EPTForeigners Suck #3 - Page 10
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LaMoj
Trinidad/Tobago88 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On October 13 2007 23:59 IdrA wrote: and my whole point was that iris didnt have 'crazy talent'. he was just another standard terran who looked like hed never amount to anything real. and all the sudden he got top 4 in 2 consecutive starleagues and was beating the scariest players around. i'll have to disagree with you on that... iris is far from "just another standard terran" you can argue that iris always had the potential and only realized it recently On October 14 2007 00:20 rei wrote: What do you consider to be a natural talent in the game of starcraft. What do you think the Korean have in different from the rest of the world? I don't think Koreans have any more talent than the rest of the world at skills that would make good Starcraft players. They just have more Starcraft players and thus statistically will have more talented players. There are probably quite a few people in North America that can be as good as Bisu and Savior--they just don't play Starcraft, where in Korea it's more likely that they do. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
You could even argue that work-ethic and determination are partially innate too. While people are definitely born with different abilities, I'd say you're giving way too little credit to one's environment. It's hugely significant. That said, nature and nurture both contribute a lot and in varying degrees to different people. That's really all there is to it. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
 you can\'t really argue with hot bid because he\'s saying that all those who made it had some innate talents. (thing which can\'t really be disproved).questions? do all talented guys make it?, if no then why?. or, if they didn\'t make it it means they weren\'t so talented to begin with? (you can expand the questions to other things besides starcraft) i\'m not the one who would fuck an einstein just because he has talents or abilities but to say that all the other suck compared to him would make me a snob and an elitist. i agree that the foreigners (whites) will not make it in progaming but my reason is: they are just lazy fucks and they lack the korean mentality. i would not drag ones talent in to this because it\'s to arbitrary of an issue which can\'t be proved or disproved. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On October 14 2007 00:43 Hot_Bid wrote: i'll have to disagree with you on that... iris is far from "just another standard terran" you can argue that iris always had the potential and only realized it recently obviously, NOW he isnt just another standard terran. but watch some vods of his old games. some of his tvz's were just pitiful, and tvp/tvt he was nothing special. solid macro and very standard play, not much else. i dont see why you would try to argue that he awakened some hidden talent or something. just watch games before and after. he revamped his style of play, got alot more aggressive and timing attack focused, and cleaned up his micro. changing your playing style obviously isnt a result of talent, and i think its far more likely that cleaned up mechanics are the result of hard practice than.... newly found talent-driven fingers. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
On October 14 2007 00:00 IdrA wrote: so you want to try to beat me at imbalanced maps i dont know? you're a manly man~ you are a fucking coward. I haven;t played in 3 years and I'm convinced I will fucking smash your big mouth pvt and because I am just too lazy to practice new maps I want to play the ones that were played in 2003. You were playing back then so you know them as well as I do, if any you know those better than I do. You have been playing for the past 5 years and you are one of the most active players now and you don't instantly take this proposition? You are a girly girl. | ||
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no.1
516 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
ive been playing low money since a little before luna became the end all be all of maps, the only maps from before that ive really played are lt and blade storm and a few others that still got play in ladders. i have nothing to gain from beating you since you'll just say you're inactive and it means nothing, whereas if you pick some map ive never seen before and manage to cheese me i look ridiculous. you're a jackass, but you arent retarded, meaning youd pick the most obscure map you could to try to fuck with me. so if you wanna play a normal map, sure. otherwise no. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
You indeed have nothing to gain. If I lose it means I was wrong and lose a bit of my dignity( which I don't even have) However if I beat you, I will fucking mock you for the rest of time and every post you make on tl.net will be followed by LOLOLOL. The fact you even doubt you can beat me on those maps says enough for me. I am a lot better player skill wise and in potential than you will ever be. And yes you were playing in 2003, because I fucking remember your name from b.net. Don't lie to me. Or yourself. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4526 Posts
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gEzUS
Canada371 Posts
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Thinkingling
Sweden15 Posts
Just two more examples just how relatively important talents are: The talent for having a good memory is more important in a pro-team than when being alone, since in a pro-team there is so much to learn from the team mates. The talent for having fast fingers is more important for a Terran than for a Protoss since Terran requires higher APM. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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LaMoj
Trinidad/Tobago88 Posts
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bine
United States2352 Posts
Even if you have a theory about magical talent that you're born with and predetermines your fate as a StarCraft player, isn't it pretty basic decency not to piss in the face of someone by degrading their ability to do what they spend all of their time trying to do? As an outside observer with no real relationships on either side of this conversation, it's the "old school" people that resonate as having an agenda here. People are yelling at the American players that they blow, they suck, they are terrible at StarCraft, and are justifying it by pointing at their rampant egos; at least in the confines of this thread (again I don't know anyone enough to know about past history) I haven't read anyone say "oh yeah I rule, you suck." At the most, they've acknowledged what we all do, that there has been a distinct progression in skill such that the current players are stronger than the older players were, and only that in response to strong and extremely general attacks ("trust me, you blow" etc.). I guess I don't understand where all of the bitterness and insult is getting anyone. The debate about talent is a potentially good one, but its personalization here is useless and frustrating for at least one disinterested party. | ||
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
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no.1
516 Posts
On October 14 2007 01:08 {ToT}Strafe wrote: I am a lot better player skill wise and in potential than you will ever be. if skill/potency is a statical attribute like it is claimed by many here then it only refers to the past when he was born. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On October 14 2007 01:08 {ToT}Strafe wrote: Blade Storm, LT, Nostalgia, Luna those 4 maps then. You indeed have nothing to gain. If I lose it means I was wrong and lose a bit of my dignity( which I don't even have) However if I beat you, I will fucking mock you for the rest of time and every post you make on tl.net will be followed by LOLOLOL. The fact you even doubt you can beat me on those maps says enough for me. I am a lot better player skill wise and in potential than you will ever be. And yes you were playing in 2003, because I fucking remember your name from b.net. Don't lie to me. Or yourself. k im on west, account IdrA and i dont doubt that i would beat you on those, or any maps. however if you picked some random ass weird map that id never seen and then proceeded to do some weird cheese, i could conceivably lose. did you mean now or later? | ||
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