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Many new ladders are currently rising and everyone of them got some problems. Carrier got its legality, WGTour got its Blizzard, Abyss got its PvPGN and TL.net got its secrets. Etc..
Point is that community is dying those days. No matter what you think, no matter what you do, its happening. Maybe dying is not the right word. It can be exchanged with "outgrowing". I think most of you here are visiting this site because of your friends and its just a habit. But, hand on your hearts, do you still feel the passion? DO you enjoy the game? I dont see any new strategy nor the new balance patch that would bring some fresh blood to the run rounds robot gaming. And I think that any ladder wont change this.
Look, you have WCG ladder here, its the WGT clone. Is anybody in there? You have Abyss, do you really play it? You have op TL-West.. The only fun is chatting and playing with people from your friendlist, ehm, at least for me.
And to the topic, if you really think that new ladders will be better than PGT I have short answer for you? I guess they wont. Why? Coz of missing Korea vs World competition. I dont expect much from the new ladders, none of those will ever be that comfortable as PGT used to be. You'll probably still miss some feature. Because none of the developers have the passion to make it perfect but working. And dont expect much from Blizzard. Take a look back to history. PGT had ~800 online players in the good times. Do you think that 800 "progamers" is worthy an attention for company, that cares about millions in WarCraft? Any company never ever patched a game that is almost 10 years old. Blizzard's StarCraft is afaik the only one game that has support for such a long time. It deserved it.
But I think its time for something new, like SC2 or DotA. Something thats worthy your free time, something what can bring you fun even NOW.
Yesterday I got bored and I made a maphack. Simple, working and undetectable. The cheat that we (BWP) feared for all the time of our existance. I must admit that we would have really big problems to catch it even with our beloved PPlug. Currently it works with PP atm and I have no idea how I would stop it from work.
So what i ask you is does anyone care of the cheat release? Will someone of you raise your hand and will I get the red card? I think that hacker always win. Happened in D1, D2 and now its the same in SC.
Hints to one word answers:
 I disagree
 I want talk to cheater
 Self exp...
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
yikes I think you are better off designing cool things for BW, rants are not your forte evidently.
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Hacks don't bother me all that much. Someone hacks vs me I never play them again? Word goes around, that player gets less good games perhaps? SC is going down, in the melee phase without a good ladder.
Today alot of us enjoy various mini games in UMS setting, Such as diplo. Most of us hardcorers will never leave as long as progaming is around. It's just a very boring period for BW right now. I'm hopeing one of these new ladders will have some omph and give some life soon.
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Are you asking if we'd be upset if you released a map hack?
I'd play PGT if it came back
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So your motive for releasing this hack is b/c the community is already dying. Might as well aid the death?
There are still many competitive gamers who want to play a freely legit 1v1. Most played pgt solely for its absolute defense against hackers. Why not be a hero of the SC community and create that absolute anti hack, if anything it will bolster the remaining sc community.
Id rather you do nothing, then to release this hack.
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Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Rofl... Ashur is adorable.
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On April 07 2007 16:04 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
yikes I think you are better off designing cool things for BW, rants are not your forte evidently.
indeed
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I havent said ill definitly release it. Question is, do you care about the game at all?
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Yes I still care for the game.
Yes I would hate you with an undying passion if you, as much great as you have done, would release a maphack.
No I don't think SC is dying nor is strategy standstill. Yes, the game isn't as freeform as it once used to be...
Really though, this is outta left field, and I gotta say WTF yo.
And that's bad news that some new really hard to find hack exists. I'm a lil let down knowing this.
High rant.
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1. Map Hack doesn't outright win you the game. The advantage it gives you on higher levels of play is pretty low.
2. Thanks for making StarCraft see the next decade, by my personal rule of thumb, every time anyone says StarCraft is dying, it's gonna live anothr 5 years.
And yes, I still feel the passion, every year we have our Pimpest Plays (be they sanctioned or not), our shocking moments and crowds of people watching live streams, downloading VOD's, discussing strategies and so on and so forth.
I don't play the game myself anymore, at least not competitively, but I still enjoy watching it, playing UMS maps, or discussing the game itself. I don't plan on letting StarCraft die anytime soon, and I can name 100 people on the spot that share my opinion on that.
Releasing that cheat would destroy everything you did for the community, it would ruin your reputation as THE anti-cheat programmer, go ahead, but don't expect us to cheer for you then. Just don't. I don't see a point in that anyway.
We have long lost the faith in Blizzard bringing another patch or even SC 2. That's why we were relying on third-person programs like PP for example. But we won't let StarCraft die, at least not before Yellow wins an OSL.
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hehe, i miss the old times maybe?
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Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
Btw, if you wanted a serious answer Ashur, then no, 'cause if you were to release this, it'd be an easy way to overshadow everything else you've ever done for us. 
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On April 07 2007 16:10 Cpt Obvious wrote:
Releasing that cheat would destroy everything you did for the community, it would ruin your reputation as THE anti-cheat programmer, go ahead, but don't expect us to cheer for you then. Just don't. I don't see a point in that anyway.
Actually im partialy a hacker, And I was in close touch with the bad guys so i feel like i dont deserve those THEs. I dont see any art in making tools. Atm its just a waste of time.
But we won't let StarCraft die, at least not before Yellow wins an OSL.
Hehe, thats what i didnt expect.
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After you recieve the attention that you most likely sought after writing this post.
You can 1: release the hack.
Every1 will keep playing, there will be threat of hacking, but we will get over it even though it will ruin many online competitions.
Next generation programmers will eventually find an anti hack for it.
2: Don't release the hack.
Self-explanatory?
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EvilTeletubby, you know how Psychician named me? Even you are partialy evil and everyone of us is a bit egoist.
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On April 07 2007 16:18 kdog3683 wrote:
After you recieve the attention that you most likely sought after writing this post.
You can 1: release the hack.
Every1 will keep playing, there will be threat of hacking, but we will get over it even though it will ruin many online competitions.
Next generation programmers will eventually find an anti hack for it.
2: Don't release the hack.
Self-explanatory?
This thread is not about attention. Im bored and I wanted to know how much you care of the game. Not me. That cheat from the pure evil, no future "events" sorry.
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What the fuck do you think gives you the right to try to destroy this game?
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Cloud, how would i destroy it? There is already a bunch of cheats out there.
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
There are two parties to the hacking entity: the creator and the user. I feel that if I had to choose which of these are more "at fault", it would be the user who decides to use the cheat to his own benefit.
Becuase I am new to Broodwar, I love the game and how it's played. I played war3 and dota regularly for 18 months before discovering TL.net and Starcraft, and I never regret making the choice to switch for the older game.
It's fair to say that PGT's experience may never be recreated, but there's value in trying to recreate one, or to strive for something different and perhaps even more capable. I think there's still passion in the guys behind these ladders, and the players who are participating in them.
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Then you made this hack for what, precisely?
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On April 07 2007 16:23 Cloud wrote:
Then you made this hack for what, precisely?
To make an antihack you need to know//make a hack first. I made many cheats in my life, only few was released to closed groups.
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Please don't. A hack of this level would destroy what's left of sc.
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On April 07 2007 16:23 thedeadhaji wrote:
It's fair to say that PGT's experience may never be recreated, but there's value in trying to recreate one, or to strive for something different and perhaps even more capable. I think there's still passion in the guys behind these ladders, and the players who are participating in them.
There is already few working ladders with//without official support. And they are dead. Why do you think that TL.net will be different?
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Come on Ashur, you're better then this. Saw you at WCG06, even though you say you don't love the game anymore, you still love the community.
The community generally still likes the occasional game. The community generally doesn't like meeting hackers in such public games. I'm sure Jump and the other czechs who still have the passion wouldn't want you to release the replays. In some countries, Starcraft is still growing. Vietnam is a perfect example of this, as they have grown exponentially since 2006, even sending two players to the Starcraft WCG that year.
Point being that Starcraft is far from dead, and that people will still want to enjoy their hackless games. Don't ruin the game for them, please, you're better then that.
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On April 07 2007 16:21 Cloud wrote:
What the fuck do you think gives you the right to try to destroy this game?
Do not fucking talk in this tone. Do you know how much Ashur has contributed to SC? I'm sure he has much more appreciation for SC than you. Who the fuck are YOU?
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put your hack in the recycle bin and work on BWTV if you want give a new breath to the community. I dont see the point of making this kind of depressing thread.
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Artanis, are you sure about Jump? Im not. StarCraft is far from death? How many, its so small community in cmp to DotA.
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On April 07 2007 16:26 Ashur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2007 16:23 Cloud wrote:
Then you made this hack for what, precisely? To make an antihack you need to know//make a hack first. I made many cheats in my life, only few was released to the private groups.
???
Then whats the point of this thread?
Threaten people with releasing a hack that wont do shit (only to your reputation) unless they spew out their feelings for this game to you?
What the hell is the point of that other than crying for attention?
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On April 07 2007 16:29 exalted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2007 16:21 Cloud wrote:
What the fuck do you think gives you the right to try to destroy this game? Do not fucking talk in this tone. Do you know how much Ashur has contributed to SC? I'm sure he has much more appreciation for SC than you. Who the fuck are YOU?
Please no flames  <3
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Close thread? regardless what we say, in the end, he will always have the luxury to release the hack even if he doesn't do it now.
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On April 07 2007 16:29 exalted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2007 16:21 Cloud wrote:
What the fuck do you think gives you the right to try to destroy this game? Do not fucking talk in this tone. Do you know how much Ashur has contributed to SC? I'm sure he has much more appreciation for SC than you. Who the fuck are YOU?
I know how much has he contributed, and my tone just shows how big my appreciation for this game is.
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On April 07 2007 16:31 Cloud wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2007 16:26 Ashur wrote:On April 07 2007 16:23 Cloud wrote:
Then you made this hack for what, precisely? To make an antihack you need to know//make a hack first. I made many cheats in my life, only few was released to the private groups. ??? Then whats the point of this thread? Threaten people with releasing a hack that wont do shit (only to your reputation) unless they spew out their feelings for this game to you? What the hell is the point of that other than crying for attention?
If you dont want to talk, leave. I dont make any threats. I just want to discuss the passion. And my passion is making hacks.
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On April 07 2007 16:27 Ashur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2007 16:23 thedeadhaji wrote:
It's fair to say that PGT's experience may never be recreated, but there's value in trying to recreate one, or to strive for something different and perhaps even more capable. I think there's still passion in the guys behind these ladders, and the players who are participating in them. There is already few working ladders with//without official support. And they are dead. Why do you think that TL.net will be different?
Why not?
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On April 07 2007 16:33 Ashur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2007 16:31 Cloud wrote:On April 07 2007 16:26 Ashur wrote:On April 07 2007 16:23 Cloud wrote:
Then you made this hack for what, precisely? To make an antihack you need to know//make a hack first. I made many cheats in my life, only few was released to the private groups. ??? Then whats the point of this thread? Threaten people with releasing a hack that wont do shit (only to your reputation) unless they spew out their feelings for this game to you? What the hell is the point of that other than crying for attention? If you dont want to talk, leave. I dont make any threats. I just want to discuss the passion. And my passion is making hacks.
you make hacks because you're a too bad programmer to make BWTV working bwahaha.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
Send it to me, I wanna win WCG Germany
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I think Ashur is just p***** off at Blizzard, trying to find cause of his resignation in loss of "fire".
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United States12240 Posts
There have been many tools that have been released for BW over the years. Many of them have been useless "helper" tools, such as replay organizers or autosavers. However, there are some tools which are so incredible that they prolong the life of the game as a whole - tools such as Penguinplug. When it was first released PP was amazing and unprecedented, and it created a way for the average user to defeat the average hacker. As time passed, PP became bloated with some useless subtools (a launcher, for example) as well as some immensely helpful ones (updated hack defense). It is those helpful tool additions, along with ladders comprised of trusted individuals, that keep the community alive by promoting a friendly and welcoming atmosphere - one that showcases worldwide dedication to a "dying" game.
If you want to know what the next big positive project is for BW, there's no doubt it's BWTV. That program and system alone could provide BW with another decade of life.
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On April 07 2007 16:33 roadrunner_sc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2007 16:27 Ashur wrote:On April 07 2007 16:23 thedeadhaji wrote:
It's fair to say that PGT's experience may never be recreated, but there's value in trying to recreate one, or to strive for something different and perhaps even more capable. I think there's still passion in the guys behind these ladders, and the players who are participating in them. There is already few working ladders with//without official support. And they are dead. Why do you think that TL.net will be different? Why not?
I think that current ladders has one purpose. They are not for community, but for their creators ego.
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i dewn't kurr, only faygets yoos teh hax ne wayz lol
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On April 07 2007 16:36 gds wrote:you make hacks because you're a too bad programmer to make BWTV working bwahaha.
Ohrly >_</?
On April 07 2007 16:36 Dendra wrote:
I think Ashur is just p***** off at Blizzard, trying to find cause of his resignation in loss of "fire".
Im not pissed of them. Im sad that it had to end some way that i dont want to discuss. We havent lost the fire, i lost the will.
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On April 07 2007 16:38 Ashur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2007 16:33 roadrunner_sc wrote:On April 07 2007 16:27 Ashur wrote:On April 07 2007 16:23 thedeadhaji wrote:
It's fair to say that PGT's experience may never be recreated, but there's value in trying to recreate one, or to strive for something different and perhaps even more capable. I think there's still passion in the guys behind these ladders, and the players who are participating in them. There is already few working ladders with//without official support. And they are dead. Why do you think that TL.net will be different? Why not? I think that current ladders has one purpose. They are not for community, but for their creators ego.
And your releasing a hack would be................?
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On April 07 2007 16:41 roadrunner_sc wrote:
And your releasing a hack would be................?
the same i guess
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On April 07 2007 16:42 Ashur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2007 16:41 roadrunner_sc wrote:
And your releasing a hack would be................? the same i guess
Right. Except one MAY have a chance of helping the community. The other MAY doom it to utter oblivion.
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Because youve become disenchanted with the bw scene, you feel that releasing a hack wont matter anyway? Starcraft is nearly a decade old; its amazing that its even survived this long. There are still thriving communities out there dedicated to the game, but just because its not as big as it was ten years ago doesnt mean people should be shitting all over it.
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Dam this has to have been the most depressing thread that I read in a while. Why are you so negative 
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On April 07 2007 16:46 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:Dam this has to have been the most depressing thread that I read in a while. Why are you so negative
Watched Requiem for a dream. Im just moving in the shadows, if you want metamorphs. And i havent talked for ages on TL.net. And to be honest, i wanted to make some noise.
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On April 07 2007 16:49 Ashur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2007 16:46 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:Dam this has to have been the most depressing thread that I read in a while. Why are you so negative Watched Requiem for a dream. Im just moving in the shadows, if you want metamorphs. And i havent talked for ages on TL.net. And to be honest, i wanted to make some noise.
that's your problem.
never watch that movie ;(
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On the most serious manner possible, and the most mature one:
I FUCKING LOVE THIS FUCKING GAME!
IT ALWAYS RELAXES MY NERVES
I BROKE WITH MY GF BECAUSE OF STARCRAFT
I CONSIDER PPLUG A FUCKING REVOLUTION
I have hope in you...
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On April 07 2007 16:36 Excalibur_Z wrote:
There have been many tools that have been released for BW over the years. Many of them have been useless "helper" tools, such as replay organizers or autosavers. However, there are some tools which are so incredible that they prolong the life of the game as a whole - tools such as Penguinplug. When it was first released PP was amazing and unprecedented, and it created a way for the average user to defeat the average hacker. As time passed, PP became bloated with some useless subtools (a launcher, for example) as well as some immensely helpful ones (updated hack defense). It is those helpful tool additions, along with ladders comprised of trusted individuals, that keep the community alive by promoting a friendly and welcoming atmosphere - one that showcases worldwide dedication to a "dying" game.
If you want to know what the next big positive project is for BW, there's no doubt it's BWTV. That program and system alone could provide BW with another decade of life.
Those subtools was a must. Launcher for example was the only option for Windows 9x and for proper and legal 1.14 compatibility.
BWTV is project that wont be used if its not under official wings of the company. Actually its all about filling//reading one stupid buffer in memory and rep saving, kinda easy to develop. but nearly impossible to manage. PPlug is not used in Korea broadcasts because its buggy. And since i cant update it, it wont be used ever. With BWTV its the same. Making a packet sniffer (WaaaaghTV) is legal, but managing the game memory isnt. Those laws and rules :/
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On April 07 2007 16:54 MaSSivE.Attack wrote:
I BROKE WITH MY GF BECAUSE OF STARCRAFT
Thats definitly THE argument.
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Im from a country that doenst have a wcg in years, there are not even lan events anymore, there were like 2 last year. But guess what. People KEEP playing SC.
I started playin less than 2 year ago. I didnt have a clan. And i didnt care. I kept playing because it WAS FUN. If in my fucking country, where theres practically ZERO support for any other game that aint soccer or tenis people keeps playing sc. Then this game is far from dead.
And fom my experience, everyday theres a guy who in some corner of the world got bored of playing a repetitive korean MMORPG and finds his old SC cd and says, "hey, this game was fun, i remember i could beat the pc easy!" maybe ill play a while in bnet... and another one gets hooked up again.
I know theres less people joining the comunnity than leaving it. But isnt this happening in every other game? I wanna see your DOTA comunnty in 7 seven years standing still like us. Still and PRO. For me SC is like chess, or tetris, even like riding a bike. You cant QUIT SC, you just stop playing.
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I dont see any new strategy
You don't watch enough Korean games. SC is so far from being "figured out"
I dont expect much from the new ladders, none of those will ever be that comfortable as PGT used to be. You'll probably still miss some feature. Because none of the developers have the passion to make it perfect but working
Apparently you don't know Manifesto7.
So what i ask you is does anyone care of the cheat release?
Yes. Are you completely out of your mind?
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On April 07 2007 15:59 Ashur wrote:
Yesterday I got bored and I made a maphack. Simple, working and undetectable. The cheat that we (BWP) feared for all the time of our existance. I must admit that we would have really big problems to catch it even with our beloved PPlug. Currently it works with PP atm and I have no idea how I would stop it from work.
How hasn't someone else made this hack already?
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On April 07 2007 17:02 Da Bomb wrote:
How hasn't someone else made this hack already?
They found it too sucky. They dont know what "progamers" needs to know (guessing enemy strategy, minimap). You dont need to crash the game or drop specific player, morph mutalisk from a probe. Thats what they focus on.
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You are obviously trying to piss me off, so i can come to the Czech Republic and kick your ass!
Seriously don't do it.
And you know what i just finished playing a set of 2v2 games with a friend of mine, and i would be sad if someone cheated against us. You don't want to make me sad, do you ? 
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if you are looking for beta testers this new maphack pls PM me
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On April 07 2007 17:16 GongKyuckTerran wrote:haha alcoholictoss :p
Seriously, he is the only Hero! (participants knows)
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On April 07 2007 17:16 CoralReefer wrote:
if you are looking for beta testers this new maphack pls PM me
Few people tried out already, thanks.
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United States43296 Posts
What confuses me is that you're asking a Starcraft forum how much they care about the game. I mean jeez, go on a WoW forum or something and ask because seriously, you won't get much debate here.
Yes, we like Starcraft.
No, we don't like hacks.
Yes, we still enjoy to play.
Exactly what were you expecting.
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Actually there is no other forum with smart people. And i read between lines, simple answers means nothing.
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CHESS.
see new patches in chess? But it's alive isn't it?
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Fear not, this community has been one of the most powerful an dedicated around. I have never seen another community with the same enduring passion as this one.
~Fear the Fog~
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United States43296 Posts
This isn't the way to get a legacy. Surely with your talents you could make something sexy although I have no idea why you don't feel BW launcher is enough. I'm sure your hack is very good but no-ones going to thank you for it.
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Haha, noone of you played more than 1000 games of chess. Chess are boring, there is no Psistorm and they comps > humans these days.
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On April 07 2007 17:27 Kwark wrote:
This isn't the way to get a legacy. Surely with your talents you could make something sexy although I have no idea why you don't feel BW launcher is enough. I'm sure your hack is very good but no-ones going to thank you for it.
If i would be a prick i would say - No one here.
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On April 07 2007 16:27 Ashur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2007 16:23 thedeadhaji wrote:
It's fair to say that PGT's experience may never be recreated, but there's value in trying to recreate one, or to strive for something different and perhaps even more capable. I think there's still passion in the guys behind these ladders, and the players who are participating in them. There is already few working ladders with//without official support. And they are dead. Why do you think that TL.net will be different?
Why do I think TLTour will be different? TLTour is the half the reason those ladders aren't successful, we're waiting for TLTour.
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United States43296 Posts
On April 07 2007 17:28 Ashur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2007 17:27 Kwark wrote:
This isn't the way to get a legacy. Surely with your talents you could make something sexy although I have no idea why you don't feel BW launcher is enough. I'm sure your hack is very good but no-ones going to thank you for it. If i would be a prick i would say - No one here.
I have an idea. Write an amazing hack with a virus in. Put it on BW hacks. People download it. It works well and spreads throughout the entire hacker community. And then you expose the lot of them and we have ourselves a purge. That'll get you remembered.
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Belgium8305 Posts
well hello there mister sunshine
Ashur, just because you've lost your passion for the game doesn't mean everyone else has. Sure, a bunch of people have moved on to poker, lost interest or just stick around for progaming news. Many more haven't, and new players are still picking up the game. There isn't only the TL community and the GG community, there are still countless others who have fun playing BW every day, plus the huge Korean scene will be running strong for at least a few years.
This game is by no means dead or dying and strategies, micro and macro can always be taken to a new level.
I don't really care whether you release a hack or not, it's pretty pointless. I still play maybe 10-15 games per week (after more than five years, I'm still not even close to getting sick of it) and if I encounter some blatant hacker, I just shrug it off and move on. All you'd be doing by releasing another hack (and I'm sure there are other hacks that are undetectable by PP already) is enabling another bunch of hackers to screw up a few more games. That's like swiping your foot through an anthill - a senseless act of aggression, ultimately nothing more than a small nuisance.
Thanks for all the other stuff you've done though, you've always been great to the community.
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On April 07 2007 17:32 Kwark wrote:
I have an idea. Write an amazing hack with a virus in. Put it on BW hacks. People download it. It works well and spreads throughout the entire hacker community. And then you expose the lot of them and we have ourselves a purge. That'll get you remembered.
You missed that, it happened a half year ago. However i was not the creator. And it wasnt well spreaded. Actually the most fav hack was downloaded ~12000 times. BWLauncher has much more active users. But still not hundreds of thousands.
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On April 07 2007 17:37 vGl-CoW wrote:
Ashur, just because you've lost your passion for the game doesn't mean everyone else has. Sure, a bunch of people have moved on to poker, lost interest or just stick around for progaming news. Many more haven't, and new players are still picking up the game. There isn't only the TL community and the GG community, there are still countless others who have fun playing BW every day, plus the huge Korean scene will be running strong for at least a few years.
I got the same feelings. Ok guys, thanks for you time. Nice to talk to you, me to bed.
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I already have an undetectable hack that works through PP, thank you very much.
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This thread was depressing.
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Every community starts "dying" at a certain point but there are people who still like to play legit games so please don't ruin the experience for them =/
As for the DotA community, that's dying at a much faster rate than the BW one-- reference the CPL fluke, CEVO "season" that turned into a poorly-organized tournament (now discontinued), team hopping (and even disbanding-- ie coL, one of the premiere teams in the world), bad manners, etc. You won't be able to find a more persistent community elsewhere, sadly enough. :[
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On April 07 2007 17:40 XelNaga wrote:
I already have an undetectable hack that works through PP, thank you very much.
Last defense. PPlug is 6 months old. Your undetectable hack would be caught if i could update it. The "Invisiblo" cannot be caught. If i would invest few more hours into it, not even by Warden from WoW if we come to details. Gnite.
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On April 07 2007 17:45 Ashur wrote:
Last defense. PPlug is 6 months old. Your undetectable hack would be caught if i could update it. The "Invisiblo" cannot be caught. If i would invest few more hours into it, not even by Warden from WoW if we come to details. Gnite.
The hack has been around for a very long time now.. It's something (along with the nuke glitch) that was never patched in SCExtension.
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... Are you... serious?
Ok, wow, to Ashur, maybe there will be hacking if you release it, maybe this whole game will become as popular as Arcanum is... I know you never heard of it. But there are dedicated players out there.
Once... a g/f of mine said:
"Alright, this is too much, pick, is it going to be Starcraft, or me?"
I replied: "There's the door"
My devotion to Starcraft is great... and, while the thoughts of losing starcraft were not the only reason I said that, they were the main reason. If she said Diablo 2 or me, I'd say, alright, sure, I won't play it anymore...
I'm pretty sure alot of people would do the same...
As for your "hack". Maphack, right? Now, I don't browse communities of hacking fora and what not, but I think that means you can see the entire map right? That's... that's not GREAT. See, what I can do, is X amount of mins/vespene... and I'm working on altering the attack of a probe so it attacks for 2000 rather than 5. 
Now, wow, everyone is going to hate Ekips. Thing is... I know if I use these hacks, I would be hated, and I would get worse. I have the power to use 10k mins right from minute one, and I choose to rather lose if I have to... I can never cheat in SC. In Warcraft? I would so give myself 1,000,000 gold every single Dota match to piss off everyone. Starcraft? I would rather be killed by 12 zlings and be drone drilled than cheat...
I'm pretty sure alot of people would do the same...
And I'm sure I've played over 1,000 chess games, even though I'd rather play Shogi... no one plays Shogi. Only 2 people I know, and you know what? Every time I get the chance, I play Shogi... in this comparison, shogi = SC and Chess = WC. Both are dying out, and no one plays Shogi, but if they do, they find it more complicated and awesome than Chess.
Are there Chess players out there? Ofcourse! For how long? REAL LONG.
Shogi players? Yeah. As many? Probably not. Does that make Shogi dead and not worth playing anymore? Just because the community is small, or even near nonexistant, would you give up a game you love? And heck, can make money in if you get good enough?
I search on Arcanum's multiplayer everyday in hopes to find someone... It's my favorite game... Starcraft's my second... Anyone that bothers to flame me for it... 
Sadly, no one is ever on... but does that make me stop liking the game? Nope. Would I like it more if people were on? Yeah, definitely.
It's the old chicken and egg question... "If you want people to play the game, it must be popular. If you want the game to be popular, people must play it."
You decide if you want to give the cycle a chance... A chance to let someone enjoy their favorite game... or to kill the game that is an extension of their soul, because that's how I think of the other game, AND Starcraft... and to tell the truth, if I would have played Starcraft before that other one, it probably would be my favorite of all time.
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Korea (South)11585 Posts
There are so many people who do not like playing with hacks. They just wont play using cheats
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causasionAsian speaks the truth Word ~
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8 or so of the last 10 years people have said the community is dying, hacks are ruining the game, no new strats will be invented, etc.. This is the same old rant. The game and the community will both change, but the game will continue on.
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Canada7170 Posts
Releasing a hack doesn't really make anyone happy. I don't see how winning with a hack would be fun.
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I understand what you're doing Ashur. You want the old days back and want to somehow threaten Blizzard in a subtle way, just enough not to get in trouble, but enough to get something done. I respect that 100%, I'm with you on that.
About the Map Hack, I don't care :o. I play with West people enough to know they honestly don't try shit. Amateur / Professional Games and Friends alike won't use stuff like that v.s. their friend seriously. Now, if I don't want to game West since I might be having an off day, I wouldn't like to log on to Abyss and lose 4 more times with Maphackers
Do what you want man, I understand though. <3 PGT powa!
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Hacker always wins.
Winning isnt always important.
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On April 07 2007 17:59 EkipsTakemi wrote:As for your "hack". Maphack, right? Now, I don't browse communities of hacking fora and what not, but I think that means you can see the entire map right? That's... that's not GREAT. See, what I can do, is X amount of mins/vespene... and I'm working on altering the attack of a probe so it attacks for 2000 rather than 5.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but using ArtMoney or Tsearch to edit memory values doesn't work in multiplayer.
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Osaka27156 Posts
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