Chibi Explanation - Page 26

On March 21 2007 21:04 MYM.Testie wrote:
So the threads dead now right? It's hard to maintain any seriousness after these last pages. But... another page is beginning soon.

On March 21 2007 21:07 KOFgokuon wrote:
Surprised that this thread stayed on topic as long as it did

On March 21 2007 20:03 Servolisk wrote:
The other things I don't understand are how Chibi was told to never bring up the "pedo" stuff again and that is what he was banned for when he in fact did not bring it up. No one would of thought so if Beyonder and co did not provoke him and escalate it into an argument.

Those are the people who wanted him banned for talking about pedo stuff, yet they were the ones who turned it into a pedo discussion.

On March 21 2007 21:20 Servolisk wrote:


Good point. I think Beyonder didn't even think Chibi was breaking some agreement when he made his post, otherwise he would of tried to ban him right there and not make some insult about being gay and contemptuous. The only reason Chibi was seen as bringing up pedo stuff again was because Beyonder made a discussion around it.

On March 21 2007 21:26 Gene wrote:
I have a semi-relevant question

Say there's a user
he's got 0 posts, because he just made a smurf name
said user goes on to be obnoxious loud mouthed opinionated asshole
you mods/admins cant see his IP and other users logging in with that IP?

i think some of you may see where im going with that.

On March 21 2007 21:32 Servolisk wrote:
I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I have to make a post about this anyways. It surely won't be as good as the other two, but, it has to be said.

Chibi's ban is yet another example of several features of TLnet as a community and a site. First, public perception of Chibi has overtaken reality in defining him, even for the mods. Mods, for a number of reasons (some ideas: lack of effort, lack of interest, stupidity, naivety) start to believe what the idiots have said over and over about someone. Unfunny people like to constantly try to be funny over and over--that's probably the main theme of TLnet, and so, the loudest, most active idiots come to define what "the public" "knows" about someone, and this somehow bleeds into the mod's actual discussion (even, their consensus) on what a person is.

In the case of Chibi, they think he has some kind of pedo agenda. That he brings it into every topic. Nothing could be farther from the truth, as Chibi has eloquently pointed out, and defended to a tee, so many times. This leads into the second main feature of TLnet: that well-written, careful, kind, constructive fact, in response to false claims, is completely wasted on most of the staff. In fact, they won't even read it. They think they know everything, and you are just a waste of time to them. They trust their random, illiterate mods' parroting of the "public" opinion more than anything you say, no matter how clearly you say it and how well you back it up. They have no respect for you, since you're banned, and you're a pedo. Even if several of their most level-headed and intelligent and well-liked mods vouch for you, this doesn't faze them at all.

It is plain fact that Chibi doesn't do these things. Other people bring this crap up, and they are not held responsible for this. A circus of idiocy follows Chibi, probably trolls who know they can start the same old shit if they bring the topic up, and they just keep plugging away. The mods only see their arguments as truth, and see the cause of the problem as Chibi, and have to get rid of all conflict because of their fairy tale ideal of what the forum is supposed to be. This combination of ignorance of the true cause of friction, with intolerance for the friction (ignorance of its vital role for any discussion--ignorance that it only needs to be channeled, like water, not dammed), is, frankly, deadly for a site. A few troublemakers can literally run everyone sincere and interesting off of the site. This is what has been happening for years.

Thirdly, TL has had a very conservative intolerance for controversial issues. There was a time when you couldn't talk about drugs, no matter in how serious a manner. We see a similar problem with discussing certain sexual issues. Chibi's thought-out, researched stance, that he merely looks to discuss, and share his research so that others can refute it, or be enlightened by it, is constantly shouted down by simple-minded bigotry reminiscent of adolescent, locker-room, chatter. "Eew sick, shut up, don't be a fag", you can almost read between the lines. These are the people who should grow up, and stay out of topics that they can't handle.

Even if Chibi, and his influence, is bad for society, it is better that we let him talk about it out in the open, that we can try to convince him, so that we can see where the truth of the matter truly lies. Shouting down or censoring fringe viewpoints does a disservice to society. It is better that they work them out in the public, than keep them secret. It is truly cowardly, and selfish, to want to shut down any discussion that is not interesting to you, or that is disturbing to you personally.

Basically, the immature people who can't handle serious topics like pedophilia or drugs, and the immature people that keep saying false things about Chibi and bad jokes about Chibi to try to provoke him into "bringing up" (responding to) "the pedo topic", are bringing the site down. If you want to make TLnet better, demote the bad mods, unban the good people, and start whipping these immature, abundant, and unnecessary assholes into shape. Invite back the geniuses and let them mod your General Forum and unleash a Stimtopia.

Whoever thinks that individuality of desires and impulses should not be encouraged to unfold itself, must maintain that society has no need of strong natures—is not the better for containing many persons who have much character—and that a high general average of energy is not desirable...Even despotism does not produce its worst effects, so long as individuality exists under it; and whatever crushes individuality is despotism, by whatever name it may be called, and whether it professes to be enforcing the will of God or the injunctions of men.

On March 21 2007 21:32 Servolisk wrote:
I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I have to make a post about this anyways. It surely won't be as good as the other two, but, it has to be said.

Chibi's ban is yet another example of several features of TLnet as a community and a site. First, public perception of Chibi has overtaken reality in defining him, even for the mods. Mods, for a number of reasons (some ideas: lack of effort, lack of interest, stupidity, naivety) start to believe what the idiots have said over and over about someone. Unfunny people like to constantly try to be funny over and over--that's probably the main theme of TLnet, and so, the loudest, most active idiots come to define what "the public" "knows" about someone, and this somehow bleeds into the mod's actual discussion (even, their consensus) on what a person is.

In the case of Chibi, they think he has some kind of pedo agenda. That he brings it into every topic. Nothing could be farther from the truth, as Chibi has eloquently pointed out, and defended to a tee, so many times. This leads into the second main feature of TLnet: that well-written, careful, kind, constructive fact, in response to false claims, is completely wasted on most of the staff. In fact, they won't even read it. They think they know everything, and you are just a waste of time to them. They trust their random, illiterate mods' parroting of the "public" opinion more than anything you say, no matter how clearly you say it and how well you back it up. They have no respect for you, since you're banned, and you're a pedo. Even if several of their most level-headed and intelligent and well-liked mods vouch for you, this doesn't faze them at all.

It is plain fact that Chibi doesn't do these things. Other people bring this crap up, and they are not held responsible for this. A circus of idiocy follows Chibi, probably trolls who know they can start the same old shit if they bring the topic up, and they just keep plugging away. The mods only see their arguments as truth, and see the cause of the problem as Chibi, and have to get rid of all conflict because of their fairy tale ideal of what the forum is supposed to be. This combination of ignorance of the true cause of friction, with intolerance for the friction (ignorance of its vital role for any discussion--ignorance that it only needs to be channeled, like water, not dammed), is, frankly, deadly for a site. A few troublemakers can literally run everyone sincere and interesting off of the site. This is what has been happening for years.

Thirdly, TL has had a very conservative intolerance for controversial issues. There was a time when you couldn't talk about drugs, no matter in how serious a manner. We see a similar problem with discussing certain sexual issues. Chibi's thought-out, researched stance, that he merely looks to discuss, and share his research so that others can refute it, or be enlightened by it, is constantly shouted down by simple-minded bigotry reminiscent of adolescent, locker-room, chatter. "Eew sick, shut up, don't be a fag", you can almost read between the lines. These are the people who should grow up, and stay out of topics that they can't handle.

Even if Chibi, and his influence, is bad for society, it is better that we let him talk about it out in the open, that we can try to convince him, so that we can see where the truth of the matter truly lies. Shouting down or censoring fringe viewpoints does a disservice to society. It is better that they work them out in the public, than keep them secret. It is truly cowardly, and selfish, to want to shut down any discussion that is not interesting to you, or that is disturbing to you personally.

Basically, the immature people who can't handle serious topics like pedophilia or drugs, and the immature people that keep saying false things about Chibi and bad jokes about Chibi to try to provoke him into "bringing up" (responding to) "the pedo topic", are bringing the site down. If you want to make TLnet better, demote the bad mods, unban the good people, and start whipping these immature, abundant, and unnecessary assholes into shape. Invite back the geniuses and let them mod your General Forum and unleash a Stimtopia.