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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On December 10 2018 23:35 xDaunt wrote: No, it is not just wishful thinking. It is what Trump’s team has been telling some reporters, and it makes sense for legal reasons. Just like how the Trump team said he would release his tax return after his audit? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 10 2018 23:45 Neneu wrote: Just like how the Trump team said he would release his tax return after his audit? Not that I care, but I didn’t expect him to release his tax return. And he clearly made the correct decision politically on that one. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Will the House actually vote to impeach? I think it’s certain that they hold a vote, but I don’t think the freshman class wants the political fallout of a successful vote. Will SDNY indict Trump on campaign finance violations, and if so, will the Supreme Court then be compelled to rule if a sitting president is subject to indictment by his own branch of government? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On December 10 2018 23:52 xDaunt wrote: Not that I care, but I didn’t expect him to release his tax return. And he clearly made the correct decision politically on that one. I think it's pretty safe to say that's what you'll say when this turns out to be empty rhetoric too. That's why I find it fascinating that you seem to believe it, as opposed to knowing it's bullshit like the tax returns. On December 10 2018 23:59 Danglars wrote: Couple interesting things coming up: Will the House actually vote to impeach? I think it’s certain that they hold a vote, but I don’t think the freshman class wants the political fallout of a successful vote. Will SDNY indict Trump on campaign finance violations, and if so, will the Supreme Court then be compelled to rule if a sitting president is subject to indictment by his own branch of government? None of that is happening. Mueller and Congress are going to pass anything regarding Trump to the voters. SDNY isn't doing anything but blustering. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 11 2018 00:12 GreenHorizons wrote: I think it's pretty safe to say that's what you'll say when this turns out to be empty rhetoric too. That's why I find it fascinating that you seem to believe it, as opposed to knowing it's bullshit like the tax returns. No, that's definitely not a safe presumption. I don't have a vested interest in Trump's tax returns. I already the know enough about what's in them to not really care to see the details: 1) he makes a shitton of money, 2) he pays a shitton in taxes, 3) a legion of CPAs have found every loophole available, and 4) he has been audited multiple times. There's nothing there. I get bored just thinking about it. The Democrat's misplaced fascination with Trump's tax returns is mind boggling. I do, however, have a vested interest in knowing just how corrupt the administrative state of the federal government is. I am legitimately bothered by what's going on in DC as it pertains to the various investigations that have been discussed here. We've had two years of federal investigation into Trump over alleged illegal collusion between his campaign and the Russians. The result of that investigation has been nothing but huge heap of political acrimony and a few people being charged for nothing truly related to Trump and his campaign. We still don't know what the genesis of this investigation was. What we do know is that this investigation has very likely involved 1) the FBI's intentional misuse of the FISA court to spy on US citizens by the FBI, and 2) the FBI's (if not other agencies) employment of foreign intelligence assets to spy on US citizens. And notwithstanding the use of these powerful resources, the sum of this investigation as it pertains to Trump will likely be nothing more than a potential indictment over the McDougal and Daniels payoffs and a report from Mueller that says something along the lines of "we couldn't prove anything because everyone lied to us -- BUT WE KNOW THERE WAS RUSSIA COLLUSION!!!" Throw in the same people ignoring Hillary's known misuse of email, potentially for the purpose of dodging FOIA (a federal court is letting Judicial Watch conduct discovery on this very issue right now), and every American should have real problems with this situation. So yes, I will be very displeased with Trump if he does not eventually shine a light on all of this conduct. The people need to know what's going on. And this attitude of the bureaucrats that they are unaccountable to the people and the people's elected representatives needs to be corrected immediately. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On December 11 2018 00:51 xDaunt wrote: No, that's definitely not a safe presumption. I don't have a vested interest in Trump's tax returns. I already the know enough about what's in them to not really care to see the details: 1) he makes a shitton of money, 2) he pays a shitton in taxes, 3) a legion of CPAs have found every loophole available, and 4) he has been audited multiple times. There's nothing there. I get bored just thinking about it. The Democrat's misplaced fascination with Trump's tax returns is mind boggling. I do, however, have a vested interest in knowing just how corrupt the administrative state of the federal government is. I am legitimately bothered by what's going on in DC as it pertains to the various investigations that have been discussed here. We've had two years of federal investigation into Trump over alleged illegal collusion between his campaign and the Russians. The result of that investigation has been nothing but huge heap of political acrimony and a few people being charged for nothing truly related to Trump and his campaign. We still don't know what the genesis of this investigation was. What we do know is that this investigation has very likely involved 1) the FBI's intentional misuse of the FISA court to spy on US citizens by the FBI, and 2) the FBI's (if not other agencies) employment of foreign intelligence assets to spy on US citizens. And notwithstanding the use of these powerful resources, the sum of this investigation as it pertains to Trump will likely be nothing more than a potential indictment over the McDougal and Daniels payoffs and a report from Mueller that says something along the lines of "we couldn't prove anything because everyone lied to us -- BUT WE KNOW THERE WAS RUSSIA COLLUSION!!!" Throw in the same people ignoring Hillary's known misuse of email, potentially for the purpose of dodging FOIA (a federal court is letting Judicial Watch conduct discovery on this very issue right now), and every American should have real problems with this situation. So yes, I will be very displeased with Trump if he does not eventually shine a light on all of this conduct. The people need to know what's going on. And this attitude of the bureaucrats that they are unaccountable to the people and the people's elected representatives needs to be corrected immediately. Alright, does he have to do it before the election to avoid your disappointment or can it be something that comes with reelecting him? You won't get any argument from me about the FBI, Justice department, and FISA being part of rampant abuses of people's rights. I just thought it was catastrophically bad long before it got to this point. So it feels like concerns like yours are political and have little to nothing to do with serious concerns over these issues beyond how they relate to Trump. Like Trump exposing those problems as they related to him but not how they violated so many other Americans rights would be satisfactory for you no? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
He not only draws attention to the crimes of Gaza's government, but also to the UN's decidedly cowardly and antithetical views to Israel. The US stands with Israel under this administration. It look askance as countries that want to excuse terrorism because of ideological bias against Israel and towards Palestinian leadership. It's a Trump promise made during the campaign and kept, and not one I expected to stay put against international pressure and past state department bureaucratic influence. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
And no, my ire for law enforcement and the administrative state is not limited to its effect on Trump. I've been very clear that all government officials who abuse their power need to burn. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On December 11 2018 02:16 xDaunt wrote: Oh, I fully expect this all to come out well before the election. Hell, it should be done within a few months. Mueller is apparently wrapping up his investigation, which I presume to mean that we're within 60 days of him issuing his final report. Trump's response should come almost immediately after that. And no, my ire for law enforcement and the administrative state is not limited to its effect on Trump. I've been very clear that all government officials who abuse their power need to burn. You pick a date and I'll be there to make sure no one puts them out. Till then those feel like empty words when it's gone unaddressed for so long. By "response" you mean just his usual blathering tirades or some actual substantial uncovering and accountability? On December 11 2018 02:11 Danglars wrote: America has a stellar ambassador to Israel. https://twitter.com/USAmbIsrael/status/1072048584764338176 He not only draws attention to the crimes of Gaza's government, but also to the UN's decidedly cowardly and antithetical views to Israel. The US stands with Israel under this administration. It look askance as countries that want to excuse terrorism because of ideological bias against Israel and towards Palestinian leadership. It's a Trump promise made during the campaign and kept, and not one I expected to stay put against international pressure and past state department bureaucratic influence. ♪♫♬Anything Hamas can do Israel can do better ♪♫♬ At least three Palestinians, including a pregnant woman and her 18-month-old child, were killed by Israeli air attacks and artillery shelling on the besieged Gaza Strip. www.aljazeera.com The rest of the world regularly calls out the US's decidedly cowardly and antithetical views to self-determination. Bet if they were wearing yellow vests and setting shit on fire we'd get a deal (GND will still be extremely problematic but at least USians will have a fighting chance). | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 11 2018 02:25 GreenHorizons wrote: You pick a date and I'll be there to make sure no one puts them out. Till then those feel like empty words when it's gone unaddressed for so long. By "response" you mean just his usual blathering tirades or some actual substantial uncovering and accountability? ♪♫♬Anything Hamas can do Israel can do better ♪♫♬ www.aljazeera.com Hamas is indeed better at firing 150 rockets into Israel, and whining about the backlash. They have historically located their missile sites near educational and civilian centers to maximize civilian casualties. Call it sacrificing your pregnant women for propaganda victories. The rest of the world regularly calls out the US's decidedly cowardly and antithetical views to self-determination. And during the Obama administration, the US reacted to the actual cowardly and stupid attacks with meek insouciance. Now, we get some fight. Yeah, you hate Israel and don't mind terrorism as long as it's attacking the right targets. Go pound sand. https://twitter.com/wlawren90/status/1072163395149930496 Bet if they were wearing yellow vests and setting shit on fire we'd get a deal (GND will still be extremely problematic but at least USians will have a fighting chance). Now that the House is the Democrats in a month, it's time to reconcile the coalitions and put forward a policy agenda in line with what their base wants. Green agenda, medicare for all, drug policy, investigations. They probably won't be stupid enough to put foward a carbon tax on fuel. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On December 11 2018 03:16 Danglars wrote: Hamas is indeed better at firing 150 rockets into Israel, and whining about the backlash. They have historically located their missile sites near educational and civilian centers to maximize civilian casualties. Call it sacrificing your pregnant women for propaganda victories. And during the Obama administration, the US reacted to the actual cowardly and stupid attacks with meek insouciance. Now, we get some fight. Yeah, you hate Israel and don't mind terrorism as long as it's attacking the right targets. Go pound sand. Now that the House is the Democrats in a month, it's time to reconcile the coalitions and put forward a policy agenda in line with what their base wants. Green agenda, medicare for all, drug policy, investigations. They probably won't be stupid enough to put foward a carbon tax on fuel. Israel sucks at pretending it's "responding" while actively stealing Palestinian land, but it has the backing of the biggest bully and supporter of terrorism in the world so when they or we kill innocent women and children it's never their (or our) fault. Pelosi is working overtime resisting pretty much all of that so I wouldn't count on house Democrats doing much of anything. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
First and foremost, we are seeing the political limits of climate change alarmism. My biggest point against liberal climate change policy has been the true cost of the actions that the alarmists recommend to combat global warming and carbon emissions are simply too much for society to bear (never mind the highly questionable science upon which those actions are recommended). If the French are going to revolt over massive carbon taxes, there is no prayer that a majority of Americans is going to accept them. Second, it is becoming evident that the French revolts are very rapidly becoming more about French nationalism than taxes on gasoline. Anti-EU sentiment isn't new in France. It's been simmering for at least 10-15 years. But now we're seeing France become yet a new battlefield in the hardening the nationalist vs. globalist political realignment that I have been talking about for some time now. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28893 Posts
From Wikipedia ; Motivated by rising fuel prices, the high cost of living and claims that a disproportionate burden of the government's tax reforms were falling on the working and middle classes (especially those in rural and peri-urban areas), protesters have called for reductions in fuel taxes, the reintroduction of the solidarity tax on wealth, the raising of the minimum wage, and the resignation of the President of France, Emmanuel Macron. French nationalism or anti-EU sentiments are hardly part of the equation (beyond seeing the EU as a flagship of neoliberalism and Macron as a galleon figure of the EU, and there's definitely an element of rejection of neoliberalism). But nationalism in the european context is virtually never a purely anti-EU sovereignty issue, it's always coupled with anti-immigrant sentiments. The anti-immigrant sentiment is completely absent from the yellow vest movement, and seeing this as a nationalistic movement does not really add up from my perspective. Considering it as part of a larger class struggle is far more apt (and this is much more in line with traditional french protest movements). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
It's nasty though and looks set to get nastier if Macron doesn't come up with something good quick-sharp. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On December 11 2018 11:52 xDaunt wrote: What started as a revolt against the fuel tax (which is an EU/globalist (as opposed to nationalist) issue) is rapidly escalating into a general revolt against Macron (a very pro-EU politician). From what I've read, the reporting on the cause of the protests is all over the place, which is largely a function of the fact that the yellow vest movement has no discernible structure or leader. But given the circumstances, I find it very hard to believe that what's going on in France has nothing to do with nationalism and a rejection of the EU. I 'm sure some people out there have motivations related to nationalism and the EU but from the videos I've seen of protesters, ones I've interacted with on twitter and reports from a variety of sources the unifying principal is anti-elite. Because Macron is a centrist liberal (more or less) it's left a lot of room for that animosity towards elites to be seized upon by factions on the right. With liberals and centrists defending class war against the underclasses people looked to anyone who would say "this isn't right" even if they were generally full of it. We've seen that manifest as Trump and liberals caping for the FBI and such in the US. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 11 2018 13:01 GreenHorizons wrote: I 'm sure some people out there have motivations related to nationalism and the EU but from the videos I've seen of protesters, ones I've interacted with on twitter and reports from a variety of sources the unifying principal is anti-elite. Because Macron is a centrist liberal (more or less) it's left a lot of room for that animosity towards elites to be seized upon by factions on the right. With liberals and centrists defending class war against the underclasses people looked to anyone who would say "this isn't right" even if they were generally full of it. We've seen that manifest as Trump and liberals caping for the FBI and such in the US. I agree that anti-elitism is one of the major themes of the movement. But who are the elites? Not just in France, but in the US? Globally? What are their interests? What policies to they promote? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On December 11 2018 13:06 xDaunt wrote: I agree that anti-elitism is one of the major themes of the movement. But who are the elites? Not just in France, but in the US? Globally? What are their interests? What policies to they promote? The elites are the wealthy and powerful. Their interests are getting more money and power. They promote policies that will get them more wealthy and powerful. The political divide among them exists mostly as a difference of opinion on whether it's more efficient to work people to death by threatening them with suffering and an even earlier death or if "happy cows" produce more and better milk. The "globalist" and "nationalist" perspectives are mostly just propaganda used to justify the exploitation by either faction. | ||
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