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On March 11 2020 08:47 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 08:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 11 2020 08:26 Nebuchad wrote:
Pick Warren as VP for the unity ticket but of course that's never going to happen. I know a lot of Sanders supporters who feel slighted by Warren for various reasons (walking back her support for M4A, sexist accusations, staying in the primary through Super Tuesday, etc.). Not saying those supporters are justified or not, but now I don't know how favorably she's viewed by Sanders supporters, even if she's objectively more progressive than Biden. On March 11 2020 08:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 11 2020 08:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 11 2020 08:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
I forget who (I think it was Naka?) provided some context last time, but I was wondering if anyone wanted to offer an idea as to why California was called by the AP the night of voting but still hasn't been called by WaPo, MSNBC, and CNN? They haven't called the state at all - as in, they haven't even declared Sanders the winner? Or they simply haven't called the exact distribution of delegates? Because I don't know if California has finished allocating the final split between Sanders and Biden, so the latter would make sense, although I can't imagine why they wouldn't even call the former. The former. They still say "it is too close to call" despite his vote gap going from ~250,000 when I first asked here, to ~300,000 now with over 4 million votes in. www.washingtonpost.comwww.cnn.comwww.nbcnews.com That's really odd to me. Fortunately, I don't think that'll influence today's primary. I don't see how it hasn't already, but I think it is important independent of that. Like Iowa not having a winner is important independent of who the IDP says won (with openly bad math). A conspiracy or just California being slow to count since google tells me they still had over 3million votes left to count on Thursday.
And saying 'but AP did' is probably a little silly when they apparently called it before a single vote was counted
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On March 11 2020 08:53 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 08:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 11 2020 08:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 11 2020 08:26 Nebuchad wrote:
Pick Warren as VP for the unity ticket but of course that's never going to happen. I know a lot of Sanders supporters who feel slighted by Warren for various reasons (walking back her support for M4A, sexist accusations, staying in the primary through Super Tuesday, etc.). Not saying those supporters are justified or not, but now I don't know how favorably she's viewed by Sanders supporters, even if she's objectively more progressive than Biden. On March 11 2020 08:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 11 2020 08:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 11 2020 08:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
I forget who (I think it was Naka?) provided some context last time, but I was wondering if anyone wanted to offer an idea as to why California was called by the AP the night of voting but still hasn't been called by WaPo, MSNBC, and CNN? They haven't called the state at all - as in, they haven't even declared Sanders the winner? Or they simply haven't called the exact distribution of delegates? Because I don't know if California has finished allocating the final split between Sanders and Biden, so the latter would make sense, although I can't imagine why they wouldn't even call the former. The former. They still say "it is too close to call" despite his vote gap going from ~250,000 when I first asked here, to ~300,000 now with over 4 million votes in. www.washingtonpost.comwww.cnn.comwww.nbcnews.com That's really odd to me. Fortunately, I don't think that'll influence today's primary. I don't see how it hasn't already, but I think it is important independent of that. Like Iowa not having a winner is important independent of who the IDP says won (with openly bad math). A conspiracy or just California being slow to count since google tells me they still had over 3million votes left to count on Thursday. And saying 'but AP did' is probably a little silly when they apparently called it before a single vote was counted
How is the saying the premier election projection desk in the country (typically news stations just report their calls with confirmation from their own desks) called the race silly?
For context from WaPo's vote count:
The discrepancies in reported results should give people pause.
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Mississipi and Missouri called for Biden as polls close, Missouri was a 0.3% win for Clinton last time.
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On March 11 2020 08:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 08:26 Nebuchad wrote:
Pick Warren as VP for the unity ticket but of course that's never going to happen. I know a lot of Sanders supporters who feel slighted by Warren for various reasons (walking back her support for M4A, sexist accusations, staying in the primary through Super Tuesday, etc.). Not saying those supporters are justified or not, but now I don't know how favorably she's viewed by Sanders supporters, even if she's objectively more progressive than Biden. Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 08:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 11 2020 08:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 11 2020 08:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
I forget who (I think it was Naka?) provided some context last time, but I was wondering if anyone wanted to offer an idea as to why California was called by the AP the night of voting but still hasn't been called by WaPo, MSNBC, and CNN? They haven't called the state at all - as in, they haven't even declared Sanders the winner? Or they simply haven't called the exact distribution of delegates? Because I don't know if California has finished allocating the final split between Sanders and Biden, so the latter would make sense, although I can't imagine why they wouldn't even call the former. The former. They still say "it is too close to call" despite his vote gap going from ~250,000 when I first asked here, to ~300,000 now with over 4 million votes in. www.washingtonpost.comwww.cnn.comwww.nbcnews.com That's really odd to me. Fortunately, I don't think that'll influence today's primary.
In terms of how negatively I view them:
1. Bloomberg
2. Buttigieg
*A huge gap*
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3. Warren
4. Klobuchar
5. Biden
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On March 11 2020 09:16 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 08:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 11 2020 08:26 Nebuchad wrote:
Pick Warren as VP for the unity ticket but of course that's never going to happen. I know a lot of Sanders supporters who feel slighted by Warren for various reasons (walking back her support for M4A, sexist accusations, staying in the primary through Super Tuesday, etc.). Not saying those supporters are justified or not, but now I don't know how favorably she's viewed by Sanders supporters, even if she's objectively more progressive than Biden. On March 11 2020 08:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 11 2020 08:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 11 2020 08:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
I forget who (I think it was Naka?) provided some context last time, but I was wondering if anyone wanted to offer an idea as to why California was called by the AP the night of voting but still hasn't been called by WaPo, MSNBC, and CNN? They haven't called the state at all - as in, they haven't even declared Sanders the winner? Or they simply haven't called the exact distribution of delegates? Because I don't know if California has finished allocating the final split between Sanders and Biden, so the latter would make sense, although I can't imagine why they wouldn't even call the former. The former. They still say "it is too close to call" despite his vote gap going from ~250,000 when I first asked here, to ~300,000 now with over 4 million votes in. www.washingtonpost.comwww.cnn.comwww.nbcnews.com That's really odd to me. Fortunately, I don't think that'll influence today's primary. In terms of how negatively I view them: 1. Bloomberg 2. Buttigieg *A huge gap* ... ... 3. Warren 4. Klobuchar 5. Biden
Out of curiosity where would Clinton land on that list?
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Clinton would be tied with Pete. I can't say I hate either of them less than the other.
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Why Warren over Klobuchar or Biden?
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On March 11 2020 09:38 Mohdoo wrote:
Clinton would be tied with Pete. I can't say I hate either of them less than the other.
Ok thanks.
Also 450k votes in Biden's up around 8 points in Michigan, still a lot more vote to go but it doesn't look good for Sanders. (According to Wapo since for some reason counting vote seems relative in the US news world)
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Have people seen the clip of Biden telling that Michigan voter he was full of shit and threatening to slap him?
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Yeah, I've already brought it up to someone who said Biden was going to make the White House SO much more dignified when he wins.
Glad we're going to have two doddering fossilized children running for the countrys highest office.
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Michigan has been called for Biden, currently 12% up with 35% repporting. I don't think Sanders is winning another non-caucus state, he might give it up in the next days.
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On March 11 2020 10:15 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 10:08 Zambrah wrote:
Yeah, I've already brought it up to someone who said Biden was going to make the White House SO much more dignified when he wins.
Glad we're going to have two doddering fossilized children running for the countrys highest office. TBH I am really hoping that if Biden wins the nomination he threatens to take Trump behind the Gym and rough him up, or something ridiculous and it comes to blows. While Trump for sure has the weight advantage I would not be surprised if even Biden could take him. And either way it would be hilarious TV (albeit depressing on many levels).
Televise it and call it a debate and we'd reach peak America
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On March 11 2020 10:15 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 10:08 Zambrah wrote:
Yeah, I've already brought it up to someone who said Biden was going to make the White House SO much more dignified when he wins.
Glad we're going to have two doddering fossilized children running for the countrys highest office. TBH I am really hoping that if Biden wins the nomination he threatens to take Trump behind the Gym and rough him up, or something ridiculous and it comes to blows. While Trump for sure has the weight advantage I would not be surprised if even Biden could take him. And either way it would be hilarious TV (albeit depressing on many levels).
During their debate, I can see Trump, after being on a insulting Hunter spree for 30 mins, accidentally insulting and making fun of Biden's dead son Beau too, then Biden snapping and strangling Trump live on stage while secret service can't interfere because they are bound to protect both candidates. Then Biden goes to jail after and both parties suddenly have no primary candidate.
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On March 11 2020 10:16 Nakajin wrote:
Michigan has been called for Biden, currently 12% up with 35% repporting. I don't think Sanders is winning another non-caucus state, he might give it up in the next days.
Yeah. The anti-Sanders movement coalesced surprisingly quickly around, who they all would of agreed was one of the worst among them previously, the (mistaken imo) opinion that Biden can beat Trump. Going to be increasingly embarrassing and hypocritical for Democrats to support Biden for any reason other than he's not Trump and I almost feel bad for them.
I suppose there's the wildcard of the pandemic and global economic shock which works in favor of an argument for a "return to normalcy".
Hard to say what happens with Sanders and his supporters though.
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On March 11 2020 10:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Have people seen the clip of Biden telling that Michigan voter he was full of shit and threatening to slap him?
Yeah I loved it. I want politicians to engage like he did. I want ideas like that guy shit out to be smashed into bits and treated with disdain. The media give stupid ideas too much credit nowadays under the guise of objectivity. Sometimes there's a dumbass and a not dumbass.
I saw the video and 2 thumbs up from me. Biden pointed out people already don't have machine guns, then said we already limit free speech because rights can't be absolute. Works for me.
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On March 11 2020 10:24 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2020 10:15 JimmiC wrote:On March 11 2020 10:08 Zambrah wrote:
Yeah, I've already brought it up to someone who said Biden was going to make the White House SO much more dignified when he wins.
Glad we're going to have two doddering fossilized children running for the countrys highest office. TBH I am really hoping that if Biden wins the nomination he threatens to take Trump behind the Gym and rough him up, or something ridiculous and it comes to blows. While Trump for sure has the weight advantage I would not be surprised if even Biden could take him. And either way it would be hilarious TV (albeit depressing on many levels). During their debate, I can see Trump, after being on a insulting Hunter spree for 30 mins, accidentally insulting and making fun of Biden's dead son Beau too, then Biden snapping and strangling Trump live on stage while secret service can't interfere because they are bound to protect both candidates. Then Biden goes to jail after and both parties suddenly have no primary candidate.
hahaha
But, I'm seriously a bit unsure if televise debate are actually going to happen if Trump decide he doesn't feel like it, although I guess it's the kind of thing he love.
Also Biden apparently has a 20% lead with women in Michigan according to entry polls according to exit polls, perhaps Warren staying in would actually have help Sanders.
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