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TheosEx
United States894 Posts
Y3ahright was just banned by Liquid`Nazgul. That account was created on 2007-03-21 14:27:25 and had 22 posts. Lol pwned... this dude treated this thread like an AIM Chat Window. Anyways, baal that was one quite witty chart you posted. Did it take long for you to think of that? I'm willing to bet you my car that his IQ is higher than yours. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:36 Gene wrote: ugh i posted this on the last page but deleted it in hopes that the thread would die just because chibi said he didnt promote pedoism in his final words doesnt make it true you cant erase his illustrious and undeniable past no matter how hard you try whether he wants to say it or not, although he has many times that im not going to try to prove by finding because if you wish to ignore something so true so be it, he was a pedo. he promoted it many times, and if you'renot okay with that, you HAVE to concede that he defended his ideas in a sense that made them "normal" and "acceptable" which it is not no matter how depraved the world you live in. ugh i should have read your whole post. apparently it is to you. brb. sorry chibi i still love you. this only applies if you think chibi wants to fuck 12 year olds all day and he doesn't being physically attracted to physically mature girls who may be ranging in age 15-20 if you had to venture a guess does not make you a pedophile. Pedophilia is about fucking CHILDREN. Children with NO ADULT QUALITIES. Pre-puberty sort of thing. It's a wild leap from what Chibi thinks to that word. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:35 Ganfei wrote: Eloquently stated Servolisk. I wanted to say this myself but was afraid to do so given the general consensus that all the mods hate me and I didn't want to rock the boat. Apropos and ironic, no? Exactly what you're talking about. I also like the elements of John Mill's philosophies in that. I wasn't the real author of that, I thought it was obvious, but you can guess who. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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bine
United States2352 Posts
On March 21 2007 12:29 bine wrote: Well i guess that's subjective opinion. To you, having sex with 11 year olds is a much bigger deal. To me, one is a relatively harmless outlet for someone with particular feelings while another is participatory in widely and overwhelmingly pervasive racism that negatively affects the lives of millions of real people. Some guy being perverted by himself and sometimes on an internet forum and then following it with usually intelligent discussions about pedophilia and anti-pedophilia hysteria is nothing to me compared to casually and unaplogetically perpetuating the use of the N word. And it's definitely relevant in a discussion that partly hinges on appropriateness, ethics, offensiveness etc. I decidedly do NOT want to be the person starting big, dramatic threads about the N word and alienating myself from wide swaths of the community. Similarly, I don't want to become pigeon-holed by also calling into question the frequently anti-gay slurs abound here, for fear of being dubbed part of the annoying, ditsy and overly effeminate segment of the gay community that you sometimes refer to as representative. (after servolisk) hmm yea that's a good point, what about other offensive posters? where do we draw the line? and even if we do, aren't there a bunch of people currently posting that are in no danger of being banned that have said things much more offensive than chibi's posts? what does that mean? | ||
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brian
United States9642 Posts
does it suffice to say chibi's view was unacceptably socially deviant? from my previous post in the thread "So i can sympathize with both of them. But what occurs to me having spoken to Bey about it a few times, He's right. The fact that i can read Chibi's posts without being utterly disgusted is kind of intriguing. I came to my conclusion that we as a world live in a somewhat depraved society that we can see that as fine to talk about. So it's all about how you look at that, that will bring you to a peace about this ban one way or the other. My opinion." some of that i took for granted as being a truth. again im questioning myself seeing as not everyone agrees. | ||
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Ganfei1
China667 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:36 Gene wrote: ugh i posted this on the last page but deleted it in hopes that the thread would die just because chibi said he didnt promote pedoism in his final words doesnt make it true you cant erase his illustrious and undeniable past no matter how hard you try whether he wants to say it or not, although he has many times that im not going to try to prove by finding because if you wish to ignore something so true so be it, he was a pedo. he promoted it many times, and if you'renot okay with that, you HAVE to concede that he defended his ideas in a sense that made them "normal" and "acceptable" which it is not no matter how depraved the world you live in. ugh i should have read your whole post. apparently it is to you. brb. sorry chibi i still love you. Let's go back to BC Greece, when the high culture greeks with their vaunted logic and nowadays esteemed philosophers had boy-lovers. So I guess their culture was completely depraved and crazy? You need to understand that things change. At the moment it may make you gag or whatever to think of pedophilia, but understand at one point it was nothing special. The same way that at one point people would shout you down and call you a moron for suggesting that african people not be enslaved by whites. The same way you would be called a feminist agent if you suggested that woman's suffrage become a possibility. You'll reply to me "but those are all good progressive things," and I'll say to that: only in the world we live in currently, and the morals we currently hold, which have evolved majorly over the last few thousand years. | ||
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brian
United States9642 Posts
ugh i dont mean that how it sounds its late, im tired grumpy and swamped in HW. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:42 Gene wrote: ugh steve IMO you're arguing semantics. Yeah I think he interprets the word different. Pedo means being attracted to underage people, which Chibi is, but the point is that is a big difference from the way we'd use the word for some child rapist, and people seem to be acting like he is that type of pedo. | ||
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Ganfei1
China667 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:46 Servolisk wrote: Yeah I think he interprets the word different. Pedo means being attracted to underage people, which Chibi is, but the point is that is a big difference from the way we'd use the word for some child rapist, and people seem to be acting like he is that type of pedo. Added to which underage is defined 100% subjectively by different laws in different countries, and is never accurate. If you're going to say physical maturity, well some people mature faster than others. You can have a 13 year old in Spain who looks like a 10 year old, or a 13 year old who looks like a 16 year old. Anyone who replies in this thread with the fact that they blindly follow what is legally underage is a tool and can't think for themselves; i.e. some of the first posters. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:42 Gene wrote: ugh steve IMO you're arguing semantics does it suffice to say chibi's view was unacceptably socially deviant? from my previous post in the thread "So i can sympathize with both of them. But what occurs to me having spoken to Bey about it a few times, He's right. The fact that i can read Chibi's posts without being utterly disgusted is kind of intriguing. I came to my conclusion that we as a world live in a somewhat depraved society that we can see that as fine to talk about. So it's all about how you look at that, that will bring you to a peace about this ban one way or the other. My opinion." some of that i took for granted as being a truth. again im questioning myself seeing as not everyone agrees. well no, its not about semantics chibi doesnt advocate or prefer pursuing a relationship with a 15 year old over pursuing a relationship with a 20 year old. He recognizes that its not wierd to be physically attracted to either one, but he's also said that he doesn't think child/adult relationships work out (in this case, a girl around 15-17 with the mentality of an average girl that age). But he presents the idea that under absolutely perfect circumstances a 15 year old could date a 20 year old, and asks that if all things considered the relationship was perfect, would it be morally wrong? The flaw here is that Chibi was either oblivious or didnt care that while his views aren't deviant as you think they are, there are going to be lots of people who will 1) choose to look only at parts of what he said and 2) apply those parts out of context to make fun of him. That got the stigma ball rolling and it went from there. After that it was some joking around on his part (albeit tastlessly joking around) while trying to have the same debate which just fueled the fire. I'm not saying Chibi was a great poster I'm saying he doesn't fuck kids  | ||
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Ganfei1
China667 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:44 Gene wrote: we dont live in BC Greece. its not socially acceptable. we're here and now, dont make irrelevant arguments. ugh i dont mean that how it sounds its late, im tired grumpy and swamped in HW. LOL Irrelevant arguments? Have you ever taken a philosophy class of any sort? This is like the most basic fucking thing I could possibly say. It's hardly irrelevant. Who the fuck are you to say whether or not in 200 years we'll have slaves again? Who are you to say it won't be 100% socially acceptable at that time? | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:46 Servolisk wrote: Yeah I think he interprets the word different. Pedo means being attracted to underage people, which Chibi is, but the point is that is a big difference from the way we'd use the word for some child rapist, and people seem to be acting like he is that type of pedo. no i don't liken 'pedophile' to 'sexual predator' or anything. the word is simply defined as someone who has a sexual attraction to prepubescents | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:49 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: no i don't liken 'pedophile' to 'sexual predator' or anything. the word is simply defined as someone who has a sexual attraction to prepubescents Oh, if that is the technical meaning of the word than you are 100% right. I never looked it up actually :o | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:44 Gene wrote: we dont live in BC Greece. its not socially acceptable. we're here and now, dont make irrelevant arguments. ugh i dont mean that how it sounds its late, im tired grumpy and swamped in HW. You are not adressing the point. I cant say whether you are doing this willfully or not, but.... read the bigger posts. That's the hint. | ||
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brian
United States9642 Posts
but there are still slaves, that never ended. just not in america. it is entirely fucking irrelevant to tell me what ancients greeks practiced. their society and culture was 100 percent different from ours and incomparable. \ fusion i was addressing his post and only his post with that one. | ||
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Ganfei1
China667 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:51 Gene wrote: i dont know where the fuck you're from but there are still slaves, that never ended. just not in america. it is entirely fucking irrelevant to tell me what ancients greeks practiced. their society and culture was 100 percent different from ours and incomparable. Sorry, but you're an idiot if you don't understand the relevance of the point. Perhaps it's because you're tired. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:47 Ganfei wrote: Added to which underage is defined 100% subjectively by different laws in different countries, and is never accurate. If you're going to say physical maturity, well some people mature faster than others. You can have a 13 year old in Spain who looks like a 10 year old, or a 13 year old who looks like a 16 year old. Anyone who replies in this thread with the fact that they blindly follow what is legally underage is a tool and can't think for themselves; i.e. some of the first posters. The funny thing is -- if TL follows the same statistical trend as other places -- like 75% of the people in this thread probably thought the girl who plays Hermione in Harry Potter was sexy. I can find underage girls attractive too, personally, but I just am more interested in my own age. edit: My point being, I personally don't think there is anything unnatural about it, morals aside. | ||
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brian
United States9642 Posts
in hopes you haven't read this yet i deleted it sincerely Gene ;( | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On March 21 2007 21:49 Servolisk wrote: Oh, if that is the technical meaning of the word than you are 100% right. I never looked it up actually :o To clarify, pedophiles tend to be attracted to the androgynous features of children - undeveloped chests, narrow waists et cetra. Being attracted to a 15, or even an 11 year old with large breasts does not make you a pedophile. Whether it is morally wrong or not, is another issue, but it is not a pedophillic desire. To summarize ( and I realize this is dangerous): A person attracted to the androgynous features of children - pedophile A person attracted to the features of a human in mid to late puberty - ephebophile Age limits are mainly established to limit confusion afaict | ||
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