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On November 09 2018 02:20 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 02:11 Danglars wrote:On November 09 2018 02:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 09 2018 01:43 Danglars wrote:
I’m sure the president will be blamed for this somehow like he is in all things. I hope not, I hope and think democrat leaders thoroughly denounce this. That shit is completely unacceptable and this is not Trump's fault. However, I'd be fine with a position of giving some blame to say, Maxine Waters or whatever, as long as Trump also gets his share of blame for violence from his own followers. I think this as only a matter of good luck that you’ve decided it’s not Trumps fault. Only a matter of weeks ago, you blamed him (among other things) for an anti-Semitic attack from a vocal Trump hater, despite Trump’s continued support for the nation of Israel and close family relation to Jews. I hope you eventually change your mind. Democrats would rather complain about imaginary attacks against the leftist press than real attacks against conservatives.
My interest currently is on two things:
One, how the moderates will do with the same passionate base and vocal fringe. Will they break with the party’s left wing, knowing how many progressives fell to defeat. Will they join with what few moderate Republicans remain in the House?
Two, if it really is fatalism that will cause a general doubling and redoubling of verbal hostilities between coast/metro and rural areas. Trump thrives on the stuff. The media also gets great views and thus money + Show Spoiler + . Trump says something outrageous, media makes a even more outrageous comparison, Trump fires back and doubles down, the media retaliates. It’s cyclical and (as well evidenced here) the biases on either side to put greater blame on Trump or on the media and Democrats just drives it. Republicans are certainly not fond of a return to being called racists and bigots without an ally thumping back “Fuck you hypocrites.” Romney and McCain and Bush are too recent to forget. Democrats are very forceful in derision for the kind of voters that would vote for the rhetoric, or consider other issues than the rhetoric, and want a universal agreement on what speech is racist and what is not (threat of only racists will disagree with their conceptions). The middle ground, if it exists, doesn’t have a voice politically and doesn’t have any growing compromise in any case.
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On November 09 2018 02:11 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 02:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:I hope not, I hope and think democrat leaders thoroughly denounce this. That shit is completely unacceptable and this is not Trump's fault. However, I'd be fine with a position of giving some blame to say, Maxine Waters or whatever, as long as Trump also gets his share of blame for violence from his own followers. I think this as only a matter of good luck that you’ve decided it’s not Trumps fault. Only a matter of weeks ago, you blamed him (among other things) for an anti-Semitic attack from a vocal Trump hater, despite Trump’s continued support for the nation of Israel and close family relation to Jews. I hope you eventually change your mind.
Yea actually I'm willing to admit some fault, the synagogue attack seems unfair to blame Trump for and I retract that. The other one happening the day before or after is a different story though. (To be clear, when I say 'blame', I mean that 'his rhetoric increased the likelihood of a crazy person acting', not that he's deliberately inciting violence. I think he does and says whatever he has to say to fire up his voting base, and then I don't think he cares particularly much if some of them get so fired up that they become violent, as long as it doesn't backfire politically, but I don't think Trump wants his followers to get violent. )
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On November 09 2018 02:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:I hope not, I hope and think democrat leaders thoroughly denounce this. That shit is completely unacceptable and this is not Trump's fault. However, I'd be fine with a position of giving some blame to say, Maxine Waters or whatever, as long as Trump also gets his share of blame for violence from his own followers.
That form of “protest” is unacceptable and I’m sure the Democratic leadership will condemn it. Even Maxine Waters has said tempered her statements saying that politicians shouldn’t be harassed while eating/with family. But I don’t see this stopping any time soon either. Not while we have the escalator or chief in office.
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On November 09 2018 03:35 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 02:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:I hope not, I hope and think democrat leaders thoroughly denounce this. That shit is completely unacceptable and this is not Trump's fault. However, I'd be fine with a position of giving some blame to say, Maxine Waters or whatever, as long as Trump also gets his share of blame for violence from his own followers. That form of “protest” is unacceptable and I’m sure the Democratic leadership will condemn it. Even Maxine Waters has said tempered her statements saying that politicians shouldn’t be harassed while eating/with family. But I don’t see this stopping any time soon either. Not while we have the escalator or chief in office.
The political class aren't going to do what's necessary to stop it, so it will inevitably escalate until at some point they realise - left and right - that the sort of language they consider normal political language is corrosive to the country at large and there's a reason the US is the only western country that considers such alarmist language to be normal.
Maybe someone will do something about enforcing journalism standards, too. That would help. Both Faux News and CNN need a bit of tamping down.
You aren't far from more bodies being on the streets over this. Charlottesville was a warning sign of where things are going. At this rate there's going to be something similar on the horizon.
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On November 09 2018 04:04 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 03:35 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2018 02:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:I hope not, I hope and think democrat leaders thoroughly denounce this. That shit is completely unacceptable and this is not Trump's fault. However, I'd be fine with a position of giving some blame to say, Maxine Waters or whatever, as long as Trump also gets his share of blame for violence from his own followers. That form of “protest” is unacceptable and I’m sure the Democratic leadership will condemn it. Even Maxine Waters has said tempered her statements saying that politicians shouldn’t be harassed while eating/with family. But I don’t see this stopping any time soon either. Not while we have the escalator or chief in office. The political class aren't going to do what's necessary to stop it, so it will inevitably escalate until at some point they realise - left and right - that the sort of language they consider normal political language is corrosive to the country at large and there's a reason the US is the only western country that considers such alarmist language to be normal. Maybe someone will do something about enforcing journalism standards, too. That would help. Both Faux News and CNN need a bit of tamping down. You aren't far from more bodies being on the streets over this. Charlottesville was a warning sign of where things are going. At this rate there's going to be something similar on the horizon.
Agree. It is something that I have sort of resigned myself to. The Trust between both sides has been burned through so badly that neither can believe the other will back down. Collectively we have reached this point and the other way out is through it. I’m not sure what that looks like and I’m not excited to find out.
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On November 09 2018 04:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 04:04 iamthedave wrote:On November 09 2018 03:35 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2018 02:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:I hope not, I hope and think democrat leaders thoroughly denounce this. That shit is completely unacceptable and this is not Trump's fault. However, I'd be fine with a position of giving some blame to say, Maxine Waters or whatever, as long as Trump also gets his share of blame for violence from his own followers. That form of “protest” is unacceptable and I’m sure the Democratic leadership will condemn it. Even Maxine Waters has said tempered her statements saying that politicians shouldn’t be harassed while eating/with family. But I don’t see this stopping any time soon either. Not while we have the escalator or chief in office. The political class aren't going to do what's necessary to stop it, so it will inevitably escalate until at some point they realise - left and right - that the sort of language they consider normal political language is corrosive to the country at large and there's a reason the US is the only western country that considers such alarmist language to be normal. Maybe someone will do something about enforcing journalism standards, too. That would help. Both Faux News and CNN need a bit of tamping down. You aren't far from more bodies being on the streets over this. Charlottesville was a warning sign of where things are going. At this rate there's going to be something similar on the horizon. Agree. It is something that I have sort of resigned myself to. The Trust between both sides has been burned through so badly that neither can believe the other will back down. Collectively we have reached this point and the other way out is through it. I’m not sure what that looks like and I’m not excited to find out.
Straight up your two factions live in alternate realities, where the same events are interpreted through such different lenses that it seems inconceivable that you watched the same footage or heard the same audio. Yet you did.
It's more than just not trusting one another, it's not even perceiving the same reality anymore. The right genuinely believes the left have done things they haven't - and won't hear any evidence to the contrary - and likewise on the left, and while up to now I'd say it's weighted heavily on the right, they're getting closer. The last shreds of decorum are fading.
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Here I thought we were mostly over with the election craziness.
There's still probably half a million ballots left to count this evening, two days after the election, in the Arizona Senate race ... where the margin is 49.4% to 48.4%. The historically incompetent and corrupt Broward County won't say how many are left uncounted in a state margin of 49.6% to 49.2%. This is turning into a recount trigger, and past elections have seen similar errors.
Broward County’s Elections Department will receive special attention from state officials this November after a series of glitches, mistakes, and one case of illegal ballot destruction has some voters wondering if they should even trust the results coming out of the elections department telling them to “vote with confidence” on Nov. 6.
Following a court ruling in May that Broward Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes had illegally destroyed ballots from a 2016 congressional race, the governor’s office announced the Florida Department of State would send election experts to Snipes’ office during this year’s election “to ensure that all laws are followed” and “to observe the administration of the election.”
Snipes says the extra scrutiny is undeserved.
“I think the problems are blown out of proportion,” Snipes said as she led a reporter around the elections staging facility in Lauderhill in October. “Broward is nitpicked to the bone. Other places have the same problems, different problems. It’s just that they are not spotlighted like we are.”
Even beyond her own reprimand for authorizing the destruction of ballots, Snipes cannot deny the department’s patchy track record. In 2016, early voting results for Broward were posted a half hour before polls closed, in violation of election law. Her office was sued unsuccessfully because a constitutional amendment was missing from some mail-in ballots. The electronic system used by the county was also later found to have been targeted by Russian government hackers — although it’s unclear whether that affected results and had nothing to do with the early posting.
On multiple occasions, there have been problems with printing mail ballots. And in the August primaries, Broward was the last county to post election results. The department cited reasons from unexpected recounts, delayed jump drive delivery — rumor was they were temporarily lost — to a late influx of mail-in ballots that were still being counted the next day, leaving the results of several races unclear .
“We have consistently been the bottom of the barrel getting our voting results in,” Broward County Commissioner Nan Rich said at a September meeting to discuss how to prevent future delays in posting results. “I don’t want to be 67th in 67 counties again in voting.”
Miami Herald
The race was called for DeSantis (R) against Gillum (D), but his lead is of a size previously overturned in other recounts.
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On November 09 2018 09:59 Danglars wrote:https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1060596874577657856https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1060654559612289024Here I thought we were mostly over with the election craziness. There's still probably half a million ballots left to count this evening, two days after the election, in the Arizona Senate race ... where the margin is 49.4% to 48.4%. The historically incompetent and corrupt Broward County won't say how many are left uncounted in a state margin of 49.6% to 49.2%. This is turning into a recount trigger, and past elections have seen similar errors. Show nested quote +Broward County’s Elections Department will receive special attention from state officials this November after a series of glitches, mistakes, and one case of illegal ballot destruction has some voters wondering if they should even trust the results coming out of the elections department telling them to “vote with confidence” on Nov. 6.
Following a court ruling in May that Broward Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes had illegally destroyed ballots from a 2016 congressional race, the governor’s office announced the Florida Department of State would send election experts to Snipes’ office during this year’s election “to ensure that all laws are followed” and “to observe the administration of the election.”
Snipes says the extra scrutiny is undeserved.
“I think the problems are blown out of proportion,” Snipes said as she led a reporter around the elections staging facility in Lauderhill in October. “Broward is nitpicked to the bone. Other places have the same problems, different problems. It’s just that they are not spotlighted like we are.”
Even beyond her own reprimand for authorizing the destruction of ballots, Snipes cannot deny the department’s patchy track record. In 2016, early voting results for Broward were posted a half hour before polls closed, in violation of election law. Her office was sued unsuccessfully because a constitutional amendment was missing from some mail-in ballots. The electronic system used by the county was also later found to have been targeted by Russian government hackers — although it’s unclear whether that affected results and had nothing to do with the early posting.
On multiple occasions, there have been problems with printing mail ballots. And in the August primaries, Broward was the last county to post election results. The department cited reasons from unexpected recounts, delayed jump drive delivery — rumor was they were temporarily lost — to a late influx of mail-in ballots that were still being counted the next day, leaving the results of several races unclear .
“We have consistently been the bottom of the barrel getting our voting results in,” Broward County Commissioner Nan Rich said at a September meeting to discuss how to prevent future delays in posting results. “I don’t want to be 67th in 67 counties again in voting.” Miami HeraldThe race was called for DeSantis (R) against Gillum (D), but his lead is of a size previously overturned in other recounts.
I don't understand this, I live on a 2nd word country and we know elections results for president/senators and house by 10 PM always (voting closes at 6pm). Only small stuff is reported maybe the next day in the morning.
Is it because of the ID thing ? We have a national ID, it costs like 30 bucks valid for 10 years and you need it for basically everything so it's not like you get it specially to vote.
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On November 09 2018 10:42 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 09:59 Danglars wrote:https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1060596874577657856https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1060654559612289024Here I thought we were mostly over with the election craziness. There's still probably half a million ballots left to count this evening, two days after the election, in the Arizona Senate race ... where the margin is 49.4% to 48.4%. The historically incompetent and corrupt Broward County won't say how many are left uncounted in a state margin of 49.6% to 49.2%. This is turning into a recount trigger, and past elections have seen similar errors. Broward County’s Elections Department will receive special attention from state officials this November after a series of glitches, mistakes, and one case of illegal ballot destruction has some voters wondering if they should even trust the results coming out of the elections department telling them to “vote with confidence” on Nov. 6.
Following a court ruling in May that Broward Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes had illegally destroyed ballots from a 2016 congressional race, the governor’s office announced the Florida Department of State would send election experts to Snipes’ office during this year’s election “to ensure that all laws are followed” and “to observe the administration of the election.”
Snipes says the extra scrutiny is undeserved.
“I think the problems are blown out of proportion,” Snipes said as she led a reporter around the elections staging facility in Lauderhill in October. “Broward is nitpicked to the bone. Other places have the same problems, different problems. It’s just that they are not spotlighted like we are.”
Even beyond her own reprimand for authorizing the destruction of ballots, Snipes cannot deny the department’s patchy track record. In 2016, early voting results for Broward were posted a half hour before polls closed, in violation of election law. Her office was sued unsuccessfully because a constitutional amendment was missing from some mail-in ballots. The electronic system used by the county was also later found to have been targeted by Russian government hackers — although it’s unclear whether that affected results and had nothing to do with the early posting.
On multiple occasions, there have been problems with printing mail ballots. And in the August primaries, Broward was the last county to post election results. The department cited reasons from unexpected recounts, delayed jump drive delivery — rumor was they were temporarily lost — to a late influx of mail-in ballots that were still being counted the next day, leaving the results of several races unclear .
“We have consistently been the bottom of the barrel getting our voting results in,” Broward County Commissioner Nan Rich said at a September meeting to discuss how to prevent future delays in posting results. “I don’t want to be 67th in 67 counties again in voting.” Miami HeraldThe race was called for DeSantis (R) against Gillum (D), but his lead is of a size previously overturned in other recounts. I don't understand this, I live on a 2nd word country and we know elections results for president/senators and house by 10 PM always (voting closes at 6pm). Only small stuff is reported maybe the next day in the morning. Is it because of the ID thing ? We have a national ID, it costs like 30 bucks valid for 10 years and you need it for basically everything so it's not like you get it specially to vote.
The article really details the multiple layers of incompetence. The gist is that 30 districts can do what two districts struggle to accomplish as far as counting and reporting their progress.
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On November 09 2018 12:11 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 10:42 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 09 2018 09:59 Danglars wrote:https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1060596874577657856https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1060654559612289024Here I thought we were mostly over with the election craziness. There's still probably half a million ballots left to count this evening, two days after the election, in the Arizona Senate race ... where the margin is 49.4% to 48.4%. The historically incompetent and corrupt Broward County won't say how many are left uncounted in a state margin of 49.6% to 49.2%. This is turning into a recount trigger, and past elections have seen similar errors. Broward County’s Elections Department will receive special attention from state officials this November after a series of glitches, mistakes, and one case of illegal ballot destruction has some voters wondering if they should even trust the results coming out of the elections department telling them to “vote with confidence” on Nov. 6.
Following a court ruling in May that Broward Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes had illegally destroyed ballots from a 2016 congressional race, the governor’s office announced the Florida Department of State would send election experts to Snipes’ office during this year’s election “to ensure that all laws are followed” and “to observe the administration of the election.”
Snipes says the extra scrutiny is undeserved.
“I think the problems are blown out of proportion,” Snipes said as she led a reporter around the elections staging facility in Lauderhill in October. “Broward is nitpicked to the bone. Other places have the same problems, different problems. It’s just that they are not spotlighted like we are.”
Even beyond her own reprimand for authorizing the destruction of ballots, Snipes cannot deny the department’s patchy track record. In 2016, early voting results for Broward were posted a half hour before polls closed, in violation of election law. Her office was sued unsuccessfully because a constitutional amendment was missing from some mail-in ballots. The electronic system used by the county was also later found to have been targeted by Russian government hackers — although it’s unclear whether that affected results and had nothing to do with the early posting.
On multiple occasions, there have been problems with printing mail ballots. And in the August primaries, Broward was the last county to post election results. The department cited reasons from unexpected recounts, delayed jump drive delivery — rumor was they were temporarily lost — to a late influx of mail-in ballots that were still being counted the next day, leaving the results of several races unclear .
“We have consistently been the bottom of the barrel getting our voting results in,” Broward County Commissioner Nan Rich said at a September meeting to discuss how to prevent future delays in posting results. “I don’t want to be 67th in 67 counties again in voting.” Miami HeraldThe race was called for DeSantis (R) against Gillum (D), but his lead is of a size previously overturned in other recounts. I don't understand this, I live on a 2nd word country and we know elections results for president/senators and house by 10 PM always (voting closes at 6pm). Only small stuff is reported maybe the next day in the morning. Is it because of the ID thing ? We have a national ID, it costs like 30 bucks valid for 10 years and you need it for basically everything so it's not like you get it specially to vote. The article really details the multiple layers of incompetence. The gist is that 30 districts can do what two districts struggle to accomplish as far as counting and reporting their progress. https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1060609799719714817
Honestly I read it and I don't understand much. Why do counties have different rules?
Also, why do people mail votes, etc? why is it all so complicated? :l
We have a day off where people show up, show their ID, and cast a vote. The votes are counted, put into boxes, added up, and sent into a computer.
Last election there were some fraud concerns on the "first round". Luckily the system has a built in system where volunteers from each party can supervise the voting process and handling, and report anything suspicious to the superiors in the party and everything gets checked out. I was a volunteer.
Also wtf is going on in Arizona Senate?
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Because that is how Florida runs its elections. You see, the federal government can’t tell states how to run their elections, the states decide. States like Florida, known for electing some of the worst legislators in the country, are super bad at elections. Normally that has favored the controlling party, but today it might bite them in the ass.
Also Marcio whining about election results is hysterical. The man spent his entire career preventing felons from voting. Now that he can’t do that any more, he has to whine about mail in ballots.
Edit: also the law that requires mail in ballots to be reported in 30 minutes is hysterical. What happens if they don’t? Votes are invalid? That isn’t a totally abusable law by either party that shouldn’t exist. Florida is a blight on our election process.
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On November 09 2018 12:20 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 12:11 Danglars wrote:On November 09 2018 10:42 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 09 2018 09:59 Danglars wrote:https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1060596874577657856https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1060654559612289024Here I thought we were mostly over with the election craziness. There's still probably half a million ballots left to count this evening, two days after the election, in the Arizona Senate race ... where the margin is 49.4% to 48.4%. The historically incompetent and corrupt Broward County won't say how many are left uncounted in a state margin of 49.6% to 49.2%. This is turning into a recount trigger, and past elections have seen similar errors. Broward County’s Elections Department will receive special attention from state officials this November after a series of glitches, mistakes, and one case of illegal ballot destruction has some voters wondering if they should even trust the results coming out of the elections department telling them to “vote with confidence” on Nov. 6.
Following a court ruling in May that Broward Elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes had illegally destroyed ballots from a 2016 congressional race, the governor’s office announced the Florida Department of State would send election experts to Snipes’ office during this year’s election “to ensure that all laws are followed” and “to observe the administration of the election.”
Snipes says the extra scrutiny is undeserved.
“I think the problems are blown out of proportion,” Snipes said as she led a reporter around the elections staging facility in Lauderhill in October. “Broward is nitpicked to the bone. Other places have the same problems, different problems. It’s just that they are not spotlighted like we are.”
Even beyond her own reprimand for authorizing the destruction of ballots, Snipes cannot deny the department’s patchy track record. In 2016, early voting results for Broward were posted a half hour before polls closed, in violation of election law. Her office was sued unsuccessfully because a constitutional amendment was missing from some mail-in ballots. The electronic system used by the county was also later found to have been targeted by Russian government hackers — although it’s unclear whether that affected results and had nothing to do with the early posting.
On multiple occasions, there have been problems with printing mail ballots. And in the August primaries, Broward was the last county to post election results. The department cited reasons from unexpected recounts, delayed jump drive delivery — rumor was they were temporarily lost — to a late influx of mail-in ballots that were still being counted the next day, leaving the results of several races unclear .
“We have consistently been the bottom of the barrel getting our voting results in,” Broward County Commissioner Nan Rich said at a September meeting to discuss how to prevent future delays in posting results. “I don’t want to be 67th in 67 counties again in voting.” Miami HeraldThe race was called for DeSantis (R) against Gillum (D), but his lead is of a size previously overturned in other recounts. I don't understand this, I live on a 2nd word country and we know elections results for president/senators and house by 10 PM always (voting closes at 6pm). Only small stuff is reported maybe the next day in the morning. Is it because of the ID thing ? We have a national ID, it costs like 30 bucks valid for 10 years and you need it for basically everything so it's not like you get it specially to vote. The article really details the multiple layers of incompetence. The gist is that 30 districts can do what two districts struggle to accomplish as far as counting and reporting their progress. https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1060609799719714817 Honestly I read it and I don't understand much. Why do counties have different rules? Also, why do people mail votes, etc? why is it all so complicated? :l We have a day off where people show up, show their ID, and cast a vote. The votes are counted, put into boxes, added up, and sent into a computer. Last election there were some fraud concerns on the "first round". Luckily the system has a built in system where volunteers from each party can supervise the voting process and handling, and report anything suspicious to the superiors in the party and everything gets checked out. I was a volunteer. Also wtf is going on in Arizona Senate?
It's got nothing to do with ID (other than they are both voter suppression techniques). It's just longtime bipartisan efforts to control who votes and which votes count. We might have told you guys in Chile how to Democracy but the joke is that we're just as bad at democracy as we are at spreading it.
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The Secretary of State in both AZ and FL is a Republican and they oversee the election. That is why it’s so funny to see MR and Scott complain about “cheating” when they just might lose far and square.
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The elections results are not even certified yet. This is hysterical. They didn’t find ballots. They are not done counting. Sometimes it takes days to get a final count.
He filed a lawsuit to stop votes from being counted.
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I don't think we ever got an explanation from AZ on how an unknown number of people were inexplicable stricken from the rolls leading up to the Democratic primary.
Like I said when I posted that people had to wait 3 hours in line to vote for a midterm, our elections should act as a well of shame, not pride. That's without taking into account the monsters we elect.
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Our elections are a joke. But it is funny to watch the guys who spent their entire career trying to keep the “wrong people” from voting loose their minds that it might not have been enough. It is funny as hell.
Who filed a lawsuit to stop the initial vote count? Seriously?
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Isn't Florida where all the Bush recount malarkey went down as well?
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On November 09 2018 03:35 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 02:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:I hope not, I hope and think democrat leaders thoroughly denounce this. That shit is completely unacceptable and this is not Trump's fault. However, I'd be fine with a position of giving some blame to say, Maxine Waters or whatever, as long as Trump also gets his share of blame for violence from his own followers. That form of “protest” is unacceptable and I’m sure the Democratic leadership will condemn it. Even Maxine Waters has said tempered her statements saying that politicians shouldn’t be harassed while eating/with family. But I don’t see this stopping any time soon either. Not while we have the escalator or chief in office.
I'm more interested as to whether other antifa activists will denounce it. We had a similar occurrence recently in the UK with a politician called Jacob Reese-Mogg who was accosted outside his house with activists telling his kids what a horrible person their dad is. Its totally unacceptable, but I still support antifa as a movement on the condition that there is some agreement that this kind of activism isn't acceptable (for a number of reasons, two of which are that it is never acceptable to attack the family of a target, and that the targets they are attacking aren't enacting fascism in any recognizable way).
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On November 09 2018 13:14 Plansix wrote:
Our elections are a joke. But it is funny to watch the guys who spent their entire career trying to keep the “wrong people” from voting loose their minds that it might not have been enough. It is funny as hell.
Who filed a lawsuit to stop the initial vote count? Seriously?
We all know that if it went the other way, and if Gillum and Nelson won the first count by the same margins we saw on Tuesday, Danglars and co. would be cheering the discovery of additional votes and a possible recount. As would every other person saying these votes should be discounted or destroyed.
America, the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave. And sometimes your vote gets lost and destroyed. Hope that's no biggie.
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On November 09 2018 22:28 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 13:14 Plansix wrote:
Our elections are a joke. But it is funny to watch the guys who spent their entire career trying to keep the “wrong people” from voting loose their minds that it might not have been enough. It is funny as hell.
Who filed a lawsuit to stop the initial vote count? Seriously? We all know that if it went the other way, and if Gillum and Nelson won the first count by the same margins we saw on Tuesday, Danglars and co. would be cheering the discovery of additional votes and a possible recount. As would every other person saying these votes should be discounted or destroyed. America, the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave. And sometimes your vote gets lost and destroyed. Hope that's no biggie.
I don't think it's fair to throw Danglars and xD under the bus when they haven't weighed in on whether or not the counts/recounts should be finished...
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On November 09 2018 20:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2018 03:35 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2018 02:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:I hope not, I hope and think democrat leaders thoroughly denounce this. That shit is completely unacceptable and this is not Trump's fault. However, I'd be fine with a position of giving some blame to say, Maxine Waters or whatever, as long as Trump also gets his share of blame for violence from his own followers. That form of “protest” is unacceptable and I’m sure the Democratic leadership will condemn it. Even Maxine Waters has said tempered her statements saying that politicians shouldn’t be harassed while eating/with family. But I don’t see this stopping any time soon either. Not while we have the escalator or chief in office. I'm more interested as to whether other antifa activists will denounce it. We had a similar occurrence recently in the UK with a politician called Jacob Reese-Mogg who was accosted outside his house with activists telling his kids what a horrible person their dad is. Its totally unacceptable, but I still support antifa as a movement on the condition that there is some agreement that this kind of activism isn't acceptable (for a number of reasons, two of which are that it is never acceptable to attack the family of a target, and that the targets they are attacking aren't enacting fascism in any recognizable way).
So if they had just harrased Tucker Carlson (the "target") alone it would be ok?
Why do they have the right to decide who is a fascist and target them? This is the crux of the issue.
Imagine a right wing movement created a group called "anticomu" and they targeted democratic party members or activists labelling them as "communists". Would that be ok? How would it be different?
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