• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:51
CEST 18:51
KST 01:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview4[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week 89 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker [ASL21] Semifinals B [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1486 users

Foreigners Suck #3 - Page 13

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 Next All
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 13 2007 20:29 GMT
#241
On October 14 2007 04:50 French wrote:
words


Who are you
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
French
Profile Joined May 2007
Afghanistan18 Posts
October 13 2007 20:37 GMT
#242
Steven was directed to Smuft.

Not you.

And i'm french.
ForAdun
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany986 Posts
October 13 2007 20:42 GMT
#243
On October 14 2007 04:50 French wrote:
OKAY

I'll just post here because Steven posted. And it made me laugh, because on msn he just pretends this site doesn't exist while he actually reads it.

Most of you ppl here, but very very very very few, don't have any fucking clue what pro gaming truely is.

I often read up this site, because I can find links to vods. And I often come across some of the most retarded comments about starcraft there can be. Some can be legendary actually.

It's truely entertaining. And I myself think that rekrul started this thread to have some fun.

You need potential and talent to be at the top. Talent increases and develops its potential with practice. But if you knew shit about pro gaming in korea, if you'd have been there, seen it with your own eyes, lived in and from it, you'd knew that your so called "insane practice" is very natural to talented players and nothing really special they keep bringing up and braging about.

When I see some of you talking about pro gamer's perfomances in leagues and judging their skills makes me very much laugh. Do you actually have any idea of how hard and fucked up it can be to go through the prelimns ?

Have you ever once in your life, every witnessed a starcraft lan with pro gamers other than the shitty wcg ? That would blow you. Because before you get there, and actually see it, there is no way to actually "imagine" it.

You have to know as well, the koreans see the game and its dephts in a very different way than foreigners do. Korean players don't think and argue and debate the game as much we do. Furthermore, they don't communicate alot between each others and keep jealously replays away from sights.

The standards you use to debate and understand progaming are foreign standards. Unexperienced standards, leading you to wrong assumptions.

What rekrul said is 750% true.

The only two players that ever had any good shot at pro gaming were grrrr and elky. Elky having a difference with grrrr as he never got any special treatment or wildcard to any league.

All others that have gone korea failed. Including me, prolly the worst one^^. But, I was very young and I didn't give a shit. I mostly played diablo 2 as any form of practice for tournaments.

Now someone said somewhere "smuft" sucked. To that person, and his friends, if he has some, as I was very close to Steven when he was in Korea with elky, and helped him out, I can assure you that ammongst all the foreigners that ever gone to korea, this kid had the most potential. He was the one who could go top 5 gamei at its golden age in 3 days after reset. He was the one to destroy top korean zergs while eating or drinking something, going 4 packs of DTs against pure hydralisks. As for some facts, plz know that archoncap (nal'ra) basically started to get famous after copying smuft's pvz strats and high scoring gamebug / gamei, and that it was even posted on korean boards that Nal'ra was a fucking poser of smuft.

Most of you are newcomers, and rekrul is right when he says this lineup is filled by 3rd class newbies of the old days. This is not a flame, that's a fucking fact. Only a very young and unknown player that would show up would have any actual chance to do something in korea. If you've been "trying" since all this time, and didn't succeed, that basically mean you suck.

Please also, refrain from commenting grrrr... as he is and will remain, with boxer, oov, nada, (prolly on top of them) the best player of all times. Grrrr... was a phenomenum, and would still be if he didnt give up starcraft already in 2000. You people have no fucking clue who Guillaume was. Nobody ever played like him.

None of you on this site, and outside korea, but a very few, have any fucking skill to tell what "talent" is in this game.

At last, if you think that misregarded and crappy tournament WCG is, constitutes any form of proof for someone's potenatial to do good in korea, then you should forget about commentating starcraft.



There is medicine to cure you. Ask some doctor.
pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
October 13 2007 20:43 GMT
#244
Guys, he really did go to Korea. His ID was FrenChBOy and he played in one (or two? I don't remember) of the Game-Q leagues.

I don't think he did anything after that, though.
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
French
Profile Joined May 2007
Afghanistan18 Posts
October 13 2007 20:44 GMT
#245
The "i'm a clueless newbie" pills many already took ?
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 13 2007 20:45 GMT
#246
On October 14 2007 05:37 French wrote:
Steven was directed to Smuft.

Not you.

And i'm french.


I know who you were talking about, don't come in here guns blazing and refuse to name yourself.

If you figure anyone should give a fuck about what you have to say you'd better give a reason, with a post like that
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
French
Profile Joined May 2007
Afghanistan18 Posts
October 13 2007 20:45 GMT
#247
On October 14 2007 05:43 pubbanana wrote:
Guys, he really did go to Korea. His ID was FrenChBOy and he played in one (or two? I don't remember) of the Game-Q leagues.

I don't think he did anything after that, though.


I did, I roamed nightclubs for rich ladies.
French
Profile Joined May 2007
Afghanistan18 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 20:47:59
October 13 2007 20:47 GMT
#248
On October 14 2007 05:45 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:

I know who you were talking about, don't come in here guns blazing and refuse to name yourself.

If you figure anyone should give a fuck about what you have to say you'd better give a reason, with a post like that


I just wanted to skip the "I am this dude, done that" part. Like the guns blazing part tho.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 13 2007 20:47 GMT
#249
ok that makes sense
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Edguy
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden36 Posts
October 13 2007 20:49 GMT
#250
If "talent" doesent exist then why the the fuck did Donald Thomas win the mens high jump after only competing for 2 years versus people that have been practicing all their lives? Why is it that people that get to play in NHL/NFL/NBA teams at very young ages are better then guuys that have been playing/practicing the sport of choice in 20 years? The old guys have been slacking for 20 years?

Arguing that talent does not exist is the single most retarded shit i have ever heard!
Morzas
Profile Joined August 2005
United States387 Posts
October 13 2007 20:50 GMT
#251
On October 13 2007 22:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
rek prolly has more talent than pretty much everyone on that list.


Then why's he sitting here bitching instead of proving it?
What has four wheels and flies? Stephen Hawking on LSD!
saranghaeCY-
Profile Joined October 2007
United States446 Posts
October 13 2007 20:50 GMT
#252
On October 14 2007 05:42 ForAdun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2007 04:50 French wrote:
OKAY

I'll just post here because Steven posted. And it made me laugh, because on msn he just pretends this site doesn't exist while he actually reads it.

Most of you ppl here, but very very very very few, don't have any fucking clue what pro gaming truely is.

I often read up this site, because I can find links to vods. And I often come across some of the most retarded comments about starcraft there can be. Some can be legendary actually.

It's truely entertaining. And I myself think that rekrul started this thread to have some fun.

You need potential and talent to be at the top. Talent increases and develops its potential with practice. But if you knew shit about pro gaming in korea, if you'd have been there, seen it with your own eyes, lived in and from it, you'd knew that your so called "insane practice" is very natural to talented players and nothing really special they keep bringing up and braging about.

When I see some of you talking about pro gamer's perfomances in leagues and judging their skills makes me very much laugh. Do you actually have any idea of how hard and fucked up it can be to go through the prelimns ?

Have you ever once in your life, every witnessed a starcraft lan with pro gamers other than the shitty wcg ? That would blow you. Because before you get there, and actually see it, there is no way to actually "imagine" it.

You have to know as well, the koreans see the game and its dephts in a very different way than foreigners do. Korean players don't think and argue and debate the game as much we do. Furthermore, they don't communicate alot between each others and keep jealously replays away from sights.

The standards you use to debate and understand progaming are foreign standards. Unexperienced standards, leading you to wrong assumptions.

What rekrul said is 750% true.

The only two players that ever had any good shot at pro gaming were grrrr and elky. Elky having a difference with grrrr as he never got any special treatment or wildcard to any league.

All others that have gone korea failed. Including me, prolly the worst one^^. But, I was very young and I didn't give a shit. I mostly played diablo 2 as any form of practice for tournaments.

Now someone said somewhere "smuft" sucked. To that person, and his friends, if he has some, as I was very close to Steven when he was in Korea with elky, and helped him out, I can assure you that ammongst all the foreigners that ever gone to korea, this kid had the most potential. He was the one who could go top 5 gamei at its golden age in 3 days after reset. He was the one to destroy top korean zergs while eating or drinking something, going 4 packs of DTs against pure hydralisks. As for some facts, plz know that archoncap (nal'ra) basically started to get famous after copying smuft's pvz strats and high scoring gamebug / gamei, and that it was even posted on korean boards that Nal'ra was a fucking poser of smuft.

Most of you are newcomers, and rekrul is right when he says this lineup is filled by 3rd class newbies of the old days. This is not a flame, that's a fucking fact. Only a very young and unknown player that would show up would have any actual chance to do something in korea. If you've been "trying" since all this time, and didn't succeed, that basically mean you suck.

Please also, refrain from commenting grrrr... as he is and will remain, with boxer, oov, nada, (prolly on top of them) the best player of all times. Grrrr... was a phenomenum, and would still be if he didnt give up starcraft already in 2000. You people have no fucking clue who Guillaume was. Nobody ever played like him.

None of you on this site, and outside korea, but a very few, have any fucking skill to tell what "talent" is in this game.

At last, if you think that misregarded and crappy tournament WCG is, constitutes any form of proof for someone's potenatial to do good in korea, then you should forget about commentating starcraft.



There is medicine to cure you. Ask some doctor.
~
French
Profile Joined May 2007
Afghanistan18 Posts
October 13 2007 20:52 GMT
#253
On October 14 2007 05:50 exo6yte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2007 22:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
rek prolly has more talent than pretty much everyone on that list.


Then why's he sitting here bitching instead of proving it?


Poker is the answer you were looking for.
Kassios
Profile Joined May 2006
France1424 Posts
October 13 2007 20:56 GMT
#254
On October 14 2007 05:49 Edguy wrote:
If "talent" doesent exist then why the the fuck did Donald Thomas win the mens high jump after only competing for 2 years versus people that have been practicing all their lives? Why is it that people that get to play in NHL/NFL/NBA teams at very young ages are better then guuys that have been playing/practicing the sport of choice in 20 years? The old guys have been slacking for 20 years?

Arguing that talent does not exist is the single most retarded shit i have ever heard!


they spoke about a game named starcraft
- Death is certain, life is not -
TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 21:14:56
October 13 2007 21:04 GMT
#255
Whatever happens, at the end of the day, who ever wins this tournement is going to go to Korea and have a huge reality check.

I don't think many of us can really argue against Rek when he's been to Korea, sat in the practice rooms and played in the prelim tournies. We watch reps, we watch vods, some of us are know/skilled enough to get games from top koreans. But at the end of the day, go play in a tourney against people who have been hardcore practicing for 14 hours a day, everyday and have the pressure on them not to fail; only then can you really gain a true understanding of what seperates us from the f3aReD koReaNz.
AKAs FreeloSS @USwest Freel0ss @Europe
TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
October 13 2007 21:06 GMT
#256
On October 14 2007 02:44 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2007 02:24 pubbanana wrote:
So, guys, I heard Koreans are good at StarCraft.


lol


A korean beat me once. I was like "no rush 20 mins" and he did these wierd meneuvers with his zealots that resaulted in me beind dead and him not losing a single zealot.
AKAs FreeloSS @USwest Freel0ss @Europe
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 21:15:37
October 13 2007 21:10 GMT
#257
as i see it the dispute is this, whether the gap between koreans and nonkoreans is due to talent or environment. the two empirical claims of consequence, assuming talent exists and matters at the top level, are the talent level of koreans, and teh talent level of nonkoreans. and for this discussion, the talent level of nonkoreans is the main point of contention.

at this point then, it is not a disagreement over general principles, but claims about talent level of specific individuals. i do not see the point of examining these claims by way of contending general principles of talent/training/game evolution.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
October 13 2007 21:14 GMT
#258
On October 13 2007 11:11 yubee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2007 11:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh shut the hell up physician
hahahaha


omfg, lmao i totally skimmed that post and then I read what steve wrote and realized that it was him and LMAO
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
TeRRan`UseR
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada692 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 21:22:17
October 13 2007 21:19 GMT
#259
I think environment has a huge influence; our societies are too different. A non-korean starcraft player is dedicating himself to something that isn't socially excepted and lives with the destractions and negative influences (negaitve meaning; influences that aren't positive/starcraft) and have much more to fall back on interms of career/lifestyle/etc. In Korea, one actually chooses to make Starcraft their LIFE, their career. A korean starcraft player can put the same ammount of passion into getting good at starcraft as someone in north american society would to succeed in school and college/university. I think, no matter how passionate you are (as a north american) about starcraft, our environment can't sustain that passion, and therefore will never have the same ambition to succeed and be that good.

I think we all need to read Boxer's blog again. The ammount of desire, ambition and passion he had to succeed as a Starcraft progamer is almost uncomprehendable; well for me atleast.
AKAs FreeloSS @USwest Freel0ss @Europe
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9109 Posts
October 13 2007 21:32 GMT
#260
Rekrul, ever heard the phrase ignorance is bliss?

It'd be much nicer/reasonable for you to stay out of other people's business (like Artosis). I don't think he did anything that was especially BM that called for this. So unless you just like being a downer towards other people and have people be like "LOLZ rekrul pwnzered him" there's no positive value to doing this especially when you pick on a seemingly undeserving target.
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
IPSL
16:00
Ro16 Group B
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
Airneanach56
Liquipedia
Showmatch
15:00
Shopify Rebellion Sunday
Scarlett vs NicoractLIVE!
Reynor vs ByuN
Harstem368
LamboSC2227
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 461
Harstem 374
LamboSC2 228
Railgan 116
elazer 97
BRAT_OK 41
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 6226
firebathero 178
Movie 111
ToSsGirL 94
Dewaltoss 91
Sea.KH 75
Hyun 63
Aegong 44
Rock 27
yabsab 16
[ Show more ]
IntoTheRainbow 14
Shine 11
EG.Machine 9
Dota 2
Gorgc7671
qojqva1494
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps1925
Heroes of the Storm
MindelVK11
Other Games
Grubby24048
singsing2536
Liquid`RaSZi1490
Beastyqt1048
FrodaN769
ceh9748
B2W.Neo734
KnowMe327
Hui .240
QueenE188
crisheroes147
monkeys_forever121
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 103
• Reevou 2
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 28
• blackmanpl 16
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota295
League of Legends
• Nemesis2547
Other Games
• WagamamaTV228
• Shiphtur212
Upcoming Events
BSL
2h 9m
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
OSC
7h 9m
Replay Cast
16h 9m
Monday Night Weeklies
23h 9m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
The PondCast
1d 17h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 18h
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
GSL
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs SHIN
Rogue vs Bunny
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.