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Northern Ireland27477 Posts
On March 11 2020 10:25 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 10:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Have people seen the clip of Biden telling that Michigan voter he was full of shit and threatening to slap him? Yeah I loved it. I want politicians to engage like he did. I want ideas like that guy shit out to be smashed into bits and treated with disdain. The media give stupid ideas too much credit nowadays under the guise of objectivity. Sometimes there's a dumbass and a not dumbass. I saw the video and 2 thumbs up from me. Biden pointed out people already don't have machine guns, then said we already limit free speech because rights can't be absolute. Works for me.
Oh but it’s like super elitist to tell people they’re full of shit when they’re full of shit, or something.
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On March 11 2020 10:15 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 10:08 Zambrah wrote:
Yeah, I've already brought it up to someone who said Biden was going to make the White House SO much more dignified when he wins.
Glad we're going to have two doddering fossilized children running for the countrys highest office. TBH I am really hoping that if Biden wins the nomination he threatens to take Trump behind the Gym and rough him up, or something ridiculous and it comes to blows. While Trump for sure has the weight advantage I would not be surprised if even Biden could take him. And either way it would be hilarious TV (albeit depressing on many levels).
It is the logical conclusion of pro wrestling politics.
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Yang has endorsed Joe Biden
Bernie isn't gone. He's created a movement and losing the primary doesn't mean Bernie or his movement vanish. He's shown me why Medicare for all and $15 min wage are important steps forward. I'm still a Bernista, but I understand Biden is the party's nominee and I'll support him!
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Canada8991 Posts
On March 11 2020 10:24 GreenHorizons wrote: Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 10:16 Nakajin wrote:
Michigan has been called for Biden, currently 12% up with 35% repporting. I don't think Sanders is winning another non-caucus state, he might give it up in the next days. Yeah. The anti-Sanders movement coalesced surprisingly quickly around, who they all would of agreed was one of the worst among them previously, the (mistaken imo) opinion that Biden can beat Trump. Going to be increasingly embarrassing and hypocritical for Democrats to support Biden for any reason other than he's not Trump and I almost feel bad for them. I suppose there's the wildcard of the pandemic and global economic shock which works in favor of an argument for a "return to normalcy". Hard to say what happens with Sanders and his supporters though.
Biden turn back is one of the most theatrically stunning purely electoral event I've witness. It's seems like a non stop tours of endorsement from every known face in the last week and a half.
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People are still waiting to vote in Michigan, it has been called for Biden.
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On March 11 2020 10:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Yang has endorsed Joe Biden
Bernie isn't gone. He's created a movement and losing the primary doesn't mean Bernie or his movement vanish. He's shown me why Medicare for all and $15 min wage are important steps forward. I'm still a Bernista, but I understand Biden is the party's nominee and I'll support him!
Same here (once it's officially established that Biden has won the primary).
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Outlets should have called California, but its not wrong they called Michigan. The outstanding vote isn't going to flip the results in either case.
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On March 11 2020 10:25 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 10:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Have people seen the clip of Biden telling that Michigan voter he was full of shit and threatening to slap him? Yeah I loved it. I want politicians to engage like he did. I want ideas like that guy shit out to be smashed into bits and treated with disdain. The media give stupid ideas too much credit nowadays under the guise of objectivity. Sometimes there's a dumbass and a not dumbass. I saw the video and 2 thumbs up from me. Biden pointed out people already don't have machine guns, then said we already limit free speech because rights can't be absolute. Works for me.
The immediate threat to fight and spouting off incoherent and wrong gun ideas felt idiodic. But if that's what the base wants, go have some fun. On the balance, I do want informed voters asking gotcha questions in person to see if politicians have any fucking clue what they're talking about (Biden on guns is as ill informed as Bloomberg). The citation of the famous but poor-in-context "fire in a theater" first amendment corollary was also hilarious. Go on Biden, you're uninformed on guns, and your pivot from second amendment to first amendment cited the guy that thought it was illegal speech to protest the draft.
Now, to unwrap this a little more, because the former is true but too simplistic for why this isn't the first time I've heard people like it. If you ignore everything Biden says and go Trumpian "how he says it, and what it conveys in form," it shows a fighter and a lively septuagenarian. Yeah, you can trust him to not give an inch to the right on gun control. He won't appear flustered when in conflict. Trump himself probably doesn't understand guns any more than Biden, so he isn't fighting a capable opponent on the facts. The support for Biden through this instance is understandable. I've understood gun control to highly involve showing you're on the correct side of the topic, regardless of specifics.
On March 11 2020 10:45 GreenHorizons wrote:To be fair the guy pieced together Beto's comment saying he would force people to give up their AR-15's and Biden saying he would lead on gun control. "...you’re going to be the one who leads this effort.”
So he isn't exactly full of shit, but Biden's message has been a bit muddled for political expediency.
I want him to commit on "AR-14" bans in exchange for leaving other guns alone lol. The exchange left me quite glad I wasn't a Democrat and a believer in second amendment gun rights. Beto "hell yeah we're coming for your guns" is a guy I would want far away from any candidate running.
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On May 06 2019 15:28 Bourgeois wrote:Use this thread to discuss the 2020 Democratic presidential nominees. + Show Spoiler [old poll] +Poll: Who do you support?Bernie Sanders (52) 43% Elizabeth Warren (15) 13% Pete Buttigieg (12) 10% Tulsi Gabbard (12) 10% Joe Biden (10) 8% Kamala Harris (3) 3% Michael Bennet (2) 2% Kirsten Gillibrand (2) 2% Mike Gravel (2) 2% Seth Moulton (2) 2% Beto O'Rourke (2) 2% Julian Castro (1) 1% John Delaney (1) 1% Jay Inslee (1) 1% Amy Klobuchar (1) 1% Tim Ryan (1) 1% Marianne Williamson (1) 1% Cory Booker (0) 0% John Hickenlooper (0) 0% Wayne Messam (0) 0% Eric Swalwell (0) 0% 120 total votes You must be logged in to vote in this poll. ☐ Michael Bennet
☐ Joe Biden
☐ Cory Booker
☐ Pete Buttigieg
☐ Julian Castro
☐ John Delaney
☐ Tulsi Gabbard
☐ Kirsten Gillibrand
☐ Mike Gravel
☐ Kamala Harris
☐ John Hickenlooper
☐ Jay Inslee
☐ Amy Klobuchar
☐ Wayne Messam
☐ Seth Moulton
☐ Beto O'Rourke
☐ Tim Ryan
☐ Bernie Sanders
☐ Eric Swalwell
☐ Elizabeth Warren
☐ Marianne Williamson
Poll: Who do you support now?Bernie (47) 65% Warren (5) 7% Yang (5) 7% Biden (4) 6% Gabbard (4) 6% Bloomberg (3) 4% Buttigieg (2) 3% Klobuchar (1) 1% Steyer (1) 1% 72 total votes Your vote: Who do you support now? (Vote): Bernie
(Vote): Buttigieg
(Vote): Biden
(Vote): Warren
(Vote): Klobuchar
(Vote): Steyer
(Vote): Gabbard
(Vote): Bloomberg
(Vote): Yang
Information about the candidates for reference: + Show Spoiler +Michael Bennet November 28, 1964
(age 54)
New Delhi, India U.S. Senator from Colorado (2009–present)
Joe Biden November 20, 1942
(age 76)
Scranton, Pennsylvania Vice President of the United States (2009–2017)
U.S. Senator from Delaware (1973–2009)
Democratic candidate for President in 1988 and 2008
Cory Booker April 27, 1969
(age 50)
Washington, D.C. U.S. Senator from New Jersey (2013–present)
Mayor of Newark, New Jersey (2006–2013)
Pete Buttigieg January 19, 1982
(age 37)
South Bend, Indiana Mayor of South Bend, Indiana (2012–present)
Julián Castro September 16, 1974
(age 44)
San Antonio, Texas U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (2014–2017)
Mayor of San Antonio, Texas (2009–2014)
John Delaney April 16, 1963
(age 56)
Wood-Ridge, New Jersey U.S. Representative from MD-06 (2013–2019)
Tulsi Gabbard April 12, 1981
(age 38)
Leloaloa, American Samoa U.S. Representative from HI-02 (2013–present)
Kirsten Gillibrand December 9, 1966
(age 52)
Albany, New York U.S. Senator from New York (2009–present)
U.S. Representative from NY-20 (2007–2009)
Mike Gravel May 13, 1930
(age 88)
Springfield, Massachusetts U.S. Senator from Alaska (1969–1981)
Democratic and Libertarian candidate for President in 2008
Democratic candidate for Vice President in 1972
Kamala Harris October 20, 1964
(age 54)
Oakland, California U.S. Senator from California (2017–present)
Attorney General of California (2011–2017)
John Hickenlooper February 7, 1952
(age 67)
Narberth, Pennsylvania Governor of Colorado (2011–2019)
Mayor of Denver, Colorado (2003–2011)
Jay Inslee February 9, 1951
(age 68)
Seattle, Washington Governor of Washington (2013–present)
U.S. Representative from WA-01 (1999–2012)
U.S. Representative from WA-04 (1993–1995)
Amy Klobuchar May 25, 1960
(age 58)
Plymouth, Minnesota U.S. Senator from Minnesota (2007–present)
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Wayne Messam June 7, 1974
(age 44)
South Bay, Florida Mayor of Miramar, Florida (2015–present)
Seth Moulton October 24, 1978
(age 40)
Salem, Massachusetts U.S. Representative from MA-06 (2015–present)
Beto O'Rourke September 26, 1972
(age 46)
El Paso, Texas U.S. Representative from TX-16 (2013–2019)
Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate from Texas in 2018
Tim Ryan July 16, 1973
(age 45)
Niles, Ohio U.S. Representative from OH-13 and OH-17 (2003–present)
Bernie Sanders September 8, 1941
(age 77)
Brooklyn, New York U.S. Senator from Vermont (2007–present)
U.S. Representative from VT-AL (1991–2007)
Mayor of Burlington, Vermont (1981–1989)
Democratic candidate for President in 2016
Eric Swalwell November 16, 1980
(age 38)
Sac City, Iowa U.S. Representative from CA-15 (2013–present)
Elizabeth Warren June 22, 1949
(age 69)
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma U.S. Senator from Massachusetts (2013–present)
Marianne Williamson July 8, 1952
(age 66)
Houston, Texas Author, lecturer, and activist
Independent candidate for U.S. Representative from CA-33 in 2014
Andrew Yang January 13, 1975
(age 44)
Schenectady, New York Entrepreneur, philanthropist, and founder of Venture for America
The 4-10 Biden supporters deserve to gloat a little imo.
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TLADT24920 Posts
I'm surprised at how little discussion there is about the potential results tonight even if the chance of Sanders winning is low.
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On March 11 2020 12:22 BigFan wrote:
I'm surprised at how little discussion there is about the potential results tonight even if the chance of Sanders winning is low.
Frankly with the coronavirus situation (and related economic fallout) it's pretty hard to care all that much about the elections, especially given that it seems to be pretty clear who's winning. At this point it's just not all that high on the priority lists.
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Canada8991 Posts
On March 11 2020 12:22 BigFan wrote:
I'm surprised at how little discussion there is about the potential results tonight even if the chance of Sanders winning is low.
We for some reason split between this and the US politics thread and mostly talked there tonight.
With that said Biden as it in the bag now.
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If the youth turnout had been uncharacteristically high, this would have been a whole new race. The age breakdowns are simply ridiculous.
If it's not Sanders now, and it seems likely that will not be the case, it will be someone of his stripe next time a Democratic incumbent isn't running.
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On March 11 2020 12:29 Danglars wrote:If the youth turnout had been uncharacteristically high, this would have been a whole new race. The age breakdowns are simply ridiculous. https://twitter.com/pklinkne/status/1237548891286851584If it's not Sanders now, and it seems likely that will not be the case, it will be someone of his stripe next time a Democratic incumbent isn't running.
Not enough people read Teen Vogue's survival guide for young voters
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Canada8991 Posts
On March 11 2020 12:29 Danglars wrote:If the youth turnout had been uncharacteristically high, this would have been a whole new race. The age breakdowns are simply ridiculous. https://twitter.com/pklinkne/status/1237548891286851584If it's not Sanders now, and it seems likely that will not be the case, it will be someone of his stripe next time a Democratic incumbent isn't running.
Depend, we would need to look at who those relatively few young voters are, if those (I have no idea what are the real number) 20% of young voters turn in into 45% of 45 years old voters it doesn't mean it's just an exponential augmentation of a representative section of the population.
Voter preference can also somewhat change with age.
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On March 11 2020 12:22 BigFan wrote:
I'm surprised at how little discussion there is about the potential results tonight even if the chance of Sanders winning is low.
To be honest, the outcomes of these states were pretty predictable. Some were easy locks for Biden, while others would be close between Biden and Sanders, but there are no huge upsets to report.
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Sigh, can't believe we're gonna be stuck with Biden or Trump. Feels like 2016 all over again. Why can't the Democrats come up with someone charismatic and competent? Out of the millions of brilliant people in this country we get to pick between these two?
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On March 11 2020 12:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 12:29 Danglars wrote:If the youth turnout had been uncharacteristically high, this would have been a whole new race. The age breakdowns are simply ridiculous. https://twitter.com/pklinkne/status/1237548891286851584If it's not Sanders now, and it seems likely that will not be the case, it will be someone of his stripe next time a Democratic incumbent isn't running. Not enough people read Teen Vogue's survival guide for young voters
I feel like Blizzard's "do you guys not have phones?" Like argue all you want for increased infrastructure for voting, but you can do social media, gaming, texting friends, all that shit in lines nowadays. In my first primaries, you had to bring a magazine or newspaper or book.
But I guess the whole youth turnout bit is a useful sobering experience for younger radicals that want to change the world. Work on changing your fellow generation voting habits (within your state) to realize the hill you must climb for national change. But I'm going off on tangents now that aren't too productive.
On March 11 2020 13:14 Starlightsun wrote:
Sigh, can't believe we're gonna be stuck with Biden or Trump. Feels like 2016 all over again. Why can't the Democrats come up with someone charismatic and competent? Out of the millions of brilliant people in this country we get to pick between these two?
Question 1: Which septuagenarian do you want to represent the Dems?
Question 2: Which septuagenarian do you want to represent the country?
Don't worry, no matter who wins, he will be the oldest president ever elected.
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