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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 28 2018 19:24 IgnE wrote: im not talking about his jurisprudence. im talking about his “virgin” boy scout talk cast against a conservative political platform of christian temperance and family values What, is it really so hard to believe that there are truly decent people out there? This is one of the major problems that I have with the current Leftist influence on culture: we aren't allowed to have true heroes anymore. Everyone is necessarily flawed. Paragons don't exist. Everything is gray. In my opinion, this particular strain of Leftist nihilism is particularly harmful to young men/boys, who need true heroes to aspire to. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On September 29 2018 00:37 xDaunt wrote: How far left do you have to go to get a point where they generally don't care about what happened? I certainly understand where you stand and what your thoughts are, but how representative are you? When I talk about the far Left, I usually don't have GH in mind. Really I'm thinking of the SJW-types. <blog -mod hat> While we have some US-centric stuff going on here the terms of the political spectrum will not be. There's several reasons I'd be happy to go over at a later time but I don't have the time for something like that at the moment. You can just say Democrats there. I'm not opposed to some colorful adjectives now and again and I see P6 goading (knock it off P6, if you're confused about what I'm talking about you can ask in PM), various parts of the left are working out this terminology themselves so I can't give you a reference chart of terms to use (yet haha) but that wasn't the right one. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On September 29 2018 01:23 xDaunt wrote: What, is it really so hard to believe that there are truly decent people out there? This is one of the major problems that I have with the current Leftist influence on culture: we aren't allowed to have true heroes anymore. Everyone is necessarily flawed. Paragons don't exist. Everything is gray. In my opinion, this particular strain of Leftist nihilism is particularly harmful to young men/boys, who need true heroes to aspire to. Plenty (plenty might not be exactly the right word) of truly decent people out there, not sure how many claim they were virgins until they were married (at like 40?). Nothing heroic about it and heroes are overrated imo though. I don't think I'm in any condition or mood to get into the relation between religion, hell/heaven, and morality but I do hope IgnE tackles this one. You did say something that touches a thought I had before. Where does the Supreme Court rank for you as far as meritocracy of lawyers (is it something the best lawyers are even interested in?) and how much of that is morality? Meaning is the Supreme Court the somewhere that perhaps a mediocre lawyer with unimpeachable ethics would be preferable to a extraordinary lawyer with a less spotless ethics/morality record? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 29 2018 01:39 GreenHorizons wrote: You did say something that touches a thought I had before. Where does the Supreme Court rank for you as far as meritocracy of lawyers (is it something the best lawyers are even interested in?) and how much of that is morality? Meaning is the Supreme Court the somewhere that perhaps a mediocre lawyer with unimpeachable ethics would be preferable to a extraordinary lawyer with a less spotless ethics/morality record? The Supreme Court traditionally has been thought of as a meritocracy for the brightest legal minds. This has changed over the past generation as the Court has become increasingly politicized and other considerations have come into play. However, one thing to keep in mind is that "meritocracy" for attorneys -- and especially judges -- necessarily incorporates an ethical/moral component. It's written right into our ethical codes. It's why attorneys lionize Atticus Finch. There very much is a heroic ideal that most attorneys aspire to. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On September 29 2018 01:23 xDaunt wrote: What, is it really so hard to believe that there are truly decent people out there? This is one of the major problems that I have with the current Leftist influence on culture: we aren't allowed to have true heroes anymore. Everyone is necessarily flawed. Paragons don't exist. Everything is gray. In my opinion, this particular strain of Leftist nihilism is particularly harmful to young men/boys, who need true heroes to aspire to. nah i just dont think kavanaugh and the georgetown prep jocks are such paragons. but they pretend to be | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 29 2018 02:01 IgnE wrote: you should look at some of the stuff rick posner has said about the supreme court’s method of picking judges. he’s obviously a bit bitter about the whole thing but hes not totally wrong Yes, Posner should have been appointed, and in a previous era, he'd have been on the bench already. | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
On September 29 2018 01:23 xDaunt wrote: What, is it really so hard to believe that there are truly decent people out there? This is one of the major problems that I have with the current Leftist influence on culture: we aren't allowed to have true heroes anymore. Everyone is necessarily flawed. Paragons don't exist. Everything is gray. In my opinion, this particular strain of Leftist nihilism is particularly harmful to young men/boys, who need true heroes to aspire to. From a perspective of someone who you would probably for onto that group of "young men/boys," most people my age tend to not think too much on character; high school felt much more achievement-driven, to the point of neglecting what kind of person you really are. If you ask someone who they look up to, you might get some answers; ask why, and their coherence goes away pretty fast. I actually got asked that question recently, and my answer was that I can't look up to any one person for everything; I aspire to different people in different areas of my life, including people on this forum for their willingness to at least entertain opposing ideas, even if they disagree. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
I look with horror at how the media treated Kavanaugh’s career and personal life as an adult. He volunteers as a coach for women’s sports. He specifically searched out qualified women for clerking positions. They all respect him. There’s no pattern of abuse or MeToo anywhere that anyone can dig up. But these things are discarded because of what one person said he did in high school. And his lifetime of professional conduct counts for nothing compared to evidence-deficient allegations. This is some serious banana republic bullshit if you ask me. I think future polling will show mothers don’t want their sons subject to decade-long presumption of guilt hanging over them in job applications or public life. Wives don’t want their husbands reputations hanging on whatever a former classmate might say was her experience in high school. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On September 29 2018 02:20 Danglars wrote: I can agree that certain leftist thought declared that there are no heroes, and all there are among the rest are victims and oppressors and you have to champion the cause of the oppressed to be a moral person. I look with horror at how the media treated Kavanaugh’s career and personal life as an adult. He volunteers as a coach for women’s sports. He specifically searched out qualified women for clerking positions. They all respect him. There’s no pattern of abuse or MeToo anywhere that anyone can dig up. But these things are discarded because of what one person said he did in high school. And his lifetime of professional conduct counts for nothing compared to evidence-deficient allegations. This is some serious banana republic bullshit if you ask me. I think future polling will show mothers don’t want their sons subject to decade-long presumption of guilt hanging over them in job applications or public life. Wives don’t want their husbands reputations hanging on whatever a former classmate might say was her experience in high school. I'm sure people made similar arguments about a lot of priests and the Catholic church in general. Doesn't make Kavanaugh guilty, but it doesn't put him above reproach either. It's a shitty situation all around but speaking from a bit of experience, if women want people to believe that these upstanding moral people are actually attacking them and lying about it, they better get it on camera. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On September 29 2018 01:52 xDaunt wrote: The Supreme Court traditionally has been thought of as a meritocracy for the brightest legal minds. This has changed over the past generation as the Court has become increasingly politicized and other considerations have come into play. However, one thing to keep in mind is that "meritocracy" for attorneys -- and especially judges -- necessarily incorporates an ethical/moral component. It's written right into our ethical codes. It's why attorneys lionize Atticus Finch. There very much is a heroic ideal that most attorneys aspire to. Would you say Kavanaugh is of the meritocracy breed or political? Christians (or pick an applicable religion) also deify Jesus but the Catholic church (including the Pope) oversaw one of the biggest child sex crime conspiracies in the country and world's history (with almost no one being held accountable), the prosperity gospel sects, and televangelists all literally worship Jesus, how many of the top figures are on top for their supreme likeness to Jesus and not politics/power/money? EDIT: This investigation stunt from Flake is pointless other than providing political cover for various parties and appeasing the "civility" crowd. (do as I say not as I do) This is the only good thing I've seen come out of this Kavanaugh hearing yet | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
I hope McConnell give Flake the middle finger and rallies the rest of the republicans to support Kavanaugh on Tuesday. EDIT: And LOL at that Pulp Fiction mash up. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On September 29 2018 03:46 xDaunt wrote: Flake is an imbecile and a disgrace. What the fuck does he think is going to happen if the FBI investigates? There is no new information that they're going to get it. All of the witnesses are already on record. The FBI can't compel anyone to talk to them. Does he think that an FBI investigation that exonerates Kavanaugh is going to result in the Democrats magically voting for him? Fuck no! All his proposed delay would do is give Democrats another week to dig up another incredible woman to claim that Kavanaugh is guilty of sexual misconduct. Given that we are at rape trains with accuser #3, it seems predetermined that the next allegation is going to involve snuff films. I hope McConnell give Flake the middle finger and rallies the rest of the republicans to support Kavanaugh on Tuesday. EDIT: And LOL at that Pulp Fiction mash up. Ford is sure she was attacked by Kav and has sworn to it. I haven't bothered looking into the other claims but by nature of her testimony hers stands above the rest (for better or worse). The investigation is just the resolution wrapping up the Kavendrama for everyone to save some face. They need you mad at Flake as much as they need you mad at Democrats and this is that. Don't think for a moment Flake isn't part of the game. He's basically like a heel in wrestling. The Graham part of it sent me over the edge, it was too good not to share. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 29 2018 03:46 xDaunt wrote: Flake is an imbecile and a disgrace. What the fuck does he think is going to happen if the FBI investigates? There is no new information that they're going to get it. All of the witnesses are already on record. The FBI can't compel anyone to talk to them. Does he think that an FBI investigation that exonerates Kavanaugh is going to result in the Democrats magically voting for him? Fuck no! All his proposed delay would do is give Democrats another week to dig up another incredible woman to claim that Kavanaugh is guilty of sexual misconduct. Given that we are at rape trains with accuser #3, it seems predetermined that the next allegation is going to involve snuff films. I hope McConnell give Flake the middle finger and rallies the rest of the republicans to support Kavanaugh on Tuesday. EDIT: And LOL at that Pulp Fiction mash up. On September 28 2018 13:00 xDaunt wrote: No republican in their right mind would vote no on Kavanaugh given the baselessness of the accusations and the political horseshit pulled by the democrats. I gotta say, this is about the same. Squishes trying to get brownie points for flipping. They want more cover for voting no, because they’re insufficiently brave to stand for anything. My money’s still on Collins and Murkowski changing sides. The Democrats only need another few days to muddle the issue further. Edit: update WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski said on Friday she supported the idea of a delay in the planned Senate vote on U.S. Supreme court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, making it more likely that Republican leaders will have to agree to the idea. Speaking of the devil! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: yeah, it’s looking like more than a few Republicans want the FBI toncheck if any of these charges have merit. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 29 2018 02:07 Howie_Dewitt wrote: From a perspective of someone who you would probably for onto that group of "young men/boys," most people my age tend to not think too much on character; high school felt much more achievement-driven, to the point of neglecting what kind of person you really are. If you ask someone who they look up to, you might get some answers; ask why, and their coherence goes away pretty fast. I actually got asked that question recently, and my answer was that I can't look up to any one person for everything; I aspire to different people in different areas of my life, including people on this forum for their willingness to at least entertain opposing ideas, even if they disagree. Why do you think this is? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
I think it's not because of left leaning thought, but because of right leaning thought that makes someone's net worth reflective of their quality as a human being. I remember being younger and not understanding why people would intentionally take paths that wouldn't lead to substantial wealth. Now I struggle to imagine how wealthy people ignore the suffering around them and bury it in expensive things. I have a hard time not giving random homeless people a little something, I can't imagine being Bezos and being able to afford to house every homeless person in my state and just be like "nah I'd rather by a new yacht". Wealth is celebrated far more than good character and you have capitalism and right leaning orthodoxy to thank for that, not that liberal orthodoxy doesn't celebrate personal wealth in it's own ways as well though. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12534 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 29 2018 09:57 Nebuchad wrote: No one told me that you guys were here :/ Welcome to the resistance? | ||
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