirs. Instead of bitching and moaning, as a community we should try and figure out how we can expose the most players to the most effective practice/learning/analyzing system. Until the environments are balanced, how the hell will we know who has talent, etc...? | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
But seriously, unless anyone is willing to put actual $ where their mouth is concerning korea, they shouldn't even attempt to go. | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
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InRaged
1047 Posts
On October 14 2007 01:20 MaTRiX[SiN] wrote: skew and idra you are making ridiculously retarded arguments, I cant believe you even believe this bullshit yourselfs... people arent born with innate abilities? pro teams could just as well pick a random guy off the street to be a progamer? just stop, seriously. wow, keep it for yourself, ok? For me, you statement sound so ridiculously I can replace your rhetorical question "people arent born with innate abilities" with "god doesn't exist" and level of ridiculousness won't change. If you think you can prove your claim that some karma or family-tree or genes decide who'll get success and who'll eat dirt you're deeply mistaken. And so long don't even dare to call one's believes bullshit. | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
On October 14 2007 01:45 I_are_n00b wrote: Instead of bitching and moaning, as a community we should try and figure out how we can expose the most players to the most effective practice/learning/analyzing system. Until the environments are balanced, how the hell will we know who has talent, etc...? This is actually a great point. What if, instead of all of this bitterness and egotistical hot air, all of the magical talent old-schoolers and all of the hard-working new schoolers put their brains behind helping whoever DOES go to Korea? What if the grungy geniuses who gave up because they were too cool to care lent some strategical analysis, and the hard workers did research, testing out strategies and ideas amongst each other, such that a whole community of foreigners are helping practice for every match? Obviously this will never happen, but I do quite like the idea that, if taken advantage of, the foreigner community collectively might have some teeth to bear. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
I have an offbeat question. Has there ever been a black guy who was even B+ or so? He'd be a real marketting hit imo. | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
On October 14 2007 02:02 SuperJongMan wrote: Since we are talking about foreigners and the topic is really uninteresting to me... I have an offbeat question. Has there ever been a black guy who was even B+ or so? He'd be a real marketting hit imo.  | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On October 14 2007 02:02 SuperJongMan wrote: Since we are talking about foreigners and the topic is really uninteresting to me... I have an offbeat question. Has there ever been a black guy who was even B+ or so? He'd be a real marketting hit imo. Blackman. + Show Spoiler + -_-; | ||
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I_are_n00b
196 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On October 14 2007 02:08 I_are_n00b wrote: Hovz -_-d wtf? | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
??? I was genuinely curious. Imagine all the pissed off Koreans when a black dude wins a Starleague. I would kill to be there. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On October 14 2007 02:12 SuperJongMan wrote: ??? I was genuinely curious. Imagine all the pissed off Koreans when a black dude wins a Starleague. I would kill to be there. haha, the odds of a black guy winning a starleague are just as high as a white guy winning one right now.. | ||
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LaMoj
Trinidad/Tobago88 Posts
 . When I win WCG Trinidad next year, i'll hopefully do to pick off one game from someone; then head straight to korea. I myself have progaming dreams beilieve it or not. But falta skill. kekeke My kouros[shield] low apm terran would own korea up  Edit: If i do win WCG Trinidad would i be the first black guy in broodwar finals ? | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
It didn't bother me enough to articulate any of that though, so treat my statements with the utmost mildness (I don't care about any of this at all). | ||
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pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32281 Posts
On October 14 2007 02:24 pubbanana wrote: So, guys, I heard Koreans are good at StarCraft. lol | ||
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MaGnIfIcA
Norway2312 Posts
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
Say you want to be the best DotA player in the world. Everyone can be insanely good at DotA, it takes maybe 2 years of practicing the basics to the point of memorization and abusing imbalances in the game to be in your favor. The problem is, you can't ever be the "best". Guess what, do you really think Michael Jordan is the -BEST- athlete ever? He might be the best during his time period, against the people he was competing with, in the eyes of his peers. But why is Einstein sooooo smart, why is Ronaldinho soooo good? They fine tuned their skills (whatever you want to call them, "talents, abilities") to the point that they had an advantage over their peers. Would Maradona or Pele embarass Ronaldinho today? We won't know that. Would Testie be the next Boxer if he was pro-training in Korea at the same time as Boxer? We won't know that either. It's all a bunch of meaningless argument - anyone can be good, being the "best" is just being able to be better than your peers at the time. | ||
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Obi-1.Kulinobi
Czech Republic162 Posts
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