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On December 13 2018 03:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 03:04 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:47 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:34 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:20 xDaunt wrote:This is starting to get even more outrageous: Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, who arranged the bureau's interview with then-national security adviser Michael Flynn at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 — the interview that ultimately led to Flynn's guilty plea on one count of making false statements — suggested Flynn not have a lawyer present at the session, according to newly-filed court documents. In addition, FBI officials, along with the two agents who interviewed Flynn, decided specifically not to warn him that there would be penalties for making false statements because the agents wanted to ensure that Flynn was "relaxed" during the session.
The new information, drawn from McCabe's account of events plus the FBI agents' writeup of the interview — the so-called 302 report — is contained in a sentencing memo filed Tuesday by Flynn's defense team.
Citing McCabe's account, the sentencing memo says that shortly after noon on Jan. 24 — the fourth day of the new Trump administration — McCabe called Flynn on a secure phone in Flynn's West Wing office. The two men discussed business briefly and then McCabe said that he "felt that we needed to have two of our agents sit down" with Flynn to discuss Flynn's talks with Russian officials during the presidential transition.
McCabe, by his own account, urged Flynn to talk to the agents alone, without a lawyer present. "I explained that I thought the quickest way to get this done was to have a conversation between [Flynn] and the agents only," McCabe wrote. "I further stated that if LTG Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting, like the White House counsel for instance, that I would need to involve the Department of Justice. [Flynn] stated that this would not be necessary and agreed to meet with the agents without any additional participants."
Within two hours, the agents were in Flynn's office. According to the 302 report quoted in the Flynn sentencing document, the agents said Flynn was "relaxed and jocular" and offered the agents "a little tour" of his part of the White House.
"The agents did not provide Gen. Flynn with a warning of the penalties for making a false statement under 18 U.S.C. 1001 before, during, or after the interview," the Flynn memo says. According to the 302, before the interview, McCabe and other FBI officials "decided the agents would not warn Flynn that it was a crime to lie during an FBI interview because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed, and they were concerned that giving the warnings might adversely affect the rapport."
The agents had, of course, seen transcripts of Flynn's wiretapped conversations with Russian then-ambassador Sergey Kislyak. "Before the interview, FBI officials had also decided that if 'Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used ... to try to refresh his recollection. If Flynn still would not confirm what he said ... they would not confront him or talk him through it,'" the Flynn memo says, citing the FBI 302.
"One of the agents reported that Gen. Flynn was 'unguarded' during the interview and 'clearly saw the FBI agents as allies,'" the Flynn memo says, again citing the 302.
Later in the memo, Flynn's lawyers argue that the FBI treated Flynn differently from two other Trump-Russia figures who have pleaded guilty to and been sentenced for making false statements. One of them, Alexander Van der Zwaan, "was represented by counsel during the interview; he was interviewed at a time when there was a publicly disclosed, full-bore investigation regarding Russian interference in the 2016 election; and he was given a warning that it is a federal crime to lie during the interview," according to the memo. The other, George Papadopoulos, "was specifically notified of the seriousness of the investigation...was warned that lying to investigators was a 'federal offense'...had time to reflect on his answers...and met with the FBI the following month for a further set of interviews, accompanied by his counsel, and did not correct his false statements."
The message of the sentencing memo is clear: Flynn, his lawyers suggest, was surprised, rushed, not warned of the context or seriousness of the questioning, and discouraged from having a lawyer present. Source. So let's just summarize. McCabe had the transcript of the call between Flynn and Kislyak from the FISA surveillance. He set up an interview with Flynn, and discouraged Flynn from having a lawyer present. He further did not warn Flynn that he was being investigated and that his comments to the FBI agents could be used against him. The FBI agents then used the 302 memos to artificially construct a "lying to the feds" case against Flynn based upon Flynn's answer that he did not remember the call with Kislyak when the Feds never bothered to try to refresh his recollection (let's not forget that McCabe altered the 302 memos). And while all of this is going on, we have Strozk and Page exchanging the following text messages: ![[image loading]](https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/flynn-page-1.jpg) These people all need to burn. And given the reporting by Sara Carter and John Solomon on Hannity last night about there being "lots of sealed indictments," it looks like their time is going to come sooner rather than later. You are telling me a 3 star general and national security adviser didn’t know the FBI doesn’t show up for friendly visits at random? Or that lying to them might be a criminal offense when they show up asking questions? Or that the widely reported active investigation into the Trump campaign would include him, a memeber of the Trump campaign? Are you saying Mike Flynn is a fucking moron and got caught because he is a fucking moron? And everyone from Obama to Sallie Yates told Trump that Flynn was bad news and a fucking moron? Flynn is a bad criminal and got busted because he is a bad criminal. Is Flynn a "bad criminal" if he doesn't even go to prison? He has a good lawyer and cut a plea deal, which is a good way to avoid prison. So he was smart enough to realize he was a bad criminal. I suppose he could be a bad criminal and just that his crimes were insignificant. Or he is more valuable as a witness to get far more impressive criminal actors. We're pretty much down to Manafort as the only person really on the hook and granted I don't follow the nuance of this stuff very closely I don't think the two are really related? Is there speculation as to what he would be saying about whom to the effect of what you're suggesting?
Well, this goes to the issue of what was redacted in Mueller's sentencing memo for Flynn. I highly doubt any of it related to Manafort. One of the investigations probably has to do with Turkey. Who knows about the other one.
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On December 13 2018 03:14 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 03:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 03:04 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:47 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:34 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:20 xDaunt wrote:This is starting to get even more outrageous: Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, who arranged the bureau's interview with then-national security adviser Michael Flynn at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 — the interview that ultimately led to Flynn's guilty plea on one count of making false statements — suggested Flynn not have a lawyer present at the session, according to newly-filed court documents. In addition, FBI officials, along with the two agents who interviewed Flynn, decided specifically not to warn him that there would be penalties for making false statements because the agents wanted to ensure that Flynn was "relaxed" during the session.
The new information, drawn from McCabe's account of events plus the FBI agents' writeup of the interview — the so-called 302 report — is contained in a sentencing memo filed Tuesday by Flynn's defense team.
Citing McCabe's account, the sentencing memo says that shortly after noon on Jan. 24 — the fourth day of the new Trump administration — McCabe called Flynn on a secure phone in Flynn's West Wing office. The two men discussed business briefly and then McCabe said that he "felt that we needed to have two of our agents sit down" with Flynn to discuss Flynn's talks with Russian officials during the presidential transition.
McCabe, by his own account, urged Flynn to talk to the agents alone, without a lawyer present. "I explained that I thought the quickest way to get this done was to have a conversation between [Flynn] and the agents only," McCabe wrote. "I further stated that if LTG Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting, like the White House counsel for instance, that I would need to involve the Department of Justice. [Flynn] stated that this would not be necessary and agreed to meet with the agents without any additional participants."
Within two hours, the agents were in Flynn's office. According to the 302 report quoted in the Flynn sentencing document, the agents said Flynn was "relaxed and jocular" and offered the agents "a little tour" of his part of the White House.
"The agents did not provide Gen. Flynn with a warning of the penalties for making a false statement under 18 U.S.C. 1001 before, during, or after the interview," the Flynn memo says. According to the 302, before the interview, McCabe and other FBI officials "decided the agents would not warn Flynn that it was a crime to lie during an FBI interview because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed, and they were concerned that giving the warnings might adversely affect the rapport."
The agents had, of course, seen transcripts of Flynn's wiretapped conversations with Russian then-ambassador Sergey Kislyak. "Before the interview, FBI officials had also decided that if 'Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used ... to try to refresh his recollection. If Flynn still would not confirm what he said ... they would not confront him or talk him through it,'" the Flynn memo says, citing the FBI 302.
"One of the agents reported that Gen. Flynn was 'unguarded' during the interview and 'clearly saw the FBI agents as allies,'" the Flynn memo says, again citing the 302.
Later in the memo, Flynn's lawyers argue that the FBI treated Flynn differently from two other Trump-Russia figures who have pleaded guilty to and been sentenced for making false statements. One of them, Alexander Van der Zwaan, "was represented by counsel during the interview; he was interviewed at a time when there was a publicly disclosed, full-bore investigation regarding Russian interference in the 2016 election; and he was given a warning that it is a federal crime to lie during the interview," according to the memo. The other, George Papadopoulos, "was specifically notified of the seriousness of the investigation...was warned that lying to investigators was a 'federal offense'...had time to reflect on his answers...and met with the FBI the following month for a further set of interviews, accompanied by his counsel, and did not correct his false statements."
The message of the sentencing memo is clear: Flynn, his lawyers suggest, was surprised, rushed, not warned of the context or seriousness of the questioning, and discouraged from having a lawyer present. Source. So let's just summarize. McCabe had the transcript of the call between Flynn and Kislyak from the FISA surveillance. He set up an interview with Flynn, and discouraged Flynn from having a lawyer present. He further did not warn Flynn that he was being investigated and that his comments to the FBI agents could be used against him. The FBI agents then used the 302 memos to artificially construct a "lying to the feds" case against Flynn based upon Flynn's answer that he did not remember the call with Kislyak when the Feds never bothered to try to refresh his recollection (let's not forget that McCabe altered the 302 memos). And while all of this is going on, we have Strozk and Page exchanging the following text messages: These people all need to burn. And given the reporting by Sara Carter and John Solomon on Hannity last night about there being "lots of sealed indictments," it looks like their time is going to come sooner rather than later. You are telling me a 3 star general and national security adviser didn’t know the FBI doesn’t show up for friendly visits at random? Or that lying to them might be a criminal offense when they show up asking questions? Or that the widely reported active investigation into the Trump campaign would include him, a memeber of the Trump campaign? Are you saying Mike Flynn is a fucking moron and got caught because he is a fucking moron? And everyone from Obama to Sallie Yates told Trump that Flynn was bad news and a fucking moron? Flynn is a bad criminal and got busted because he is a bad criminal. Is Flynn a "bad criminal" if he doesn't even go to prison? He has a good lawyer and cut a plea deal, which is a good way to avoid prison. So he was smart enough to realize he was a bad criminal. I suppose he could be a bad criminal and just that his crimes were insignificant. Or he is more valuable as a witness to get far more impressive criminal actors. We're pretty much down to Manafort as the only person really on the hook and granted I don't follow the nuance of this stuff very closely I don't think the two are really related? Is there speculation as to what he would be saying about whom to the effect of what you're suggesting? Well, this goes to the issue of what was redacted in Mueller's sentencing memo for Flynn. I highly doubt any of it related to Manafort. One of the investigations probably has to do with Turkey. Who knows about the other one.
I think I remember people speculating that stuff is aimed at Trump's kids or something. The Trump family isn't going down for any of this. Either Trump wins in 2020 and it all goes away or he loses in 2020 and we have another "we need to look forward" Democrat.
Yet people are still following the drama of this like the ending hasn't been obvious from day 1.
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On December 13 2018 03:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 03:04 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:47 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:34 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:20 xDaunt wrote:This is starting to get even more outrageous: Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, who arranged the bureau's interview with then-national security adviser Michael Flynn at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 — the interview that ultimately led to Flynn's guilty plea on one count of making false statements — suggested Flynn not have a lawyer present at the session, according to newly-filed court documents. In addition, FBI officials, along with the two agents who interviewed Flynn, decided specifically not to warn him that there would be penalties for making false statements because the agents wanted to ensure that Flynn was "relaxed" during the session.
The new information, drawn from McCabe's account of events plus the FBI agents' writeup of the interview — the so-called 302 report — is contained in a sentencing memo filed Tuesday by Flynn's defense team.
Citing McCabe's account, the sentencing memo says that shortly after noon on Jan. 24 — the fourth day of the new Trump administration — McCabe called Flynn on a secure phone in Flynn's West Wing office. The two men discussed business briefly and then McCabe said that he "felt that we needed to have two of our agents sit down" with Flynn to discuss Flynn's talks with Russian officials during the presidential transition.
McCabe, by his own account, urged Flynn to talk to the agents alone, without a lawyer present. "I explained that I thought the quickest way to get this done was to have a conversation between [Flynn] and the agents only," McCabe wrote. "I further stated that if LTG Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting, like the White House counsel for instance, that I would need to involve the Department of Justice. [Flynn] stated that this would not be necessary and agreed to meet with the agents without any additional participants."
Within two hours, the agents were in Flynn's office. According to the 302 report quoted in the Flynn sentencing document, the agents said Flynn was "relaxed and jocular" and offered the agents "a little tour" of his part of the White House.
"The agents did not provide Gen. Flynn with a warning of the penalties for making a false statement under 18 U.S.C. 1001 before, during, or after the interview," the Flynn memo says. According to the 302, before the interview, McCabe and other FBI officials "decided the agents would not warn Flynn that it was a crime to lie during an FBI interview because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed, and they were concerned that giving the warnings might adversely affect the rapport."
The agents had, of course, seen transcripts of Flynn's wiretapped conversations with Russian then-ambassador Sergey Kislyak. "Before the interview, FBI officials had also decided that if 'Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used ... to try to refresh his recollection. If Flynn still would not confirm what he said ... they would not confront him or talk him through it,'" the Flynn memo says, citing the FBI 302.
"One of the agents reported that Gen. Flynn was 'unguarded' during the interview and 'clearly saw the FBI agents as allies,'" the Flynn memo says, again citing the 302.
Later in the memo, Flynn's lawyers argue that the FBI treated Flynn differently from two other Trump-Russia figures who have pleaded guilty to and been sentenced for making false statements. One of them, Alexander Van der Zwaan, "was represented by counsel during the interview; he was interviewed at a time when there was a publicly disclosed, full-bore investigation regarding Russian interference in the 2016 election; and he was given a warning that it is a federal crime to lie during the interview," according to the memo. The other, George Papadopoulos, "was specifically notified of the seriousness of the investigation...was warned that lying to investigators was a 'federal offense'...had time to reflect on his answers...and met with the FBI the following month for a further set of interviews, accompanied by his counsel, and did not correct his false statements."
The message of the sentencing memo is clear: Flynn, his lawyers suggest, was surprised, rushed, not warned of the context or seriousness of the questioning, and discouraged from having a lawyer present. Source. So let's just summarize. McCabe had the transcript of the call between Flynn and Kislyak from the FISA surveillance. He set up an interview with Flynn, and discouraged Flynn from having a lawyer present. He further did not warn Flynn that he was being investigated and that his comments to the FBI agents could be used against him. The FBI agents then used the 302 memos to artificially construct a "lying to the feds" case against Flynn based upon Flynn's answer that he did not remember the call with Kislyak when the Feds never bothered to try to refresh his recollection (let's not forget that McCabe altered the 302 memos). And while all of this is going on, we have Strozk and Page exchanging the following text messages: These people all need to burn. And given the reporting by Sara Carter and John Solomon on Hannity last night about there being "lots of sealed indictments," it looks like their time is going to come sooner rather than later. You are telling me a 3 star general and national security adviser didn’t know the FBI doesn’t show up for friendly visits at random? Or that lying to them might be a criminal offense when they show up asking questions? Or that the widely reported active investigation into the Trump campaign would include him, a memeber of the Trump campaign? Are you saying Mike Flynn is a fucking moron and got caught because he is a fucking moron? And everyone from Obama to Sallie Yates told Trump that Flynn was bad news and a fucking moron? Flynn is a bad criminal and got busted because he is a bad criminal. Is Flynn a "bad criminal" if he doesn't even go to prison? He has a good lawyer and cut a plea deal, which is a good way to avoid prison. So he was smart enough to realize he was a bad criminal. I suppose he could be a bad criminal and just that his crimes were insignificant. Or he is more valuable as a witness to get far more impressive criminal actors. We're pretty much down to Manafort as the only person really on the hook and granted I don't follow the nuance of this stuff very closely I don't think the two are really related? Is there speculation as to what he would be saying about whom to the effect of what you're suggesting?
There are at least two other investigations not related to the Meuller investigation. And an unknown number of people on the Trump team. Given the level of exposure Trumps kids hav had, I bet a least Trump Jr might have some problems. And Jared may as well since he was looking for loans from foreign countries long before he started working for the government.
But we don’t know yet. A lot of it is under wraps. Flynn meet with Mueller 19 times, which is a whole lot more than is normal for a corporating witness.
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On December 13 2018 03:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 03:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 03:04 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:47 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:34 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:20 xDaunt wrote:This is starting to get even more outrageous: Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, who arranged the bureau's interview with then-national security adviser Michael Flynn at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 — the interview that ultimately led to Flynn's guilty plea on one count of making false statements — suggested Flynn not have a lawyer present at the session, according to newly-filed court documents. In addition, FBI officials, along with the two agents who interviewed Flynn, decided specifically not to warn him that there would be penalties for making false statements because the agents wanted to ensure that Flynn was "relaxed" during the session.
The new information, drawn from McCabe's account of events plus the FBI agents' writeup of the interview — the so-called 302 report — is contained in a sentencing memo filed Tuesday by Flynn's defense team.
Citing McCabe's account, the sentencing memo says that shortly after noon on Jan. 24 — the fourth day of the new Trump administration — McCabe called Flynn on a secure phone in Flynn's West Wing office. The two men discussed business briefly and then McCabe said that he "felt that we needed to have two of our agents sit down" with Flynn to discuss Flynn's talks with Russian officials during the presidential transition.
McCabe, by his own account, urged Flynn to talk to the agents alone, without a lawyer present. "I explained that I thought the quickest way to get this done was to have a conversation between [Flynn] and the agents only," McCabe wrote. "I further stated that if LTG Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting, like the White House counsel for instance, that I would need to involve the Department of Justice. [Flynn] stated that this would not be necessary and agreed to meet with the agents without any additional participants."
Within two hours, the agents were in Flynn's office. According to the 302 report quoted in the Flynn sentencing document, the agents said Flynn was "relaxed and jocular" and offered the agents "a little tour" of his part of the White House.
"The agents did not provide Gen. Flynn with a warning of the penalties for making a false statement under 18 U.S.C. 1001 before, during, or after the interview," the Flynn memo says. According to the 302, before the interview, McCabe and other FBI officials "decided the agents would not warn Flynn that it was a crime to lie during an FBI interview because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed, and they were concerned that giving the warnings might adversely affect the rapport."
The agents had, of course, seen transcripts of Flynn's wiretapped conversations with Russian then-ambassador Sergey Kislyak. "Before the interview, FBI officials had also decided that if 'Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used ... to try to refresh his recollection. If Flynn still would not confirm what he said ... they would not confront him or talk him through it,'" the Flynn memo says, citing the FBI 302.
"One of the agents reported that Gen. Flynn was 'unguarded' during the interview and 'clearly saw the FBI agents as allies,'" the Flynn memo says, again citing the 302.
Later in the memo, Flynn's lawyers argue that the FBI treated Flynn differently from two other Trump-Russia figures who have pleaded guilty to and been sentenced for making false statements. One of them, Alexander Van der Zwaan, "was represented by counsel during the interview; he was interviewed at a time when there was a publicly disclosed, full-bore investigation regarding Russian interference in the 2016 election; and he was given a warning that it is a federal crime to lie during the interview," according to the memo. The other, George Papadopoulos, "was specifically notified of the seriousness of the investigation...was warned that lying to investigators was a 'federal offense'...had time to reflect on his answers...and met with the FBI the following month for a further set of interviews, accompanied by his counsel, and did not correct his false statements."
The message of the sentencing memo is clear: Flynn, his lawyers suggest, was surprised, rushed, not warned of the context or seriousness of the questioning, and discouraged from having a lawyer present. Source. So let's just summarize. McCabe had the transcript of the call between Flynn and Kislyak from the FISA surveillance. He set up an interview with Flynn, and discouraged Flynn from having a lawyer present. He further did not warn Flynn that he was being investigated and that his comments to the FBI agents could be used against him. The FBI agents then used the 302 memos to artificially construct a "lying to the feds" case against Flynn based upon Flynn's answer that he did not remember the call with Kislyak when the Feds never bothered to try to refresh his recollection (let's not forget that McCabe altered the 302 memos). And while all of this is going on, we have Strozk and Page exchanging the following text messages: These people all need to burn. And given the reporting by Sara Carter and John Solomon on Hannity last night about there being "lots of sealed indictments," it looks like their time is going to come sooner rather than later. You are telling me a 3 star general and national security adviser didn’t know the FBI doesn’t show up for friendly visits at random? Or that lying to them might be a criminal offense when they show up asking questions? Or that the widely reported active investigation into the Trump campaign would include him, a memeber of the Trump campaign? Are you saying Mike Flynn is a fucking moron and got caught because he is a fucking moron? And everyone from Obama to Sallie Yates told Trump that Flynn was bad news and a fucking moron? Flynn is a bad criminal and got busted because he is a bad criminal. Is Flynn a "bad criminal" if he doesn't even go to prison? He has a good lawyer and cut a plea deal, which is a good way to avoid prison. So he was smart enough to realize he was a bad criminal. I suppose he could be a bad criminal and just that his crimes were insignificant. Or he is more valuable as a witness to get far more impressive criminal actors. We're pretty much down to Manafort as the only person really on the hook and granted I don't follow the nuance of this stuff very closely I don't think the two are really related? Is there speculation as to what he would be saying about whom to the effect of what you're suggesting? There are at least two other investigations not related to the Meuller investigation. And an unknown number of people on the Trump team. Given the level of exposure Trumps kids hav had, I bet a least Trump Jr might have some problems. And Jared may as well since he was looking for loans from foreign countries long before he started working for the government. But we don’t know yet. A lot of it is under wraps. Flynn meet with Mueller 19 times, which is a whole lot more than is normal for a corporating witness.
If they aren't related to the Mueller investigation then it sounds like Trump's family is the opposite direction it would be going. I have mixed feelings about Trump winning and the government conspiring to finally hold his associates accountable for shit they did before that and would have been ignored if he lost.
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On December 13 2018 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 03:24 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 03:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 03:04 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:47 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:34 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:20 xDaunt wrote:This is starting to get even more outrageous: Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, who arranged the bureau's interview with then-national security adviser Michael Flynn at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017 — the interview that ultimately led to Flynn's guilty plea on one count of making false statements — suggested Flynn not have a lawyer present at the session, according to newly-filed court documents. In addition, FBI officials, along with the two agents who interviewed Flynn, decided specifically not to warn him that there would be penalties for making false statements because the agents wanted to ensure that Flynn was "relaxed" during the session.
The new information, drawn from McCabe's account of events plus the FBI agents' writeup of the interview — the so-called 302 report — is contained in a sentencing memo filed Tuesday by Flynn's defense team.
Citing McCabe's account, the sentencing memo says that shortly after noon on Jan. 24 — the fourth day of the new Trump administration — McCabe called Flynn on a secure phone in Flynn's West Wing office. The two men discussed business briefly and then McCabe said that he "felt that we needed to have two of our agents sit down" with Flynn to discuss Flynn's talks with Russian officials during the presidential transition.
McCabe, by his own account, urged Flynn to talk to the agents alone, without a lawyer present. "I explained that I thought the quickest way to get this done was to have a conversation between [Flynn] and the agents only," McCabe wrote. "I further stated that if LTG Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting, like the White House counsel for instance, that I would need to involve the Department of Justice. [Flynn] stated that this would not be necessary and agreed to meet with the agents without any additional participants."
Within two hours, the agents were in Flynn's office. According to the 302 report quoted in the Flynn sentencing document, the agents said Flynn was "relaxed and jocular" and offered the agents "a little tour" of his part of the White House.
"The agents did not provide Gen. Flynn with a warning of the penalties for making a false statement under 18 U.S.C. 1001 before, during, or after the interview," the Flynn memo says. According to the 302, before the interview, McCabe and other FBI officials "decided the agents would not warn Flynn that it was a crime to lie during an FBI interview because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed, and they were concerned that giving the warnings might adversely affect the rapport."
The agents had, of course, seen transcripts of Flynn's wiretapped conversations with Russian then-ambassador Sergey Kislyak. "Before the interview, FBI officials had also decided that if 'Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used ... to try to refresh his recollection. If Flynn still would not confirm what he said ... they would not confront him or talk him through it,'" the Flynn memo says, citing the FBI 302.
"One of the agents reported that Gen. Flynn was 'unguarded' during the interview and 'clearly saw the FBI agents as allies,'" the Flynn memo says, again citing the 302.
Later in the memo, Flynn's lawyers argue that the FBI treated Flynn differently from two other Trump-Russia figures who have pleaded guilty to and been sentenced for making false statements. One of them, Alexander Van der Zwaan, "was represented by counsel during the interview; he was interviewed at a time when there was a publicly disclosed, full-bore investigation regarding Russian interference in the 2016 election; and he was given a warning that it is a federal crime to lie during the interview," according to the memo. The other, George Papadopoulos, "was specifically notified of the seriousness of the investigation...was warned that lying to investigators was a 'federal offense'...had time to reflect on his answers...and met with the FBI the following month for a further set of interviews, accompanied by his counsel, and did not correct his false statements."
The message of the sentencing memo is clear: Flynn, his lawyers suggest, was surprised, rushed, not warned of the context or seriousness of the questioning, and discouraged from having a lawyer present. Source. So let's just summarize. McCabe had the transcript of the call between Flynn and Kislyak from the FISA surveillance. He set up an interview with Flynn, and discouraged Flynn from having a lawyer present. He further did not warn Flynn that he was being investigated and that his comments to the FBI agents could be used against him. The FBI agents then used the 302 memos to artificially construct a "lying to the feds" case against Flynn based upon Flynn's answer that he did not remember the call with Kislyak when the Feds never bothered to try to refresh his recollection (let's not forget that McCabe altered the 302 memos). And while all of this is going on, we have Strozk and Page exchanging the following text messages: These people all need to burn. And given the reporting by Sara Carter and John Solomon on Hannity last night about there being "lots of sealed indictments," it looks like their time is going to come sooner rather than later. You are telling me a 3 star general and national security adviser didn’t know the FBI doesn’t show up for friendly visits at random? Or that lying to them might be a criminal offense when they show up asking questions? Or that the widely reported active investigation into the Trump campaign would include him, a memeber of the Trump campaign? Are you saying Mike Flynn is a fucking moron and got caught because he is a fucking moron? And everyone from Obama to Sallie Yates told Trump that Flynn was bad news and a fucking moron? Flynn is a bad criminal and got busted because he is a bad criminal. Is Flynn a "bad criminal" if he doesn't even go to prison? He has a good lawyer and cut a plea deal, which is a good way to avoid prison. So he was smart enough to realize he was a bad criminal. I suppose he could be a bad criminal and just that his crimes were insignificant. Or he is more valuable as a witness to get far more impressive criminal actors. We're pretty much down to Manafort as the only person really on the hook and granted I don't follow the nuance of this stuff very closely I don't think the two are really related? Is there speculation as to what he would be saying about whom to the effect of what you're suggesting? There are at least two other investigations not related to the Meuller investigation. And an unknown number of people on the Trump team. Given the level of exposure Trumps kids hav had, I bet a least Trump Jr might have some problems. And Jared may as well since he was looking for loans from foreign countries long before he started working for the government. But we don’t know yet. A lot of it is under wraps. Flynn meet with Mueller 19 times, which is a whole lot more than is normal for a corporating witness. If they aren't related to the Mueller investigation then it sounds like Trump's family is the opposite direction it would be going. I have mixed feelings about Trump winning and the government conspiring to finally hold his associates accountable for shit they did before that and would have been ignored if he lost.
Ok. He is helping the Meuller investigative and also helping two other unrelated investigations. He is helping all investigations. We don’t know who else will be charged with what at this time.
And the government didn’t conspire to hold him accountable after the fact. The investigation predated him winning. It just has taken the amount of time investigations take. Just like watergate.
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On December 13 2018 03:40 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 03:24 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 03:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 03:04 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:47 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:34 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:20 xDaunt wrote:This is starting to get even more outrageous: [quote] Source. So let's just summarize. McCabe had the transcript of the call between Flynn and Kislyak from the FISA surveillance. He set up an interview with Flynn, and discouraged Flynn from having a lawyer present. He further did not warn Flynn that he was being investigated and that his comments to the FBI agents could be used against him. The FBI agents then used the 302 memos to artificially construct a "lying to the feds" case against Flynn based upon Flynn's answer that he did not remember the call with Kislyak when the Feds never bothered to try to refresh his recollection (let's not forget that McCabe altered the 302 memos). And while all of this is going on, we have Strozk and Page exchanging the following text messages: These people all need to burn. And given the reporting by Sara Carter and John Solomon on Hannity last night about there being "lots of sealed indictments," it looks like their time is going to come sooner rather than later. You are telling me a 3 star general and national security adviser didn’t know the FBI doesn’t show up for friendly visits at random? Or that lying to them might be a criminal offense when they show up asking questions? Or that the widely reported active investigation into the Trump campaign would include him, a memeber of the Trump campaign? Are you saying Mike Flynn is a fucking moron and got caught because he is a fucking moron? And everyone from Obama to Sallie Yates told Trump that Flynn was bad news and a fucking moron? Flynn is a bad criminal and got busted because he is a bad criminal. Is Flynn a "bad criminal" if he doesn't even go to prison? He has a good lawyer and cut a plea deal, which is a good way to avoid prison. So he was smart enough to realize he was a bad criminal. I suppose he could be a bad criminal and just that his crimes were insignificant. Or he is more valuable as a witness to get far more impressive criminal actors. We're pretty much down to Manafort as the only person really on the hook and granted I don't follow the nuance of this stuff very closely I don't think the two are really related? Is there speculation as to what he would be saying about whom to the effect of what you're suggesting? There are at least two other investigations not related to the Meuller investigation. And an unknown number of people on the Trump team. Given the level of exposure Trumps kids hav had, I bet a least Trump Jr might have some problems. And Jared may as well since he was looking for loans from foreign countries long before he started working for the government. But we don’t know yet. A lot of it is under wraps. Flynn meet with Mueller 19 times, which is a whole lot more than is normal for a corporating witness. If they aren't related to the Mueller investigation then it sounds like Trump's family is the opposite direction it would be going. I have mixed feelings about Trump winning and the government conspiring to finally hold his associates accountable for shit they did before that and would have been ignored if he lost. Ok. He is helping the Meuller investigative and also helping two other unrelated investigations. He is helping all investigations. We don’t know who else will be charged with what at this time. And the government didn’t conspire to hold him accountable after the fact. The investigation predated him winning. It just has taken the amount of time investigations take. Just like watergate.
You actually think this happens without Trump running and winning? Of course not. No one, literally no one, is surprised Trump and associates are criminals. The only reason anyone is getting held accountable (if that's what we're calling this) is they got out of pocket with the presidential run and win.
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You are entitled to believe whatever you want. I’m not here to stop you.
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On December 13 2018 04:06 Plansix wrote:
You are entitled to believe whatever you want. I’m not here to stop you.
So that's a yes? You do believe Trump's crew were going to be getting indicted before they became part of Trump's winning presidential campaign?
That Flynn would have been hosed had he not gotten into the campaign and gotten some dirt on Trump to save his own ass?
Cohen was just about to lose his licence and get taken to town by the IRS?
Like com'on?
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Yes. I don’t think the case would be nearly as flashy or soak up the public’s attention, but the investigations would continue. It’s not like Trump would go quite if he lost too.
Flynn is a different animal. Without the job as NSA advisor, I don’t know if he would be a useful witness
Cohen was always at risk of losing his license. If he would have been found out would depend on people like Stormy D.
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On December 13 2018 04:17 Plansix wrote:
Yes. I don’t think the case would be nearly as flashy or soak up the public’s attention, but the investigations would continue. It’s not like Trump would go quite if he lost too.
Flynn is a different animal. Without the job as NSA advisor, I don’t know if he would be a useful witness
I mean I don't have to argue why I think it's ridiculous, I wanted to know whether you were just quipping ambiguously or actually believing it.
So that indicates to me that helping elect Trump, even if that took illegally paying off mistresses, was actually in Cohen's best interest. Same for Manafort and whatever it took for him. Your suggestion indicates they were hosed and by joining Trump, and helping him get elected (even if they committed more crimes in the process), they actually reduced their potential accountability/prison time for unrelated crimes they were going to get hit for anyway.
EDIT: Do people know what that plotline is usually is indicative of?
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On December 12 2018 23:43 Dromar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2018 21:11 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2018 13:49 xDaunt wrote:
So does anyone else think it odd that Trump had this impromptu televised meeting with Pelosi and Schumer today where he made a point of threatening to shut down the government over wall funding (something he has toyed with previously)? It was a notably aggressive move to make at this particular point in time. From reports he wanted it to be a photo op and tried send the cameras/press away. But Pelosi and Chuck sort of knew they were going to get ambushed(the meeting was supposed to be closed door) and talked to the press. Trump loses control of the whole thing when Pelosi calls it a Trump shut down and dares him to pass the bill out of the house. Trump got played pretty hard Every time Trump does something stupid people say he got played hard, but I'll believe it when I see it. The people who think (realize?) Trump is a moron think he got played hard and it looked really bad for him to threaten to shut down the government like a baby over a stupid, expensive, and ineffective wall. On the other hand, the people who are at least somewhat supportive of Trump probably saw it as him fighting hard against the evil dems to protect the country and fulfill a campaign promise. After all that we've been through and all the shit that Trump has pulled, I'll believe that "stupid stunt #1480" made an actual difference in people's minds when I see it with my own two eyes. My honest opinion of this stunt is that Trump was in control the entire time. He chose for it to be a public shitshow, he obviously knew what Pelosi/Shumer were gonna say. Even though I think Trump is monumentally stupid, I do believe that he has an instinctual ability to make things appear as he wants them to (at least when he's in complete control). Even little things like the fact that he was facing the cameras but Pelosi/Shumer were facing away, all that shit is the type of stuff Trump excels at. He's been living and breathing publicity stunts his entire life.
The critical mistake that Pelosi and Schumer made is that they let Trump frame the shutdown as a shutdown over border security. Stated another way, the government is going to shutdown because the Democrats don’t care about border security. The significance of this framing is eventually going to dawn on the Democrats, but make no mistake, Trump won yesterday.
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Not really. You adding a lot of your own opinions to mine. Criminals running for political office often draw the attention of law enforcement. And more importantly, reporters who dig up information that then leads law enforcement to places they never could have gotten to on their own.
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On December 13 2018 04:35 Plansix wrote:
Not really. You adding a lot of your own opinions to mine. Criminals running for political office often draw the attention of law enforcement. And more importantly, reporters who dig up information that then leads law enforcement to places they never could have gotten to on their own.
K so not really.
You've just amended your opinion to basically align with what I said in the first place. That these people are getting held accountable because of Trump's campaign and their association with it.
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On December 13 2018 04:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2018 23:43 Dromar wrote:On December 12 2018 21:11 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2018 13:49 xDaunt wrote:
So does anyone else think it odd that Trump had this impromptu televised meeting with Pelosi and Schumer today where he made a point of threatening to shut down the government over wall funding (something he has toyed with previously)? It was a notably aggressive move to make at this particular point in time. From reports he wanted it to be a photo op and tried send the cameras/press away. But Pelosi and Chuck sort of knew they were going to get ambushed(the meeting was supposed to be closed door) and talked to the press. Trump loses control of the whole thing when Pelosi calls it a Trump shut down and dares him to pass the bill out of the house. Trump got played pretty hard Every time Trump does something stupid people say he got played hard, but I'll believe it when I see it. The people who think (realize?) Trump is a moron think he got played hard and it looked really bad for him to threaten to shut down the government like a baby over a stupid, expensive, and ineffective wall. On the other hand, the people who are at least somewhat supportive of Trump probably saw it as him fighting hard against the evil dems to protect the country and fulfill a campaign promise. After all that we've been through and all the shit that Trump has pulled, I'll believe that "stupid stunt #1480" made an actual difference in people's minds when I see it with my own two eyes. My honest opinion of this stunt is that Trump was in control the entire time. He chose for it to be a public shitshow, he obviously knew what Pelosi/Shumer were gonna say. Even though I think Trump is monumentally stupid, I do believe that he has an instinctual ability to make things appear as he wants them to (at least when he's in complete control). Even little things like the fact that he was facing the cameras but Pelosi/Shumer were facing away, all that shit is the type of stuff Trump excels at. He's been living and breathing publicity stunts his entire life. The critical mistake that Pelosi and Schumer made is that they let Trump frame the shutdown as a shutdown over border security. Stated another way, the government is going to shutdown because the Democrats don’t care about border security. The significance of this framing is eventually going to dawn on the Democrats, but make no mistake, Trump won yesterday.
That doesn’t seem to match up with reality, polling or how the public feels on the issue of the wall and immigration. Trump sort of looked like an out of control child among adults.
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On December 13 2018 04:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 04:33 xDaunt wrote:On December 12 2018 23:43 Dromar wrote:On December 12 2018 21:11 Plansix wrote:On December 12 2018 13:49 xDaunt wrote:
So does anyone else think it odd that Trump had this impromptu televised meeting with Pelosi and Schumer today where he made a point of threatening to shut down the government over wall funding (something he has toyed with previously)? It was a notably aggressive move to make at this particular point in time. From reports he wanted it to be a photo op and tried send the cameras/press away. But Pelosi and Chuck sort of knew they were going to get ambushed(the meeting was supposed to be closed door) and talked to the press. Trump loses control of the whole thing when Pelosi calls it a Trump shut down and dares him to pass the bill out of the house. Trump got played pretty hard Every time Trump does something stupid people say he got played hard, but I'll believe it when I see it. The people who think (realize?) Trump is a moron think he got played hard and it looked really bad for him to threaten to shut down the government like a baby over a stupid, expensive, and ineffective wall. On the other hand, the people who are at least somewhat supportive of Trump probably saw it as him fighting hard against the evil dems to protect the country and fulfill a campaign promise. After all that we've been through and all the shit that Trump has pulled, I'll believe that "stupid stunt #1480" made an actual difference in people's minds when I see it with my own two eyes. My honest opinion of this stunt is that Trump was in control the entire time. He chose for it to be a public shitshow, he obviously knew what Pelosi/Shumer were gonna say. Even though I think Trump is monumentally stupid, I do believe that he has an instinctual ability to make things appear as he wants them to (at least when he's in complete control). Even little things like the fact that he was facing the cameras but Pelosi/Shumer were facing away, all that shit is the type of stuff Trump excels at. He's been living and breathing publicity stunts his entire life. The critical mistake that Pelosi and Schumer made is that they let Trump frame the shutdown as a shutdown over border security. Stated another way, the government is going to shutdown because the Democrats don’t care about border security. The significance of this framing is eventually going to dawn on the Democrats, but make no mistake, Trump won yesterday. That doesn’t seem to match up with reality, polling or how the public feels on the issue of the wall and immigration. Trump sort of looked like an out of control child among adults. https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1072605695235768320
That's pretty much why he won.
Now Democrats are arguing to compromise on funding more of the atrocious shit Trump is doing at the border and Trump's "compromise" is getting less money than he wants, not whether or not he does it.
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On December 13 2018 04:41 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 04:35 Plansix wrote:
Not really. You adding a lot of your own opinions to mine. Criminals running for political office often draw the attention of law enforcement. And more importantly, reporters who dig up information that then leads law enforcement to places they never could have gotten to on their own. K so not really. You've just amended your opinion to basically align with what I said in the first place. That these people are getting held accountable because of Trump's campaign and their association with it.
Your opinion is every flexible and mercurial on a topic you freely admitted you don’t know the specific “nuances”. And it’s it self proving because all these people would never be involved with Trump if he wasn’t running for office.
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On December 13 2018 04:47 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 04:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 04:35 Plansix wrote:
Not really. You adding a lot of your own opinions to mine. Criminals running for political office often draw the attention of law enforcement. And more importantly, reporters who dig up information that then leads law enforcement to places they never could have gotten to on their own. K so not really. You've just amended your opinion to basically align with what I said in the first place. That these people are getting held accountable because of Trump's campaign and their association with it. Your opinion is every flexible and mercurial on a topic you freely admitted you don’t know the specific “nuances”. And it’s it self proving because all these people would never be involved with Trump if he wasn’t running for office.
That seems like a complete non-sequitur. Cohen and Manafort's "big crimes" have little to do with Trump and practically nothing to do with his 2016 campaign. However their accountability and escape does seem to hinge on Trump's campaign.
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I fail to see how that is relevant to the topic.
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On December 13 2018 05:04 Plansix wrote:
I fail to see how that is relevant to the topic.
I was talking about having mixed feelings about Trump's associates only being held accountable (to whatever degree they are) for stuff they did unrelated to the campaign because of the investigation into the campaign.
Then you suggested that they were going to be held accountable regardless, then I disagreed, then you walked it back slightly and I explained how that would indicate that committing crimes to help get Trump elected would then have been key to actually reducing their accountability, then you walked it back a bit further and indignantly suggested I was putting words in your mouth before conceding that Trump's campaign is not only the primary reason this is getting attention in the media but that the media's digging for dirt on Trump (because of his political campaign) was instrumental in the prosecution of these crimes.
That's how.
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no, you asked me if I believed the investigation would have happened if Trump didn’t win. And then said they wouldn’t have happened.
On December 13 2018 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2018 03:40 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 03:24 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 03:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 03:04 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:47 Plansix wrote:On December 13 2018 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 13 2018 02:34 Plansix wrote:
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You are telling me a 3 star general and national security adviser didn’t know the FBI doesn’t show up for friendly visits at random? Or that lying to them might be a criminal offense when they show up asking questions? Or that the widely reported active investigation into the Trump campaign would include him, a memeber of the Trump campaign?
Are you saying Mike Flynn is a fucking moron and got caught because he is a fucking moron? And everyone from Obama to Sallie Yates told Trump that Flynn was bad news and a fucking moron?
Flynn is a bad criminal and got busted because he is a bad criminal. Is Flynn a "bad criminal" if he doesn't even go to prison? He has a good lawyer and cut a plea deal, which is a good way to avoid prison. So he was smart enough to realize he was a bad criminal. I suppose he could be a bad criminal and just that his crimes were insignificant. Or he is more valuable as a witness to get far more impressive criminal actors. We're pretty much down to Manafort as the only person really on the hook and granted I don't follow the nuance of this stuff very closely I don't think the two are really related? Is there speculation as to what he would be saying about whom to the effect of what you're suggesting? There are at least two other investigations not related to the Meuller investigation. And an unknown number of people on the Trump team. Given the level of exposure Trumps kids hav had, I bet a least Trump Jr might have some problems. And Jared may as well since he was looking for loans from foreign countries long before he started working for the government. But we don’t know yet. A lot of it is under wraps. Flynn meet with Mueller 19 times, which is a whole lot more than is normal for a corporating witness. If they aren't related to the Mueller investigation then it sounds like Trump's family is the opposite direction it would be going. I have mixed feelings about Trump winning and the government conspiring to finally hold his associates accountable for shit they did before that and would have been ignored if he lost. Ok. He is helping the Meuller investigative and also helping two other unrelated investigations. He is helping all investigations. We don’t know who else will be charged with what at this time. And the government didn’t conspire to hold him accountable after the fact. The investigation predated him winning. It just has taken the amount of time investigations take. Just like watergate. You actually think this happens without Trump running and winning? Of course not. No one, literally no one, is surprised Trump and associates are criminals. The only reason anyone is getting held accountable (if that's what we're calling this) is they got out of pocket with the presidential run and win.
And then told me want I believed.
But the key part of the discussion is the winning. I said the investigations were ongoing before the election. I don’t know who this shifted to simply joining the campaign.
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