[WoW] Battle for Azeroth - Page 505

On November 10 2018 13:21 Cyro wrote:


You do if you want to do them well, like an hour of playing at X time is worth twice as much as an hour of playing at Y time. That's time pressure to ensure that you're playing at X time and plan the rest of your life around it. WoW is the most demanding game that i can name in terms of schedule pressure, not just the amount of hours per week but the way that you MUST do things at certain times otherwise you won't be able to do them properly.

WQ's which spawn 10 minutes after you get into bed and despawn 12hrs later
mission table stuff that cycles every 4-8 hrs, vanishing if you weren't around to start missions
m+ where you can't form groups properly for half of the day and have to follow the good/bad affix weeks because the community follows them and there are 5x more groups on some weeks than others
M raids where you're locking yourself into playing for probably 3 or 4 nights and expected to hold 90%+ attendance

WoW is one of those games where trying to M raid on a schedule, do as much m+ as raiding and keep up on gear/rep and general stuff completely shut down the rest of my life because i just couldn't plan around the hours that it demanded.

There are some others where i can play 50 hours out of a 178 hour window and don't have to cancel, reschedule or mould any other activities - i just play and walk away whenever, for however long and as often as i want knowing that i can log in at some other point and i haven't lost anything at all as long as the amount of hours per week is unchanged. In some games you can drop them at 3am or 3pm on consecutive days and it doesn't matter at all.

On November 10 2018 13:21 Cyro wrote:


You do if you want to do them well, like an hour of playing at X time is worth twice as much as an hour of playing at Y time. That's time pressure to ensure that you're playing at X time and plan the rest of your life around it. WoW is the most demanding game that i can name in terms of schedule pressure, not just the amount of hours per week but the way that you MUST do things at certain times otherwise you won't be able to do them properly. Investing 25 or 50 hours a week isn't enough, if you do it at the wrong times of day and spread it out wrongly throughout the week and month then your character progression will go to shit and you're completely wasting your time compared to somebody else that plays a lot less (at the right hours) to accomplish similar things. And if you don't do them properly.. now you're behind and everybody else has advantages over you.

On November 10 2018 13:21 Cyro wrote:


You do if you want to do them well, like an hour of playing at X time is worth twice as much as an hour of playing at Y time. That's time pressure to ensure that you're playing at X time and plan the rest of your life around it. WoW is the most demanding game that i can name in terms of schedule pressure, not just the amount of hours per week but the way that you MUST do things at certain times otherwise you won't be able to do them properly. Investing 25 or 50 hours a week isn't enough, if you do it at the wrong times of day and spread it out wrongly throughout the week and month then your character progression will go to shit and you're completely wasting your time compared to somebody else that plays a lot less (at the right hours) to accomplish similar things. And if you don't do them properly.. now you're behind and everybody else has advantages over you.

Most of the content is built this way - mission tables to WQ's with despawns ranging from a few hours to 24 hours and spawn times ranging across the day and night, m+ where groups are primarily active at EU day-shift peak times and on the right affixes, M raids which lock you into playing at consistent times of day and consistent days, 3-7 day cycles on some other misc stuff which are totally reasonable in isolation but adding to the list of time stressors.

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WoW is one of those games where trying to M raid on a schedule, do m+ regularly and keep up on gear/rep and general stuff completely shut down the rest of my life because i just couldn't plan around the particular type of hours that it demanded even though the amount of hours itself was doable without too much trouble.

There are some others where i can play 50 hours out of a 178 hour window and don't have to cancel, reschedule or mould any other activities - i just play and walk away whenever, for however long and as often as i want knowing that i can log in at some other point and i haven't lost anything of huge importance as long as the amount of hours per month is unchanged. In some games you can drop them at 3am or 3pm on consecutive days and it doesn't really matter at all, at least for many of the important activities in them. Several of the games that i'm thinking of there partially accomplish that by having worldwide playerbases - i play with both EU and US folks regularly in those games but in WoW i'm forced to conform to EU day-shift peak times for most of the relevant gameplay or go home basically.

There are some good reasons to structure a game like this (although i think it's taken to a ridiculous extreme at times) but one of the main downsides is that it makes it a nightmare of a game if you're not getting much out of it. If you're framing a large portion of your life around a hobby then it has to be highly enjoyable to really justify that!

On November 10 2018 19:29 FFW_Rude wrote:
Hello TL,

After reading tons of stuff i fail to understand what i'm doing wrong. I play frost mage casually (so less than 10hour a week), cleared Uldir NM & HM and 1/8MM (Guild raid).

The thing is. I'm really not in the high ups as a dps. I parse green/blue most of the time unless i don't know the fight really well (Ghuun for exemple). There's only one other mage in the guild and... he is not really good (meaning he doesn't know to shatter) and i'm always in front of him in the ranks (but that will change when i explain him the shatter because he's not that far from me and shatter deal a lot of damage)

So... Here are some logs

https://www.wipefest.net/character/daerie/khaz-modan/eu (just don't look at Taloc please... shimmer kill me a lot) but for some bosses that are tank and spank (like fetid) i think i should be higher (like... a lot) so can someone give some adivce ?

On November 10 2018 15:26 Redox wrote:
I mythic raided for most of Legion while playing less than 10 hours / week (clearing the raid or being at last boss when next raid opened).

You dont need to min/max everything perfectly to play the game, that is personal choice.

for the most part ill try to get a neck level a week

On November 10 2018 13:21 Cyro wrote:


You do if you want to do them well, like an hour of playing at X time is worth twice as much as an hour of playing at Y time. That's time pressure to ensure that you're playing at X time and plan the rest of your life around it. WoW is the most demanding game that i can name in terms of schedule pressure, not just the amount of hours per week but the way that you MUST do things at certain times otherwise you won't be able to do them properly. Investing 25 or 50 hours a week isn't enough, if you do it at the wrong times of day and spread it out wrongly throughout the week and month then your character progression will go to shit and you're completely wasting your time compared to somebody else that plays a lot less (at the right hours) to accomplish similar things. And if you don't do them properly.. now you're behind and everybody else has advantages over you.

Most of the content is built this way - mission tables to WQ's with despawns ranging from a few hours to 24 hours and spawn times ranging across the day and night, m+ where groups are primarily active at EU day-shift peak times and on the right affixes, M raids which lock you into playing at consistent times of day and consistent days, 3-7 day cycles on some other misc stuff which are totally reasonable in isolation but adding to the list of time stressors.

---

WoW is one of those games where trying to M raid on a schedule, do m+ regularly and keep up on gear/rep and general stuff completely shut down the rest of my life because i just couldn't plan around the particular type of hours that it demanded even though the amount of hours itself was doable without too much trouble.

There are some others where i can play 50 hours out of a 178 hour window and don't have to cancel, reschedule or mould any other activities - i just play and walk away whenever, for however long and as often as i want knowing that i can log in at some other point and i haven't lost anything of huge importance as long as the amount of hours per month is unchanged. In some games you can drop them at 3am or 3pm on consecutive days and it doesn't really matter at all, at least for many of the important activities in them. Several of the games that i'm thinking of there partially accomplish that by having worldwide playerbases - i play with both EU and US folks regularly in those games but in WoW i'm forced to conform to EU day-shift peak times for most of the relevant gameplay or go home basically.

There are some good reasons to structure a game like this (although i think it's taken to a ridiculous extreme at times) but one of the main downsides is that it makes it a nightmare of a game if you're not getting much out of it. If you're framing a large portion of your life around a hobby then it has to be highly enjoyable to really justify that!

On November 10 2018 12:22 HOLUP wrote:

And you are still paying. Damn you are dense. Why would you waste time in WoW when you could spend that in Fortnite? And you still spend time hating on the game you hate after its been out for month. What is it with people keep on doing that?
How do people do Mythic+ progress when its unplayable bugged?

On November 10 2018 22:03 {ToT}ColmA wrote:


quite the people person u are ~~

still playing cuz of people i played with for a long time (6yish now)

and that u recommend fortnite speaks volumes to me :D

m+ is annoying and i dont know if u know but playing keys in 18-19 range we certainly do struggle to do stuff like waycrest when 5 mobs come throu the wall or tol dagor at the cannon part and still giggle and shit cuz its all so much fun O.o

On November 11 2018 00:40 Noocta wrote:
Finding a guild for Cutting Edge progress that doesn't ask for too much raid time but still clears pretty fast so you're not stuck being in progress all the time is probably one of the toughest thing about raiding that level.

There's a reason we get so many applys in our top100 4 nights only guild.