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On November 08 2018 09:22 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 09:17 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. I do enjoy watching the hoops you try to jump through to reach a "totally not-racist" conclusion. If he was talking about "messing up good economies" or "mucking about the economy", he would've used those words. He said "monkey it up". He had time to prepare that statement. This isn't difficult. See, this is the problem with y'all on the Left. You're no fun!
See, this is the problem with y'all on the Right. You think this is supposed to be fun!
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The funniest thing about Florida is that they overwhelmingly supported restoring felons right to vote but the governor and senator they elected opposed it.
They both won by much smaller margins than could be reasonably expected to vote from the felon population that just got their right to do it back.
There are over a million people who will have the opportunity to vote out the guys that said they shouldn't have the right to vote.
That's something I think is fun/funny, that there was over a million people without the right to vote and Republicans chose a guy who would keep it that way if he could is not funny to me though.
Not sure danglars follows the difference.
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On November 07 2018 13:54 ChristianS wrote:
Is it too soon to talk about how 538's projections did? I haven't looked race by race, but it seems like they were pretty damn on point.
Kind of late to answer this one, but... yeah. Was pretty much right on. Doesn’t really hurt that last night played out pretty much exactly according to what pretty much everyone expected but that’s no black mark against predicting the correct, obvious result either.
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On November 08 2018 09:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
The funniest thing about Florida is that they overwhelmingly supported restoring felons right to vote but the governor and senator they elected opposed it.
They both won by much smaller margins than could be reasonably expected to vote from the felon population that just got their right to do it back.
There are over a million people who will have the opportunity to vote out the guys that said they shouldn't have the right to vote.
That's something I think is fun/funny, that there was over a million people without the right to vote and Republicans chose a guy who would keep it that way if he could is not funny to me though.
Not sure danglars follows the difference.
We just ended a huge segment of voter disenfranchisement here. Rick Scott landing the Senate is terrible to be sure, but at least we get to shit on his legacy of conveniently and arbitrarily denying black people's right to vote after forcing them to jump through hoops with the promise of restoring them. Now it's a foregone conclusion.
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On November 08 2018 09:45 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2018 13:54 ChristianS wrote:
Is it too soon to talk about how 538's projections did? I haven't looked race by race, but it seems like they were pretty damn on point. Kind of late to answer this one, but... yeah. Was pretty much right on. Doesn’t really hurt that last night played out pretty much exactly according to what pretty much everyone expected but that’s no black mark against predicting the correct, obvious result either.
Yes, the polling did turn out to be fairly accurate with a few exceptions.
In some funnier news, Acosta got his White House press pass revoked. I'm surprised it took this long given how much he has been acting like a rabid animal. I guess physical altercation was the red line.
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On November 08 2018 09:17 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. In other news, GA finally fell to Kemp. National Journal’s Josh Kraushaar and the Nation contributor Sean McElwee put together a list of eight of the country’s most progressive candidates in challenging races in a helpful effort to gauge just how receptive the public was to the modern progressive message. Today, we have the answer: not very.
In his campaign for the governor’s mansion in Arizona, David Garcia vowed to treat access to health care as “a right,” pass a single-payer health-care plan for his state, make access to college “free,” and “double down on solar” energy investments. “He doesn’t seem to be outrageously progressive,” University of Arizona Professor Thomas Volgy told the left-wing outlet the Intercept. Arizonans disagreed. Garcia lost to incumbent Gov. Doug Ducey by over 17 points.
Former NAACP chief Ben Jealous ran for the governorship of Maryland by promising to transform that mid-Atlantic state into a model for progressive racial and economic justice. He, too, promoted a plan to institute a single-payer system, tuition-free college funded by ending “the era of mass incarceration,” and a $15 minimum wage. Jealous lost his bid for the governorship in dark-blue Maryland to incumbent Republican Gov. Larry Hogan by over 13 points.
University of California, Irvine, law professor and “Elizabeth Warren’s protégée” Katie Porter ran for the House in a suburban Golden State district that should have been ripe pickings for Democrats in a year in which the suburbs turned sharply against the GOP. On the campaign trail, Porter railed against “predatory” banks, the GOP’s tax code reform legislation, and charter school legislation. Porter affixed her name to a letter attacking Justice Brett Kavanaugh for failing to be properly impartial and dispassionately deferential when defending himself against accusations of sexual violence. Voters in this targeted district opted to stick with the Republican Party.
Scott Wallace, the grandson of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s former vice president and Communist sympathizer Henry Wallace, was criticized for co-chairing a fund that gave liberally to anti-Israel organizations and to the virulently anti-Semitic and anti-Western British politician George Galloway. His allies promoted him as a pioneer “on climate justice” and promised to expand Social Security and impose sick- and medical-leave plans on firms. Ultimately, Wallace cost the Democratic Party a key swing district in the affluent suburbs of Philadelphia.
Ammar Campa-Najjar somehow managed to lose a race against a Republican incumbent facing a criminal indictment alleging the misuse of hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds. Liz Watson helped develop Bernie Sanders’s minimum-wage policy and campaigned on a pro-union platform before losing by nearly 20 points to a first-term Republican in Indiana. Arizona Attorney General candidate January Contreras positioned himself as an activist whose priority was to challenge Donald Trump in high-profile political cases. She, too, was soundly defeated.
And of course, the great hopes of Democrats for the 2018 cycle—Texas gubernatorial candidate Beto O’Rourke and Georgia’s Stacey Abrams—both (as of this writing) went down to defeat. Like Ocasio-Cortez, they suffered from a national media culture that was deeply invested in buying what they were selling. That contributed to their stagnation as candidates. They entered the race as unabashed progressives keen to appeal to the mercurial passions of liberal grassroots activists, and they never tailored that message to their states, which were more hostile toward a progressive message than the average pop-political weekly magazine in the Acela Corridor.
Friends of progressivism do their movement no favors by filling its champions’ heads with the false notion that they are popular. The failure of these office-seekers to understand and acknowledge the obstacles that center-right states and districts place before them leads to hubris, bravado, and a lack of seriousness. In such a comfortable environment, the progressive left’s most foolhardy aspirants are tempted to say out loud what they actually believe. It’s clear now that, even on a good night for Democrats, that kind of honesty represents a grave error in judgment. As Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said with some unintended wisdom, they just paid for it. Commentary MagazineAmerican isn't ready for the progressive transformation yet. They weren't really that progressive and people seem to forget (Democrats included) that both Gillum and Abrams had to fight off their own party and didn't become "their darlings" until they were already polling well and beat the person the party preferred. All they did was show that Democrats can make almost any race competitive if they focus on talking to voters about what they want.
Come now. They had the 15$ minimum wage, medicare for all/single payer, free college, big-time renewable energy pushes typically associated with progressive politics. It's on the safe side of progressivism. That's too much for all but deep-blue NY districts.
On November 08 2018 09:23 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 09:22 xDaunt wrote:On November 08 2018 09:17 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. I do enjoy watching the hoops you try to jump through to reach a "totally not-racist" conclusion. If he was talking about "messing up good economies" or "mucking about the economy", he would've used those words. He said "monkey it up". He had time to prepare that statement. This isn't difficult. See, this is the problem with y'all on the Left. You're no fun! See, this is the problem with y'all on the Right. You think this is supposed to be fun!
Future elections will turn to a slaughter if this is your approach. Unfunny schoolmarms. It's a hilarious look. Go watch some Dana Carvey as Church Lady in SNL to look in the mirror a little.
Anddddddddddddd Acosta is out at the White House. One less child at the playground.
+ Show Spoiler + What a clown on a clown's network.
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you think that looks good?
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I find it highly amusing that CNN is doubling down on defending Acosta. He has been an overbearing, disrespectful asshole for months upon months, and crossed a line by resisting the intern. What a stupid hill for CNN to die on. They should just make him apologize and move on.
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On November 08 2018 10:20 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 09:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. In other news, GA finally fell to Kemp. National Journal’s Josh Kraushaar and the Nation contributor Sean McElwee put together a list of eight of the country’s most progressive candidates in challenging races in a helpful effort to gauge just how receptive the public was to the modern progressive message. Today, we have the answer: not very.
In his campaign for the governor’s mansion in Arizona, David Garcia vowed to treat access to health care as “a right,” pass a single-payer health-care plan for his state, make access to college “free,” and “double down on solar” energy investments. “He doesn’t seem to be outrageously progressive,” University of Arizona Professor Thomas Volgy told the left-wing outlet the Intercept. Arizonans disagreed. Garcia lost to incumbent Gov. Doug Ducey by over 17 points.
Former NAACP chief Ben Jealous ran for the governorship of Maryland by promising to transform that mid-Atlantic state into a model for progressive racial and economic justice. He, too, promoted a plan to institute a single-payer system, tuition-free college funded by ending “the era of mass incarceration,” and a $15 minimum wage. Jealous lost his bid for the governorship in dark-blue Maryland to incumbent Republican Gov. Larry Hogan by over 13 points.
University of California, Irvine, law professor and “Elizabeth Warren’s protégée” Katie Porter ran for the House in a suburban Golden State district that should have been ripe pickings for Democrats in a year in which the suburbs turned sharply against the GOP. On the campaign trail, Porter railed against “predatory” banks, the GOP’s tax code reform legislation, and charter school legislation. Porter affixed her name to a letter attacking Justice Brett Kavanaugh for failing to be properly impartial and dispassionately deferential when defending himself against accusations of sexual violence. Voters in this targeted district opted to stick with the Republican Party.
Scott Wallace, the grandson of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s former vice president and Communist sympathizer Henry Wallace, was criticized for co-chairing a fund that gave liberally to anti-Israel organizations and to the virulently anti-Semitic and anti-Western British politician George Galloway. His allies promoted him as a pioneer “on climate justice” and promised to expand Social Security and impose sick- and medical-leave plans on firms. Ultimately, Wallace cost the Democratic Party a key swing district in the affluent suburbs of Philadelphia.
Ammar Campa-Najjar somehow managed to lose a race against a Republican incumbent facing a criminal indictment alleging the misuse of hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds. Liz Watson helped develop Bernie Sanders’s minimum-wage policy and campaigned on a pro-union platform before losing by nearly 20 points to a first-term Republican in Indiana. Arizona Attorney General candidate January Contreras positioned himself as an activist whose priority was to challenge Donald Trump in high-profile political cases. She, too, was soundly defeated.
And of course, the great hopes of Democrats for the 2018 cycle—Texas gubernatorial candidate Beto O’Rourke and Georgia’s Stacey Abrams—both (as of this writing) went down to defeat. Like Ocasio-Cortez, they suffered from a national media culture that was deeply invested in buying what they were selling. That contributed to their stagnation as candidates. They entered the race as unabashed progressives keen to appeal to the mercurial passions of liberal grassroots activists, and they never tailored that message to their states, which were more hostile toward a progressive message than the average pop-political weekly magazine in the Acela Corridor.
Friends of progressivism do their movement no favors by filling its champions’ heads with the false notion that they are popular. The failure of these office-seekers to understand and acknowledge the obstacles that center-right states and districts place before them leads to hubris, bravado, and a lack of seriousness. In such a comfortable environment, the progressive left’s most foolhardy aspirants are tempted to say out loud what they actually believe. It’s clear now that, even on a good night for Democrats, that kind of honesty represents a grave error in judgment. As Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said with some unintended wisdom, they just paid for it. Commentary MagazineAmerican isn't ready for the progressive transformation yet. They weren't really that progressive and people seem to forget (Democrats included) that both Gillum and Abrams had to fight off their own party and didn't become "their darlings" until they were already polling well and beat the person the party preferred. All they did was show that Democrats can make almost any race competitive if they focus on talking to voters about what they want. Come now. They had the 15$ minimum wage, medicare for all/single payer, free college, big-time renewable energy pushes typically associated with progressive politics. It's on the safe side of progressivism. That's too much for all but deep-blue NY districts. Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 09:23 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2018 09:22 xDaunt wrote:On November 08 2018 09:17 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. I do enjoy watching the hoops you try to jump through to reach a "totally not-racist" conclusion. If he was talking about "messing up good economies" or "mucking about the economy", he would've used those words. He said "monkey it up". He had time to prepare that statement. This isn't difficult. See, this is the problem with y'all on the Left. You're no fun! See, this is the problem with y'all on the Right. You think this is supposed to be fun! Future elections will turn to a slaughter if this is your approach. Unfunny schoolmarms. It's a hilarious look. Go watch some Dana Carvey as Church Lady in SNL to look in the mirror a little. Anddddddddddddd Acosta is out at the White House. One less child at the playground. + Show Spoiler + What a clown on a clown's network.
Playground is certainly a good description of that place and its occupants.
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On November 08 2018 10:20 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 09:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. In other news, GA finally fell to Kemp. National Journal’s Josh Kraushaar and the Nation contributor Sean McElwee put together a list of eight of the country’s most progressive candidates in challenging races in a helpful effort to gauge just how receptive the public was to the modern progressive message. Today, we have the answer: not very.
In his campaign for the governor’s mansion in Arizona, David Garcia vowed to treat access to health care as “a right,” pass a single-payer health-care plan for his state, make access to college “free,” and “double down on solar” energy investments. “He doesn’t seem to be outrageously progressive,” University of Arizona Professor Thomas Volgy told the left-wing outlet the Intercept. Arizonans disagreed. Garcia lost to incumbent Gov. Doug Ducey by over 17 points.
Former NAACP chief Ben Jealous ran for the governorship of Maryland by promising to transform that mid-Atlantic state into a model for progressive racial and economic justice. He, too, promoted a plan to institute a single-payer system, tuition-free college funded by ending “the era of mass incarceration,” and a $15 minimum wage. Jealous lost his bid for the governorship in dark-blue Maryland to incumbent Republican Gov. Larry Hogan by over 13 points.
University of California, Irvine, law professor and “Elizabeth Warren’s protégée” Katie Porter ran for the House in a suburban Golden State district that should have been ripe pickings for Democrats in a year in which the suburbs turned sharply against the GOP. On the campaign trail, Porter railed against “predatory” banks, the GOP’s tax code reform legislation, and charter school legislation. Porter affixed her name to a letter attacking Justice Brett Kavanaugh for failing to be properly impartial and dispassionately deferential when defending himself against accusations of sexual violence. Voters in this targeted district opted to stick with the Republican Party.
Scott Wallace, the grandson of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s former vice president and Communist sympathizer Henry Wallace, was criticized for co-chairing a fund that gave liberally to anti-Israel organizations and to the virulently anti-Semitic and anti-Western British politician George Galloway. His allies promoted him as a pioneer “on climate justice” and promised to expand Social Security and impose sick- and medical-leave plans on firms. Ultimately, Wallace cost the Democratic Party a key swing district in the affluent suburbs of Philadelphia.
Ammar Campa-Najjar somehow managed to lose a race against a Republican incumbent facing a criminal indictment alleging the misuse of hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds. Liz Watson helped develop Bernie Sanders’s minimum-wage policy and campaigned on a pro-union platform before losing by nearly 20 points to a first-term Republican in Indiana. Arizona Attorney General candidate January Contreras positioned himself as an activist whose priority was to challenge Donald Trump in high-profile political cases. She, too, was soundly defeated.
And of course, the great hopes of Democrats for the 2018 cycle—Texas gubernatorial candidate Beto O’Rourke and Georgia’s Stacey Abrams—both (as of this writing) went down to defeat. Like Ocasio-Cortez, they suffered from a national media culture that was deeply invested in buying what they were selling. That contributed to their stagnation as candidates. They entered the race as unabashed progressives keen to appeal to the mercurial passions of liberal grassroots activists, and they never tailored that message to their states, which were more hostile toward a progressive message than the average pop-political weekly magazine in the Acela Corridor.
Friends of progressivism do their movement no favors by filling its champions’ heads with the false notion that they are popular. The failure of these office-seekers to understand and acknowledge the obstacles that center-right states and districts place before them leads to hubris, bravado, and a lack of seriousness. In such a comfortable environment, the progressive left’s most foolhardy aspirants are tempted to say out loud what they actually believe. It’s clear now that, even on a good night for Democrats, that kind of honesty represents a grave error in judgment. As Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said with some unintended wisdom, they just paid for it. Commentary MagazineAmerican isn't ready for the progressive transformation yet. They weren't really that progressive and people seem to forget (Democrats included) that both Gillum and Abrams had to fight off their own party and didn't become "their darlings" until they were already polling well and beat the person the party preferred. All they did was show that Democrats can make almost any race competitive if they focus on talking to voters about what they want. Come now. They had the 15$ minimum wage, medicare for all/single payer, free college, big-time renewable energy pushes typically associated with progressive politics. It's on the safe side of progressivism. That's too much for all but deep-blue NY districts. Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 09:23 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2018 09:22 xDaunt wrote:On November 08 2018 09:17 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. I do enjoy watching the hoops you try to jump through to reach a "totally not-racist" conclusion. If he was talking about "messing up good economies" or "mucking about the economy", he would've used those words. He said "monkey it up". He had time to prepare that statement. This isn't difficult. See, this is the problem with y'all on the Left. You're no fun! See, this is the problem with y'all on the Right. You think this is supposed to be fun! Future elections will turn to a slaughter if this is your approach. Unfunny schoolmarms. It's a hilarious look. Go watch some Dana Carvey as Church Lady in SNL to look in the mirror a little. Anddddddddddddd Acosta is out at the White House. One less child at the playground. + Show Spoiler + What a clown on a clown's network.
To be, at least, the altercation with the WH intern looked the exact opposite way from "laying hands" on her. To me, it looks like she went at him. Barring the rest of it (questions kinda sucked, felt too pointed and obnoxiously partisan), do you think portraying Acosta as the aggressor in the physical but specifically is fair there?
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On November 08 2018 12:17 Howie_Dewitt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 10:20 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 09:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. In other news, GA finally fell to Kemp. National Journal’s Josh Kraushaar and the Nation contributor Sean McElwee put together a list of eight of the country’s most progressive candidates in challenging races in a helpful effort to gauge just how receptive the public was to the modern progressive message. Today, we have the answer: not very.
In his campaign for the governor’s mansion in Arizona, David Garcia vowed to treat access to health care as “a right,” pass a single-payer health-care plan for his state, make access to college “free,” and “double down on solar” energy investments. “He doesn’t seem to be outrageously progressive,” University of Arizona Professor Thomas Volgy told the left-wing outlet the Intercept. Arizonans disagreed. Garcia lost to incumbent Gov. Doug Ducey by over 17 points.
Former NAACP chief Ben Jealous ran for the governorship of Maryland by promising to transform that mid-Atlantic state into a model for progressive racial and economic justice. He, too, promoted a plan to institute a single-payer system, tuition-free college funded by ending “the era of mass incarceration,” and a $15 minimum wage. Jealous lost his bid for the governorship in dark-blue Maryland to incumbent Republican Gov. Larry Hogan by over 13 points.
University of California, Irvine, law professor and “Elizabeth Warren’s protégée” Katie Porter ran for the House in a suburban Golden State district that should have been ripe pickings for Democrats in a year in which the suburbs turned sharply against the GOP. On the campaign trail, Porter railed against “predatory” banks, the GOP’s tax code reform legislation, and charter school legislation. Porter affixed her name to a letter attacking Justice Brett Kavanaugh for failing to be properly impartial and dispassionately deferential when defending himself against accusations of sexual violence. Voters in this targeted district opted to stick with the Republican Party.
Scott Wallace, the grandson of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s former vice president and Communist sympathizer Henry Wallace, was criticized for co-chairing a fund that gave liberally to anti-Israel organizations and to the virulently anti-Semitic and anti-Western British politician George Galloway. His allies promoted him as a pioneer “on climate justice” and promised to expand Social Security and impose sick- and medical-leave plans on firms. Ultimately, Wallace cost the Democratic Party a key swing district in the affluent suburbs of Philadelphia.
Ammar Campa-Najjar somehow managed to lose a race against a Republican incumbent facing a criminal indictment alleging the misuse of hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds. Liz Watson helped develop Bernie Sanders’s minimum-wage policy and campaigned on a pro-union platform before losing by nearly 20 points to a first-term Republican in Indiana. Arizona Attorney General candidate January Contreras positioned himself as an activist whose priority was to challenge Donald Trump in high-profile political cases. She, too, was soundly defeated.
And of course, the great hopes of Democrats for the 2018 cycle—Texas gubernatorial candidate Beto O’Rourke and Georgia’s Stacey Abrams—both (as of this writing) went down to defeat. Like Ocasio-Cortez, they suffered from a national media culture that was deeply invested in buying what they were selling. That contributed to their stagnation as candidates. They entered the race as unabashed progressives keen to appeal to the mercurial passions of liberal grassroots activists, and they never tailored that message to their states, which were more hostile toward a progressive message than the average pop-political weekly magazine in the Acela Corridor.
Friends of progressivism do their movement no favors by filling its champions’ heads with the false notion that they are popular. The failure of these office-seekers to understand and acknowledge the obstacles that center-right states and districts place before them leads to hubris, bravado, and a lack of seriousness. In such a comfortable environment, the progressive left’s most foolhardy aspirants are tempted to say out loud what they actually believe. It’s clear now that, even on a good night for Democrats, that kind of honesty represents a grave error in judgment. As Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said with some unintended wisdom, they just paid for it. Commentary MagazineAmerican isn't ready for the progressive transformation yet. They weren't really that progressive and people seem to forget (Democrats included) that both Gillum and Abrams had to fight off their own party and didn't become "their darlings" until they were already polling well and beat the person the party preferred. All they did was show that Democrats can make almost any race competitive if they focus on talking to voters about what they want. Come now. They had the 15$ minimum wage, medicare for all/single payer, free college, big-time renewable energy pushes typically associated with progressive politics. It's on the safe side of progressivism. That's too much for all but deep-blue NY districts. On November 08 2018 09:23 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2018 09:22 xDaunt wrote:On November 08 2018 09:17 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. I do enjoy watching the hoops you try to jump through to reach a "totally not-racist" conclusion. If he was talking about "messing up good economies" or "mucking about the economy", he would've used those words. He said "monkey it up". He had time to prepare that statement. This isn't difficult. See, this is the problem with y'all on the Left. You're no fun! See, this is the problem with y'all on the Right. You think this is supposed to be fun! Future elections will turn to a slaughter if this is your approach. Unfunny schoolmarms. It's a hilarious look. Go watch some Dana Carvey as Church Lady in SNL to look in the mirror a little. Anddddddddddddd Acosta is out at the White House. One less child at the playground. + Show Spoiler + What a clown on a clown's network. To be, at least, the altercation with the WH intern looked the exact opposite way from "laying hands" on her. To me, it looks like she went at him. Barring the rest of it (questions kinda sucked, felt too pointed and obnoxiously partisan), do you think portraying Acosta as the aggressor in the physical but specifically is fair there?
He's clearly being a pushy asshole by refusing to turn over the mic to the intern. This has been his MO for a long time now, as he has long been unduly rude to whoever has hosted the White House press conferences. Acosta is acting like an animal and needs to be put on timeout. If CNN had a shred of decency, it would simply replace him with someone else.
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On November 08 2018 11:22 xDaunt wrote:
I find it highly amusing that CNN is doubling down on defending Acosta. He has been an overbearing, disrespectful asshole for months upon months, and crossed a line by resisting the intern. What a stupid hill for CNN to die on. They should just make him apologize and move on.
He may still crawl back. WTF is he going to do? Start an opinion show like Hannity? Bad look for CNN, particularly because the president did entertain his question (to the extent which it was a question). America’s coming no closer to believing the media is filling an important role here. It just looks like he’s a political force aligned with Democrats.
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On November 08 2018 12:27 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 12:17 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On November 08 2018 10:20 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 09:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. In other news, GA finally fell to Kemp. National Journal’s Josh Kraushaar and the Nation contributor Sean McElwee put together a list of eight of the country’s most progressive candidates in challenging races in a helpful effort to gauge just how receptive the public was to the modern progressive message. Today, we have the answer: not very.
In his campaign for the governor’s mansion in Arizona, David Garcia vowed to treat access to health care as “a right,” pass a single-payer health-care plan for his state, make access to college “free,” and “double down on solar” energy investments. “He doesn’t seem to be outrageously progressive,” University of Arizona Professor Thomas Volgy told the left-wing outlet the Intercept. Arizonans disagreed. Garcia lost to incumbent Gov. Doug Ducey by over 17 points.
Former NAACP chief Ben Jealous ran for the governorship of Maryland by promising to transform that mid-Atlantic state into a model for progressive racial and economic justice. He, too, promoted a plan to institute a single-payer system, tuition-free college funded by ending “the era of mass incarceration,” and a $15 minimum wage. Jealous lost his bid for the governorship in dark-blue Maryland to incumbent Republican Gov. Larry Hogan by over 13 points.
University of California, Irvine, law professor and “Elizabeth Warren’s protégée” Katie Porter ran for the House in a suburban Golden State district that should have been ripe pickings for Democrats in a year in which the suburbs turned sharply against the GOP. On the campaign trail, Porter railed against “predatory” banks, the GOP’s tax code reform legislation, and charter school legislation. Porter affixed her name to a letter attacking Justice Brett Kavanaugh for failing to be properly impartial and dispassionately deferential when defending himself against accusations of sexual violence. Voters in this targeted district opted to stick with the Republican Party.
Scott Wallace, the grandson of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s former vice president and Communist sympathizer Henry Wallace, was criticized for co-chairing a fund that gave liberally to anti-Israel organizations and to the virulently anti-Semitic and anti-Western British politician George Galloway. His allies promoted him as a pioneer “on climate justice” and promised to expand Social Security and impose sick- and medical-leave plans on firms. Ultimately, Wallace cost the Democratic Party a key swing district in the affluent suburbs of Philadelphia.
Ammar Campa-Najjar somehow managed to lose a race against a Republican incumbent facing a criminal indictment alleging the misuse of hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds. Liz Watson helped develop Bernie Sanders’s minimum-wage policy and campaigned on a pro-union platform before losing by nearly 20 points to a first-term Republican in Indiana. Arizona Attorney General candidate January Contreras positioned himself as an activist whose priority was to challenge Donald Trump in high-profile political cases. She, too, was soundly defeated.
And of course, the great hopes of Democrats for the 2018 cycle—Texas gubernatorial candidate Beto O’Rourke and Georgia’s Stacey Abrams—both (as of this writing) went down to defeat. Like Ocasio-Cortez, they suffered from a national media culture that was deeply invested in buying what they were selling. That contributed to their stagnation as candidates. They entered the race as unabashed progressives keen to appeal to the mercurial passions of liberal grassroots activists, and they never tailored that message to their states, which were more hostile toward a progressive message than the average pop-political weekly magazine in the Acela Corridor.
Friends of progressivism do their movement no favors by filling its champions’ heads with the false notion that they are popular. The failure of these office-seekers to understand and acknowledge the obstacles that center-right states and districts place before them leads to hubris, bravado, and a lack of seriousness. In such a comfortable environment, the progressive left’s most foolhardy aspirants are tempted to say out loud what they actually believe. It’s clear now that, even on a good night for Democrats, that kind of honesty represents a grave error in judgment. As Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said with some unintended wisdom, they just paid for it. Commentary MagazineAmerican isn't ready for the progressive transformation yet. They weren't really that progressive and people seem to forget (Democrats included) that both Gillum and Abrams had to fight off their own party and didn't become "their darlings" until they were already polling well and beat the person the party preferred. All they did was show that Democrats can make almost any race competitive if they focus on talking to voters about what they want. Come now. They had the 15$ minimum wage, medicare for all/single payer, free college, big-time renewable energy pushes typically associated with progressive politics. It's on the safe side of progressivism. That's too much for all but deep-blue NY districts. On November 08 2018 09:23 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2018 09:22 xDaunt wrote:On November 08 2018 09:17 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. I do enjoy watching the hoops you try to jump through to reach a "totally not-racist" conclusion. If he was talking about "messing up good economies" or "mucking about the economy", he would've used those words. He said "monkey it up". He had time to prepare that statement. This isn't difficult. See, this is the problem with y'all on the Left. You're no fun! See, this is the problem with y'all on the Right. You think this is supposed to be fun! Future elections will turn to a slaughter if this is your approach. Unfunny schoolmarms. It's a hilarious look. Go watch some Dana Carvey as Church Lady in SNL to look in the mirror a little. Anddddddddddddd Acosta is out at the White House. One less child at the playground. + Show Spoiler + What a clown on a clown's network. To be, at least, the altercation with the WH intern looked the exact opposite way from "laying hands" on her. To me, it looks like she went at him. Barring the rest of it (questions kinda sucked, felt too pointed and obnoxiously partisan), do you think portraying Acosta as the aggressor in the physical but specifically is fair there? He's clearly being a pushy asshole by refusing to turn over the mic to the intern. This has been his MO for a long time now, as he has long been unduly rude to whoever has hosted the White House press conferences. Acosta is acting like an animal and needs to be put on timeout. If CNN had a shred of decency, it would simply replace him with someone else.
Acting like an animal? What animal says 'If I may ask another question' and 'pardon me ma'am' ?
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On November 08 2018 15:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 12:27 xDaunt wrote:On November 08 2018 12:17 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On November 08 2018 10:20 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 09:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. In other news, GA finally fell to Kemp. National Journal’s Josh Kraushaar and the Nation contributor Sean McElwee put together a list of eight of the country’s most progressive candidates in challenging races in a helpful effort to gauge just how receptive the public was to the modern progressive message. Today, we have the answer: not very.
In his campaign for the governor’s mansion in Arizona, David Garcia vowed to treat access to health care as “a right,” pass a single-payer health-care plan for his state, make access to college “free,” and “double down on solar” energy investments. “He doesn’t seem to be outrageously progressive,” University of Arizona Professor Thomas Volgy told the left-wing outlet the Intercept. Arizonans disagreed. Garcia lost to incumbent Gov. Doug Ducey by over 17 points.
Former NAACP chief Ben Jealous ran for the governorship of Maryland by promising to transform that mid-Atlantic state into a model for progressive racial and economic justice. He, too, promoted a plan to institute a single-payer system, tuition-free college funded by ending “the era of mass incarceration,” and a $15 minimum wage. Jealous lost his bid for the governorship in dark-blue Maryland to incumbent Republican Gov. Larry Hogan by over 13 points.
University of California, Irvine, law professor and “Elizabeth Warren’s protégée” Katie Porter ran for the House in a suburban Golden State district that should have been ripe pickings for Democrats in a year in which the suburbs turned sharply against the GOP. On the campaign trail, Porter railed against “predatory” banks, the GOP’s tax code reform legislation, and charter school legislation. Porter affixed her name to a letter attacking Justice Brett Kavanaugh for failing to be properly impartial and dispassionately deferential when defending himself against accusations of sexual violence. Voters in this targeted district opted to stick with the Republican Party.
Scott Wallace, the grandson of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s former vice president and Communist sympathizer Henry Wallace, was criticized for co-chairing a fund that gave liberally to anti-Israel organizations and to the virulently anti-Semitic and anti-Western British politician George Galloway. His allies promoted him as a pioneer “on climate justice” and promised to expand Social Security and impose sick- and medical-leave plans on firms. Ultimately, Wallace cost the Democratic Party a key swing district in the affluent suburbs of Philadelphia.
Ammar Campa-Najjar somehow managed to lose a race against a Republican incumbent facing a criminal indictment alleging the misuse of hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds. Liz Watson helped develop Bernie Sanders’s minimum-wage policy and campaigned on a pro-union platform before losing by nearly 20 points to a first-term Republican in Indiana. Arizona Attorney General candidate January Contreras positioned himself as an activist whose priority was to challenge Donald Trump in high-profile political cases. She, too, was soundly defeated.
And of course, the great hopes of Democrats for the 2018 cycle—Texas gubernatorial candidate Beto O’Rourke and Georgia’s Stacey Abrams—both (as of this writing) went down to defeat. Like Ocasio-Cortez, they suffered from a national media culture that was deeply invested in buying what they were selling. That contributed to their stagnation as candidates. They entered the race as unabashed progressives keen to appeal to the mercurial passions of liberal grassroots activists, and they never tailored that message to their states, which were more hostile toward a progressive message than the average pop-political weekly magazine in the Acela Corridor.
Friends of progressivism do their movement no favors by filling its champions’ heads with the false notion that they are popular. The failure of these office-seekers to understand and acknowledge the obstacles that center-right states and districts place before them leads to hubris, bravado, and a lack of seriousness. In such a comfortable environment, the progressive left’s most foolhardy aspirants are tempted to say out loud what they actually believe. It’s clear now that, even on a good night for Democrats, that kind of honesty represents a grave error in judgment. As Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said with some unintended wisdom, they just paid for it. Commentary MagazineAmerican isn't ready for the progressive transformation yet. They weren't really that progressive and people seem to forget (Democrats included) that both Gillum and Abrams had to fight off their own party and didn't become "their darlings" until they were already polling well and beat the person the party preferred. All they did was show that Democrats can make almost any race competitive if they focus on talking to voters about what they want. Come now. They had the 15$ minimum wage, medicare for all/single payer, free college, big-time renewable energy pushes typically associated with progressive politics. It's on the safe side of progressivism. That's too much for all but deep-blue NY districts. On November 08 2018 09:23 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2018 09:22 xDaunt wrote:On November 08 2018 09:17 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2018 09:10 Danglars wrote:On November 08 2018 08:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 08 2018 08:21 Danglars wrote:
"Necessary savage," "vermin," ...
By the way, congratulations on Florida voters for choosing not to "monkey this up" and going with DeSantis. I don't want to be complacent in an America where allegations of racist dog whistles get shot down, in case the Republic falls on hard times in the future.
Also an aside: Imagine if the executive went full Eric Holder and refused to comply with House subpoenas and were held in contempt of congress. Desantis was using a dog whistle appealing to racists, that's not really in question. That you get to say it by quoting him is just a bonus for you. That said, Gillum was just going to be a typical Democrat and Florida is full of old people that vote so his turn to the center probably didn't calm anyone fretting about him being a socialist or that didn't want to put a Black guy in charge but dampened the enthusiasm that won him the primary. All in all it was a remarkably close race but horseshoes and hand-grenades and all that. Can't argue that Republican turnout for Desantis wasn't impressive. DeSantis was pointing at the dangers of progressive policies messing up good economies. But let's play your game: It's not really in question that he meant it as mucking about the economy, and I'm surprised people actually think it's in question. It's well in line with the overarching theme that everything not racist just proves all the more that everybody is actually racist. I do enjoy watching the hoops you try to jump through to reach a "totally not-racist" conclusion. If he was talking about "messing up good economies" or "mucking about the economy", he would've used those words. He said "monkey it up". He had time to prepare that statement. This isn't difficult. See, this is the problem with y'all on the Left. You're no fun! See, this is the problem with y'all on the Right. You think this is supposed to be fun! Future elections will turn to a slaughter if this is your approach. Unfunny schoolmarms. It's a hilarious look. Go watch some Dana Carvey as Church Lady in SNL to look in the mirror a little. Anddddddddddddd Acosta is out at the White House. One less child at the playground. + Show Spoiler + What a clown on a clown's network. To be, at least, the altercation with the WH intern looked the exact opposite way from "laying hands" on her. To me, it looks like she went at him. Barring the rest of it (questions kinda sucked, felt too pointed and obnoxiously partisan), do you think portraying Acosta as the aggressor in the physical but specifically is fair there? He's clearly being a pushy asshole by refusing to turn over the mic to the intern. This has been his MO for a long time now, as he has long been unduly rude to whoever has hosted the White House press conferences. Acosta is acting like an animal and needs to be put on timeout. If CNN had a shred of decency, it would simply replace him with someone else. Acting like an animal? What animal says 'If I may ask another question' and 'pardon me ma'am' ?
parrots maybe?
The press should have been unbearable for Trump a long time ago.
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On November 08 2018 11:22 xDaunt wrote:
I find it highly amusing that CNN is doubling down on defending Acosta. He has been an overbearing, disrespectful asshole for months upon months, and crossed a line by resisting the intern. What a stupid hill for CNN to die on. They should just make him apologize and move on.
To me the amusing thing is watching republicans talk about how bad this looks for CNN when their own president just banned someone from the WH for asking questions he didn't like.
Sure, maybe it looks bad for CNN, but your entire government is run by an insecure baby. It looks worse for America.
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On November 08 2018 09:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 08:59 iamthedave wrote:
Also, if we're prosecuting Hilary for e-mails do we prosecute Trump for using his iphone that the Chinese are listening in on? That New York Times story was horseshit. And besides, you're living in fantasy land if you think that having some purely personal phone calls on an unsecured telephone is in any way comparable to the Chinese literally reading in real time all of Hillary's emails containing state secrets.
Citation needed.
I read an awful lot of articles from back then on both sides of the aisle, nobody ever confirmed that anything actually leaked, and the EXHAUSTIVE investigation turned up exactly nothing. But by all means, share your case-redefining source that the FBI missed. I'm sure they'd be pleased to hear about it.
On November 08 2018 17:17 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 11:22 xDaunt wrote:
I find it highly amusing that CNN is doubling down on defending Acosta. He has been an overbearing, disrespectful asshole for months upon months, and crossed a line by resisting the intern. What a stupid hill for CNN to die on. They should just make him apologize and move on. To me the amusing thing is watching republicans talk about how bad this looks for CNN when their own president just banned someone from the WH for asking questions he didn't like. Sure, maybe it looks bad for CNN, but your entire government is run by an insecure baby. It looks worse for America.
It's always the press's fault in their narrative. I doubt they'd condemn Trump for actually shooting a member of the press, provided it was a CNN journalist he shot, and it was non-fatal. They'd probably criticise the journalist for 'being too pushy' and 'being rude' while praising Trump for his 'strong' showing in handling the press. I mean, he already openly praised people who assaulted journalists and I don't remember either of them criticising those remarks.
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Acosta is like the guy, if you've ever been in a class where one student thinks the teacher is his personal tutor and that he's the center of attention, and everyone else in the class is just the audience. It's like it's not all about you, if it's someone else's turn to ask a question then drop it. The fourth follow up question is never as great as the narcissist asking it thinks, but the purpose isn't the question, the purpose is to take the clip back to the network and dress it up as brave journalism - a guy wasting everyone's time rehashing the same talking points into an argumentative question in one of the most secure buildings in the world.
This not only applies to Jim Acosta but remember Jorge Ramos did it to Trump. It's something only "star" reporters can do, hog the spotlight and walk all over everyone else in the press room. WH has been more than patient.
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On November 08 2018 19:31 oBlade wrote:
Acosta is like the guy, if you've ever been in a class where one student thinks the teacher is his personal tutor and that he's the center of attention, and everyone else in the class is just the audience. It's like it's not all about you, if it's someone else's turn to ask a question then drop it. The fourth follow up question is never as great as the narcissist asking it thinks, but the purpose isn't the question, the purpose is to take the clip back to the network and dress it up as brave journalism - a guy wasting everyone's time rehashing the same talking points into an argumentative question in one of the most secure buildings in the world.
This not only applies to Jim Acosta but remember Jorge Ramos did it to Trump. It's something only "star" reporters can do, hog the spotlight and walk all over everyone else in the press room. WH has been more than patient.
Its like those people who go to see public lectures and have written out a huge essay to read in the Q&A session afterwards while everyone else sits there awkwardly wishing they would die.
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On November 08 2018 19:31 oBlade wrote:
Acosta is like the guy, if you've ever been in a class where one student thinks the teacher is his personal tutor and that he's the center of attention, and everyone else in the class is just the audience. It's like it's not all about you, if it's someone else's turn to ask a question then drop it. The fourth follow up question is never as great as the narcissist asking it thinks, but the purpose isn't the question, the purpose is to take the clip back to the network and dress it up as brave journalism - a guy wasting everyone's time rehashing the same talking points into an argumentative question in one of the most secure buildings in the world.
This not only applies to Jim Acosta but remember Jorge Ramos did it to Trump. It's something only "star" reporters can do, hog the spotlight and walk all over everyone else in the press room. WH has been more than patient.
I mean I agree Acosta was probably annoying and rude by holding the mic in such a busy press room.
But then you have the president reacting to his question with a personal attack (you should do your job at CNN better), reacting to the mic holding by calling him a terrible person and enemy of the people. And later Huckabee Sanders saying he harmed the microphone-woman in some way, which is clearly false.
And then you can only defend Acosta because all of these actions are way worse than him asking a second question where he should not have.
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On November 08 2018 22:11 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2018 19:31 oBlade wrote:
Acosta is like the guy, if you've ever been in a class where one student thinks the teacher is his personal tutor and that he's the center of attention, and everyone else in the class is just the audience. It's like it's not all about you, if it's someone else's turn to ask a question then drop it. The fourth follow up question is never as great as the narcissist asking it thinks, but the purpose isn't the question, the purpose is to take the clip back to the network and dress it up as brave journalism - a guy wasting everyone's time rehashing the same talking points into an argumentative question in one of the most secure buildings in the world.
This not only applies to Jim Acosta but remember Jorge Ramos did it to Trump. It's something only "star" reporters can do, hog the spotlight and walk all over everyone else in the press room. WH has been more than patient. I mean I agree Acosta was probably annoying and rude by holding the mic in such a busy press room. But then you have the president reacting to his question with a personal attack (you should do your job at CNN better), reacting to the mic holding by calling him a terrible person and enemy of the people. And later Huckabee Sanders saying he harmed the microphone-woman in some way, which is clearly false. And then you can only defend Acosta because all of these actions are way worse than him asking a second question where he should not have.
Also I think Sanders used a doctored clip sourced from Infowars to 'prove' that he was aggressive, which is ridiculous.
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