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If this thread turns into a USPMT 2.0, we will not hesitate to shut it down. Do not even bother posting if all you're going to do is shit on the Democratic candidates while adding nothing of value.

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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23202 Posts
March 11 2020 04:31 GMT
#1481
On March 11 2020 13:27 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 12:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 11 2020 12:29 Danglars wrote:
If the youth turnout had been uncharacteristically high, this would have been a whole new race. The age breakdowns are simply ridiculous.



If it's not Sanders now, and it seems likely that will not be the case, it will be someone of his stripe next time a Democratic incumbent isn't running.


Not enough people read Teen Vogue's survival guide for young voters

I feel like Blizzard's "do you guys not have phones?" Like argue all you want for increased infrastructure for voting, but you can do social media, gaming, texting friends, all that shit in lines nowadays. In my first primaries, you had to bring a magazine or newspaper or book.

But I guess the whole youth turnout bit is a useful sobering experience for younger radicals that want to change the world. Work on changing your fellow generation voting habits (within your state) to realize the hill you must climb for national change. But I'm going off on tangents now that aren't too productive.

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 13:14 Starlightsun wrote:
Sigh, can't believe we're gonna be stuck with Biden or Trump. Feels like 2016 all over again. Why can't the Democrats come up with someone charismatic and competent? Out of the millions of brilliant people in this country we get to pick between these two?

Question 1: Which septuagenarian do you want to represent the Dems?
Question 2: Which septuagenarian do you want to represent the country?
Don't worry, no matter who wins, he will be the oldest president ever elected.

Democrats will probably do that (or not) I think young people will realize there isn't an election based timeline that doesn't result in them being left an uninhabitable planet.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15665 Posts
March 11 2020 04:33 GMT
#1482
Washington being this close is a disaster for Bernie T_T
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7290 Posts
March 11 2020 04:38 GMT
#1483
People genuinely care more about Trump not being president then the quality of their own lives, thats what I learned from Super Tuesday and hearing people repeat "Id vote Sanders, but Biden is the only one who can beat Trump because hes electable" ad fucking nauseum during my NPR fueled driving around.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
March 11 2020 04:40 GMT
#1484
On March 11 2020 13:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Washington being this close is a disaster for Bernie T_T

It was over when the Bernie base of support (youth, mostly) didn't turn out for him. Even in Iowa and NH this looked like a dangerous possibility, and at this point the reality that Bernie's supporters aren't coming out to vote for him is becoming clear. The sad reality is that Biden supporters, as unenthusiastic as they are, vote, but Bernie supporters do not.

Looking forward to a bizarre, miserable general. Once the kid gloves come off, Biden is going to feel the hurt.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23202 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-11 04:56:42
March 11 2020 04:55 GMT
#1485
Still hoping for the .0000001% chance Bernie says f it and only answers questions with "I'm still waiting for Joe to draw the clock I asked him to draw in my opening statement, do you remember that part of the debate Joe?"

I think it should be a required to be done live in general regardless though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-11 05:10:18
March 11 2020 05:06 GMT
#1486
On March 11 2020 13:38 Zambrah wrote:
People genuinely care more about Trump not being president then the quality of their own lives, thats what I learned from Super Tuesday and hearing people repeat "Id vote Sanders, but Biden is the only one who can beat Trump because hes electable" ad fucking nauseum during my NPR fueled driving around.


I do am starting to wonder if Sanders rise in 2016 wasn't in big part that people just hated Hillary that much, it seems like all of America had a hate bonner for her.
And I'm sure it played a role but there's probably also a part of it that when an NPR (or a journalist in general) ask you why you aren't voting for the most left leaning guy you aren't suppose to say it's because you find him too progressive, top radical can pass but it's not really in vogue, not realist enough is better which is pretty much just saying he's not electable really.

Just like you probably can't find anyone who's gonna tell you they are not voting for a women because she's a women.

Oh well hopefully the left can turn it around in the future, a few different political move and maybe they could have done it, Sander-Warren vote where reliably pulling close to 50% at some point.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
March 11 2020 05:19 GMT
#1487
On March 11 2020 14:06 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 13:38 Zambrah wrote:
People genuinely care more about Trump not being president then the quality of their own lives, thats what I learned from Super Tuesday and hearing people repeat "Id vote Sanders, but Biden is the only one who can beat Trump because hes electable" ad fucking nauseum during my NPR fueled driving around.


I do am starting to wonder if Sanders rise in 2016 wasn't in big part that people just hated Hillary that much, it seems like all of America had a hate bonner for her.
And I'm sure it played a role but there's probably also a part of it that when an NPR (or a journalist in general) ask you why you aren't voting for the most left leaning guy you aren't suppose to say it's because you find him too progressive, top radical can pass but it's not really in vogue, not realist enough is better which is pretty much just saying he's not electable really.

Just like you probably can't find anyone who's gonna tell you they are not voting for a women because she's a women.

Oh well hopefully the left can turn it around in the future, a few different political move and maybe they could have done it, Sander-Warren vote where reliably pulling close to 50% at some point.

I don't think that Sanders rose in 2016 because people hated Hillary, but I'm sure that the fact that she choked out genuine establishment opposition made it very easy for him to draw attention to himself as an out-of-the-ordinary candidate. Sanders certainly seemed like a novelty candidate in the early 2016 cycle, but his particular brand of novelty managed to garner over 40% of the vote, so clearly it had staying power.

The full-on Hillary hate didn't really start until after the DNC leaks, though. Until then, there were clear for/against factions, but she was popular enough among Democrats. Republicans are another matter entirely, of course.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
March 11 2020 06:25 GMT
#1488
On March 11 2020 13:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 13:27 Danglars wrote:
On March 11 2020 12:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 11 2020 12:29 Danglars wrote:
If the youth turnout had been uncharacteristically high, this would have been a whole new race. The age breakdowns are simply ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/pklinkne/status/1237548891286851584

If it's not Sanders now, and it seems likely that will not be the case, it will be someone of his stripe next time a Democratic incumbent isn't running.


Not enough people read Teen Vogue's survival guide for young voters

I feel like Blizzard's "do you guys not have phones?" Like argue all you want for increased infrastructure for voting, but you can do social media, gaming, texting friends, all that shit in lines nowadays. In my first primaries, you had to bring a magazine or newspaper or book.

But I guess the whole youth turnout bit is a useful sobering experience for younger radicals that want to change the world. Work on changing your fellow generation voting habits (within your state) to realize the hill you must climb for national change. But I'm going off on tangents now that aren't too productive.

On March 11 2020 13:14 Starlightsun wrote:
Sigh, can't believe we're gonna be stuck with Biden or Trump. Feels like 2016 all over again. Why can't the Democrats come up with someone charismatic and competent? Out of the millions of brilliant people in this country we get to pick between these two?

Question 1: Which septuagenarian do you want to represent the Dems?
Question 2: Which septuagenarian do you want to represent the country?
Don't worry, no matter who wins, he will be the oldest president ever elected.

Democrats will probably do that (or not) I think young people will realize there isn't an election based timeline that doesn't result in them being left an uninhabitable planet.


Uninhabitable eh? Come on GH, don't be a rapturist. Biden is rapidly going senile...I can't see him getting through the general without this being so in your face to the general population. It's like the Democrats said, Hillary 2016 awful, let's double down with more awful candidates 2020! It's like they put forward two of the worst candidates in the history of the country against probably their close worseness rival in Trump. It's hilarious how inept they've become.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23202 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-11 06:50:32
March 11 2020 06:49 GMT
#1489
On March 11 2020 15:25 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 13:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 11 2020 13:27 Danglars wrote:
On March 11 2020 12:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 11 2020 12:29 Danglars wrote:
If the youth turnout had been uncharacteristically high, this would have been a whole new race. The age breakdowns are simply ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/pklinkne/status/1237548891286851584

If it's not Sanders now, and it seems likely that will not be the case, it will be someone of his stripe next time a Democratic incumbent isn't running.


Not enough people read Teen Vogue's survival guide for young voters

I feel like Blizzard's "do you guys not have phones?" Like argue all you want for increased infrastructure for voting, but you can do social media, gaming, texting friends, all that shit in lines nowadays. In my first primaries, you had to bring a magazine or newspaper or book.

But I guess the whole youth turnout bit is a useful sobering experience for younger radicals that want to change the world. Work on changing your fellow generation voting habits (within your state) to realize the hill you must climb for national change. But I'm going off on tangents now that aren't too productive.

On March 11 2020 13:14 Starlightsun wrote:
Sigh, can't believe we're gonna be stuck with Biden or Trump. Feels like 2016 all over again. Why can't the Democrats come up with someone charismatic and competent? Out of the millions of brilliant people in this country we get to pick between these two?

Question 1: Which septuagenarian do you want to represent the Dems?
Question 2: Which septuagenarian do you want to represent the country?
Don't worry, no matter who wins, he will be the oldest president ever elected.

Democrats will probably do that (or not) I think young people will realize there isn't an election based timeline that doesn't result in them being left an uninhabitable planet.


Uninhabitable eh? Come on GH, don't be a rapturist..

lol I suppose largely uninhabitable or probable social collapse would be more accurate and less hyperbolic. Humans are stubborn survivors.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-11 06:56:53
March 11 2020 06:55 GMT
#1490
On March 11 2020 15:25 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 13:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 11 2020 13:27 Danglars wrote:
On March 11 2020 12:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 11 2020 12:29 Danglars wrote:
If the youth turnout had been uncharacteristically high, this would have been a whole new race. The age breakdowns are simply ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/pklinkne/status/1237548891286851584

If it's not Sanders now, and it seems likely that will not be the case, it will be someone of his stripe next time a Democratic incumbent isn't running.


Not enough people read Teen Vogue's survival guide for young voters

I feel like Blizzard's "do you guys not have phones?" Like argue all you want for increased infrastructure for voting, but you can do social media, gaming, texting friends, all that shit in lines nowadays. In my first primaries, you had to bring a magazine or newspaper or book.

But I guess the whole youth turnout bit is a useful sobering experience for younger radicals that want to change the world. Work on changing your fellow generation voting habits (within your state) to realize the hill you must climb for national change. But I'm going off on tangents now that aren't too productive.

On March 11 2020 13:14 Starlightsun wrote:
Sigh, can't believe we're gonna be stuck with Biden or Trump. Feels like 2016 all over again. Why can't the Democrats come up with someone charismatic and competent? Out of the millions of brilliant people in this country we get to pick between these two?

Question 1: Which septuagenarian do you want to represent the Dems?
Question 2: Which septuagenarian do you want to represent the country?
Don't worry, no matter who wins, he will be the oldest president ever elected.

Democrats will probably do that (or not) I think young people will realize there isn't an election based timeline that doesn't result in them being left an uninhabitable planet.


Uninhabitable eh? Come on GH, don't be a rapturist. Biden is rapidly going senile...I can't see him getting through the general without this being so in your face to the general population. It's like the Democrats said, Hillary 2016 awful, let's double down with more awful candidates 2020! It's like they put forward two of the worst candidates in the history of the country against probably their close worseness rival in Trump. It's hilarious how inept they've become.

It depends how much people hate Trump. I regret to say that impassioned Democrats would prefer a stumbling speaker, frequently losing his train of thought, to Trump. A certain logic sustains it. All he needs is an approved VP to take over in case of 25th Amendment. All he needs to win is states in which Trump is currently underwater.

Wegandi, I also think you've heard the rhetoric on the short timeline for saving the planet from apocalypse. Who in the Democratic party offers an alternate view that the "uninhabitable planet" future is overblown, or addressable in a moderately long timeframe? Biden is a relative moderate to Sanders, and he has taken the position in favor of the Green New Deal. Add to that 100% clean energy, net zero by 2050. Big action against oil & gas companies, with the rhetoric on greed. Is GH really a noticeable rapturist, when even the so-called centrist backs legislation from "the world is gonna end in 12 years" gal? I'd say he's a little clearer speaker than people I believe would say the same thing if questioned enough on the topic. To confirm this, a poll is needed of top-5 challenges facing the nation (globe?) and a yes/no on unavoidable climate change disaster if 8-12 years are wasted.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-11 07:18:28
March 11 2020 07:18 GMT
#1491
last night was very one-sided, it's over unless Biden drops dead or has a stroke on stage. Shame that Bernie could never challenge him 1:1 in debates, the last debate was with many people, and the next one is after the race is almost settled.
Biden can afford a quite few fumbles now.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 11 2020 08:29 GMT
#1492
On March 11 2020 13:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
Still hoping for the .0000001% chance Bernie says f it and only answers questions with "I'm still waiting for Joe to draw the clock I asked him to draw in my opening statement, do you remember that part of the debate Joe?"

I think it should be a required to be done live in general regardless though.

What's an AR-14?
Why do you keep insulting voters with horse-related phrases?
The last answer you gave was incomplete, and maybe you lost your train of thought. Will you give me an answer on it, or do I have to wait for one of your campaign workers to release a statement after the debate?

I won't get these in debates, but I want them in debates. He can even have a chance to shine if he does well in answering the questions compared to previously.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44253 Posts
March 11 2020 09:13 GMT
#1493
On March 11 2020 14:06 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 13:38 Zambrah wrote:
People genuinely care more about Trump not being president then the quality of their own lives, thats what I learned from Super Tuesday and hearing people repeat "Id vote Sanders, but Biden is the only one who can beat Trump because hes electable" ad fucking nauseum during my NPR fueled driving around.


I do am starting to wonder if Sanders rise in 2016 wasn't in big part that people just hated Hillary that much, it seems like all of America had a hate bonner for her.
And I'm sure it played a role but there's probably also a part of it that when an NPR (or a journalist in general) ask you why you aren't voting for the most left leaning guy you aren't suppose to say it's because you find him too progressive, top radical can pass but it's not really in vogue, not realist enough is better which is pretty much just saying he's not electable really.

Just like you probably can't find anyone who's gonna tell you they are not voting for a women because she's a women.

Oh well hopefully the left can turn it around in the future, a few different political move and maybe they could have done it, Sander-Warren vote where reliably pulling close to 50% at some point.


I think with any election that's down to two people ( A vs. B ), you're going to have a large chunk of people who vote for A because they explicitly support A, and also a large chunk of people who vote for A because they don't support B. I think we saw that on both sides of the 2016 primary, and we've certainly seen that in pretty much every general election. I'm sure we're seeing that in the 2020 primary as well, although there were a lot more candidates to navigate through before the final two officially emerged. As for the specific reasons why a voter likes or dislikes each of the candidates in an election: the entire list of reasons to vote for or against someone can easily be dozens, if not hundreds, of examples long, depending on the individual voter.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21652 Posts
March 11 2020 10:25 GMT
#1494
On March 11 2020 12:29 Danglars wrote:
If the youth turnout had been uncharacteristically high, this would have been a whole new race. The age breakdowns are simply ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/pklinkne/status/1237548891286851584

If it's not Sanders now, and it seems likely that will not be the case, it will be someone of his stripe next time a Democratic incumbent isn't running.
I think I've heard "if only the youth turned up to vote" for what feels like 20 years now.
At what point will people get that the youth doesn't and that anyone relying on their vote is riding on hot air?

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23202 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-11 10:34:55
March 11 2020 10:30 GMT
#1495
It's confusing because we don't actually know how many youth turned out, we do know it was more than the voting system could reasonably handle in many cases though.

Edit: If you base the youth turnout on exit polling, that same exit polling has shown discrepancies with the results that are typically considered a sign of election fraud.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 11 2020 10:32 GMT
#1496
On March 11 2020 13:14 Starlightsun wrote:
Sigh, can't believe we're gonna be stuck with Biden or Trump. Feels like 2016 all over again. Why can't the Democrats come up with someone charismatic and competent? Out of the millions of brilliant people in this country we get to pick between these two?


You act as though this wasn't an insanely large field of democratic candidates to start with. They had a lot of candidates this time around. Biden is what people voted for. They literally took the candidate with dementia over anyone younger or different. And oddly enough, he's still the best choice. He's going to lose to Trump horribly hopefully, but still the best choice.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-11 13:10:49
March 11 2020 13:08 GMT
#1497
On March 11 2020 19:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
It's confusing because we don't actually know how many youth turned out, we do know it was more than the voting system could reasonably handle in many cases though.

Edit: If you base the youth turnout on exit polling, that same exit polling has shown discrepancies with the results that are typically considered a sign of election fraud.


In what way?

I can see exit polling be thrash tho, it's not exactly a sound scientific practice.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23202 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-11 13:37:04
March 11 2020 13:35 GMT
#1498
On March 11 2020 22:08 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 19:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
It's confusing because we don't actually know how many youth turned out, we do know it was more than the voting system could reasonably handle in many cases though.

Edit: If you base the youth turnout on exit polling, that same exit polling has shown discrepancies with the results that are typically considered a sign of election fraud.


In what way?

I can see exit polling be thrash tho, it's not exactly a sound scientific practice.


You can see several of the discrepancies compiled here:

According to the exit poll Sanders won big in CA (by 15%). The unobservable computer counts cut his lead by half (to 7.3%)

Unobservable computer counts are, on their face, vulnerable to manipulation. This has been repeatedly demonstrated at Def Con then here is USAID's own statement on such discrepancies:
“Detecting fraud: Exit polls provide data that is generally indicative of how people voted. A discrepancy between the aggregated choices reported by voters and the official results may suggest, but not prove, that results have been tampered with.”

www.usaid.gov

Real democracies use paper imo.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 11 2020 13:39 GMT
#1499
On March 11 2020 19:25 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 12:29 Danglars wrote:
If the youth turnout had been uncharacteristically high, this would have been a whole new race. The age breakdowns are simply ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/pklinkne/status/1237548891286851584

If it's not Sanders now, and it seems likely that will not be the case, it will be someone of his stripe next time a Democratic incumbent isn't running.
I think I've heard "if only the youth turned up to vote" for what feels like 20 years now.
At what point will people get that the youth doesn't and that anyone relying on their vote is riding on hot air?


Youth turnout is down compared to 16 (except Iowa).

I think you wouldn’t hear about it if Obama hadn’t gotten them out to vote in recent history.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16692 Posts
March 11 2020 13:42 GMT
#1500
Has any one noticed if Joe Biden is more error prone later in the evening versus in the middle of the day?
On March 11 2020 22:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Real democracies use paper imo.

i strongly agree
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