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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
October 13 2007 18:29 GMT
#221
On October 14 2007 02:56 MaGnIfIcA wrote:
Id acctually install bw again, just to watch reps of Idra vs Strafe. Grudge fight ftw!

well you'll have to wait for that since he disappeared as soon as i said id play
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Nal_CrayOn
Profile Joined December 2004
600 Posts
October 13 2007 18:33 GMT
#222
Assem totally ruined these huge ego media people. Don't deny it.

In fact, I played EVERYONE on that lists, but compare to Koreans i played who aren't even top 100,000 in Korea, they are much better than these kids. I seriously fucking laughed when artosis mentioned himself that he is a "mannered" person. What the fuk? You are a seriously fucking awful person when you lose the games. You cant even take the loses from this computer game and whine about the inbalanced maps or cheese shit. That's enough about you already. Be a nice person in real life as usually and act fucking retard on internet when u play computer game.

Honestly I hope either skew or artosis can fucking make it to Korea. I have funny reason for that

p.s. Did assem really pick these players by these media's word? just lol~

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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
October 13 2007 18:37 GMT
#223
its good to kinda... read the thread(or at least the first post) before posting
assem didnt pick anyone, puertorican did.
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Nal_CrayOn
Profile Joined December 2004
600 Posts
October 13 2007 18:37 GMT
#224
On October 13 2007 22:42 IdrA wrote:

talent is just some ideal all the oldschool players, who were good when no one knew how to play, want to hold on to so they can feel superior to new players.


lol..........just LOL man
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Nal_CrayOn
Profile Joined December 2004
600 Posts
October 13 2007 18:39 GMT
#225
On October 14 2007 03:37 Nal_CrayOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2007 22:42 IdrA wrote:

talent is just some ideal all the oldschool players, who were good when no one knew how to play, want to hold on to so they can feel superior to new players.


lol..........just LOL man


On October 14 2007 03:37 IdrA wrote:
its good to kinda... read the thread(or at least the first post) before posting
assem didnt pick anyone, puertorican did.


i read all, only rek mentioned once about purto. He prob picked by media's word anyway. chickens
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
October 13 2007 18:42 GMT
#226
k well its nice to make assumptions when you have no clue what you're talking about and stuff..

assem wasnt involved in it at all. puertorican is running the tournament, you'll notice he made the newspost and whatnot.
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
October 13 2007 18:44 GMT
#227
On October 13 2007 11:21 Months wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2007 11:11 yubee wrote:
On October 13 2007 11:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh shut the hell up physician
hahahaha

ROFL

LMFAO
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Nal_CrayOn
Profile Joined December 2004
600 Posts
October 13 2007 18:46 GMT
#228
I can ask people around on forum if i want.

just STOP trying to defence every word on to assem. I wasn't harassing any to ur god on sc, was asking if he fucking picked these players or not. And from i see the fucking player lists, u people are OBVIOUSLY involved in this. Dont even act u are not. "themachine"?
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 18:59:09
October 13 2007 18:58 GMT
#229
On October 14 2007 02:56 MaGnIfIcA wrote:
Id acctually install bw again, just to watch reps of Idra vs Strafe. Grudge fight ftw!

2nd'ed

edit: except my bw is already installed
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Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 19:21:39
October 13 2007 19:16 GMT
#230
On October 14 2007 00:43 LaMoj wrote:
What about SunCow. Why didnt he "make it" ? Was it bcuz of lack of "talent," or a horrible attitude. I thought that he was actually good in all 3 matchups. And by his apm charts i would say that he had good dexterity.

suncow sucked a lot, he wasnt even close to any of the top notch foreigners when he went to korea. he was really horrible.
in zvst got trashed by random korean terrans, zvsz nowhere near korean skill, not sure about zvsp but probably as sucky as his zvst.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
October 13 2007 19:25 GMT
#231
On October 14 2007 03:46 Nal_CrayOn wrote:
I can ask people around on forum if i want.

just STOP trying to defence every word on to assem. I wasn't harassing any to ur god on sc, was asking if he fucking picked these players or not. And from i see the fucking player lists, u people are OBVIOUSLY involved in this. Dont even act u are not. "themachine"?

what the fuck are you talking about
just because media players are in it assem must have picked us?
what north american players deserve to be in instead of us?
puerto didnt invite oldy because he admitted to hacking, testie had a spot but turned it down since hes gonna be in china and already has the cj invite. tt1 refuses to play anything anymore since he 'quit europe'. who else would you rather have in?
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SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
October 13 2007 19:30 GMT
#232
Clan X17 is better i think
saranghaeCY-
Profile Joined October 2007
United States446 Posts
October 13 2007 19:35 GMT
#233
On October 14 2007 04:30 CultureMisfits wrote:
Clan X17 is better i think


/endsarcasm?
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mAKiTO
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Colombia4177 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 19:40:44
October 13 2007 19:38 GMT
#234
Well put it this way, a non talented player will practice 12 hours a day and reach a level.
A talented player will only practice 6 hours and reach that same level.

I agree 100% with Hot-Bid

anyways,

The tournament is a good opportunity for a great experience. Good luck to everyone participating.
No quiero soñar mil veces las mismas cosas
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 13 2007 19:46 GMT
#235
To be honest, I think the list of players is alright, because anyone else who is better / deserves a spot either doesn't want it, or isn't playing anymore.

For example, I think Raptor and Bandit would be great choices, but theyre both really ianctive atm, and as far as USA players go, Chosen could have been a nice pick for example isntead of Nesh / Evade or something since I don't even think they've played at all since WCG, and Chosen is really really active and improving right now.

Other than that, I think the player list is pretty good...

Different topic, I'd love to see Strafe vs Idra . hope Strafe doesn't bitch out now that Idra actually accepted it.
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French
Profile Joined May 2007
Afghanistan18 Posts
October 13 2007 19:50 GMT
#236
OKAY

I'll just post here because Steven posted. And it made me laugh, because on msn he just pretends this site doesn't exist while he actually reads it.

Most of you ppl here, but very very very very few, don't have any fucking clue what pro gaming truely is.

I often read up this site, because I can find links to vods. And I often come across some of the most retarded comments about starcraft there can be. Some can be legendary actually.

It's truely entertaining. And I myself think that rekrul started this thread to have some fun.

You need potential and talent to be at the top. Talent increases and develops its potential with practice. But if you knew shit about pro gaming in korea, if you'd have been there, seen it with your own eyes, lived in and from it, you'd knew that your so called "insane practice" is very natural to talented players and nothing really special they keep bringing up and braging about.

When I see some of you talking about pro gamer's perfomances in leagues and judging their skills makes me very much laugh. Do you actually have any idea of how hard and fucked up it can be to go through the prelimns ?

Have you ever once in your life, every witnessed a starcraft lan with pro gamers other than the shitty wcg ? That would blow you. Because before you get there, and actually see it, there is no way to actually "imagine" it.

You have to know as well, the koreans see the game and its dephts in a very different way than foreigners do. Korean players don't think and argue and debate the game as much we do. Furthermore, they don't communicate alot between each others and keep jealously replays away from sights.

The standards you use to debate and understand progaming are foreign standards. Unexperienced standards, leading you to wrong assumptions.

What rekrul said is 750% true.

The only two players that ever had any good shot at pro gaming were grrrr and elky. Elky having a difference with grrrr as he never got any special treatment or wildcard to any league.

All others that have gone korea failed. Including me, prolly the worst one^^. But, I was very young and I didn't give a shit. I mostly played diablo 2 as any form of practice for tournaments.

Now someone said somewhere "smuft" sucked. To that person, and his friends, if he has some, as I was very close to Steven when he was in Korea with elky, and helped him out, I can assure you that ammongst all the foreigners that ever gone to korea, this kid had the most potential. He was the one who could go top 5 gamei at its golden age in 3 days after reset. He was the one to destroy top korean zergs while eating or drinking something, going 4 packs of DTs against pure hydralisks. As for some facts, plz know that archoncap (nal'ra) basically started to get famous after copying smuft's pvz strats and high scoring gamebug / gamei, and that it was even posted on korean boards that Nal'ra was a fucking poser of smuft.

Most of you are newcomers, and rekrul is right when he says this lineup is filled by 3rd class newbies of the old days. This is not a flame, that's a fucking fact. Only a very young and unknown player that would show up would have any actual chance to do something in korea. If you've been "trying" since all this time, and didn't succeed, that basically mean you suck.

Please also, refrain from commenting grrrr... as he is and will remain, with boxer, oov, nada, (prolly on top of them) the best player of all times. Grrrr... was a phenomenum, and would still be if he didnt give up starcraft already in 2000. You people have no fucking clue who Guillaume was. Nobody ever played like him.

None of you on this site, and outside korea, but a very few, have any fucking skill to tell what "talent" is in this game.

At last, if you think that misregarded and crappy tournament WCG is, constitutes any form of proof for someone's potenatial to do good in korea, then you should forget about commentating starcraft.

Kassios
Profile Joined May 2006
France1424 Posts
October 13 2007 19:52 GMT
#237
I still didnt see inc posting here?
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rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 20:03:35
October 13 2007 20:03 GMT
#238
and come on, lets face it... none of these guys are gonna get good practicing with estro players

ELIZA FTW!!!!
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-13 20:25:41
October 13 2007 20:19 GMT
#239
On October 13 2007 22:42 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2007 19:49 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On October 13 2007 19:44 Skew wrote:
"Talent" doesn't exist. How you learn or how good you use what you know is all based on past experience. Unless of course you're 100IQ and the other person is 200IQ, which still isn't talent. Talent is that magical word we all like to use to make ourselves or someone else feel good, but that doesn't make it real. Sorry. Anyone in that list could become an amazing player if they were on a professional team for long enough.

When you mention how Artosis and others don't improve a lot it's very true, they/he doesn't. But it's not because of this magical thing you call "talent" -- it's because he's an idiot and plays newbies all night. If he'd ever practice correctly (vs people who don't suck), he'd learn as quick as anyone else. Fact.


that's not true at all dude. are you not physically aware that all of those ideal conditions already exist and there's still a huge disparity in skill between someone like Bisu and someone like Jju?

how come cj turns out monster player after monster player while other teams can barely get someone into a starleague?


How come Orion isn't as good as Savior?

edit: i dont expect you to respond after responding to hotbid so many times, but this is what it comes down to. talent DOES exist, and while its not a huge factor, it does make a difference. skew is wrong on what he said in the first quote
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BrutalMenace
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1237 Posts
October 13 2007 20:20 GMT
#240
Agreed with rekrul..... i suggest people to find something else their good at. Starcraft just seriously is not where it's at.... you can mkae a lot more working at a fastfood or grocery store on the time wasted practicing. Yes i said it... WASTED. But then again if that's your thing then go for it, but rekrul is giving you guys good advice. And i think he's more qualified to say stuff about this matter maybe except for giyom and elky. The odds are highly stacked against you.... you are going against INSANE number of koreans that are INSANE about starcraft, unless you are an INSANE korean that loves sc that much then go for it. I'd like to see how you do.



I suggest poker... it takes a bit less skill but im not sure about middle-high stakes.
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