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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
April 29 2015 01:19 GMT
#81
On April 29 2015 10:14 Cele wrote:
Perhaps im blindsighted by the *epic stare into nothing sadface* propaganda photos lol, i dunno. Very interesting article though.


lol hmm. Interesting point you made here about the pics
rip passion
neteX
Profile Joined April 2015
Sweden285 Posts
April 29 2015 01:25 GMT
#82
Awesome interview! tytyty!!
http://www.twitter.com/neteXLoL flw pls
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 01:30:37
April 29 2015 01:29 GMT
#83
On April 29 2015 10:19 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 10:14 Cele wrote:
Perhaps im blindsighted by the *epic stare into nothing sadface* propaganda photos lol, i dunno. Very interesting article though.


lol hmm. Interesting point you made here about the pics


yeah i was feeling for savior quite a bit when i read the article. However, replies made me aware that he is actually acting quite deceptive in his answers. Given that, it could very well be the case, that the photos were picked specifically to stir sentiments of pity in the reader, though i would'nt claim that, i have no proof at all and we're unable to get any.
Broodwar for life!
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
April 29 2015 02:14 GMT
#84
this thread is a travesty. that it remains open despite policy is a walking performative contradiction. i have nothing but utter disdain for anyone posting in support of this trash. as for this trash, I have nothing at all to feel for you; leave.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
Archaeo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States397 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 08:11:27
April 29 2015 02:37 GMT
#85
On April 29 2015 10:29 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 10:19 Deathstar wrote:
On April 29 2015 10:14 Cele wrote:
Perhaps im blindsighted by the *epic stare into nothing sadface* propaganda photos lol, i dunno. Very interesting article though.


lol hmm. Interesting point you made here about the pics


yeah i was feeling for savior quite a bit when i read the article. However, replies made me aware that he is actually acting quite deceptive in his answers. Given that, it could very well be the case, that the photos were picked specifically to stir sentiments of pity in the reader, though i would'nt claim that, i have no proof at all and we're unable to get any.


Yeah, his answers seem like an attempt to downplay his involvement. He says that he wasn't involved in match fixing and then goes onto say that he was the middle man? Can't forget these games:

Yo my chingu!!!
jinyung2
Profile Joined November 2014
Luxembourg1455 Posts
April 29 2015 02:37 GMT
#86
lol, why do people not get it. If a child molestor does time and is released would you be ok with him/her working at daycare center? I understand a lot of these guys were kids when this happened and most of them have pressure/monetary reasons for doing it and I forgive them (except Savior and Justin these two are utter trash). I'd totally buy clothes from hwasin's web store but I'd really like it if he wasn't streaming BW.

why is this thread even still open? its an interview from 2013 that's already been translated and discussed previously.
Argentina
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 03:11:22
April 29 2015 03:09 GMT
#87
On April 29 2015 11:37 jinyung2 wrote:
lol, why do people not get it. If a child molestor does time and is released would you be ok with him/her working at daycare center? I understand a lot of these guys were kids when this happened and most of them have pressure/monetary reasons for doing it and I forgive them (except Savior and Justin these two are utter trash). I'd totally buy clothes from hwasin's web store but I'd really like it if he wasn't streaming BW.

why is this thread even still open? its an interview from 2013 that's already been translated and discussed previously.


sAviOr did some fucked up stuff in the StarCraft scene but comparing matchfixing to child molestation is not even remotely in the same league. Yeah he's pretty shady and fucked up the scene but in no way in hell is he as bad (or even comes close) to a child abuser. That is incredibly fucked up to compare him to that.

I say let him be. He's not hurting anyone else other than himself playing StarCraft. If he overcomes his situation then all the best to him. I highly doubt he's going to screw up any pro-game scene anytime soon.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
April 29 2015 03:18 GMT
#88
On April 29 2015 10:00 prplhz wrote:
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On April 29 2015 09:15 Hot_Bid wrote:
I cheered for this guy through thick and thin and I loved that team that he was a part of. I remember sitting in a shitty China webcafe with no bandwidth having my friend IRC chat me his matches as they aired. I remember making CJ highlight videos, like when Skyhigh reverse all-killed Jaedong and his team in Proleague playoffs. My favorite memory of BW was CJ Effort reverse 0-2 to 3-2 sweeping Flash in the OSL Finals. I was at a TL meetup and everyone went to sleep because it was "over" and I was the only guy awake at 5am hoping he pulled it out.

Brood War produced some of the most amazing memories for me and got me into ESPORTS, and Savior was instrumental to destroying that scene and crushing CJ's awesome coach and his spirit.

Once upon a time, I made this: + Show Spoiler +


And I made this too: + Show Spoiler +


So yeah, FUCK Savior. Fuck him. I wish him failure in whatever he does in the future if its related in any way to competitive video games.

Edit: didn't read the interview

Edit2: read interview, he still maintains that he NEVER matchfixed??? not even a "sorry"?? fuck him even harder

he does apologize and he also says he apologized in that interview that never got published

"Of course it would be that I'm extremely sorry, not just to the other players, but also the people who worked for CJ as well. It's even worse for my coach, who had a lot of trust me."

"Because of me and this matchfixing scandal, the world of esports was engulfed in chaos. I'm really sorry for that. I know that my actions hurt other players and fans. So much time has passed allowing me to reflect on this incident. I want to say that I don't want to try to change people's view of me through this interview. I can only say I broke the rules, and have to keep apologizing and feeling regret."

way to reading comprehension

and apparently he never did matchfix (as in throw games), he encouraged and helped other people to do it. that's pretty much just as bad but you can't expect him to admit to something he didn't do.

please, I watched every single one of Saviors games, the good ones, the bad ones, and the ones during the match fixing period.

you want me to believe he was involved with match fixing on every level and never match fixed himself? i watched those games i know what happened in them.
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jinyung2
Profile Joined November 2014
Luxembourg1455 Posts
April 29 2015 03:34 GMT
#89
On April 29 2015 12:09 Neo7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 11:37 jinyung2 wrote:
lol, why do people not get it. If a child molestor does time and is released would you be ok with him/her working at daycare center? I understand a lot of these guys were kids when this happened and most of them have pressure/monetary reasons for doing it and I forgive them (except Savior and Justin these two are utter trash). I'd totally buy clothes from hwasin's web store but I'd really like it if he wasn't streaming BW.

why is this thread even still open? its an interview from 2013 that's already been translated and discussed previously.


sAviOr did some fucked up stuff in the StarCraft scene but comparing matchfixing to child molestation is not even remotely in the same league. Yeah he's pretty shady and fucked up the scene but in no way in hell is he as bad (or even comes close) to a child abuser. That is incredibly fucked up to compare him to that.

I say let him be. He's not hurting anyone else other than himself playing StarCraft. If he overcomes his situation then all the best to him. I highly doubt he's going to screw up any pro-game scene anytime soon.

sigh
if what you got out of that was im comparing matchfixing to child molestation then you've completely missed the point... its a fuckin analogy i mean cmon rofl

If he wants to play starcraft, fine. if he wants to stream it, fine. But if he expected not get hate and wants to complain about it, its like ?!?!?!?! what did you expect dude?!
Argentina
vicml21
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada165 Posts
April 29 2015 03:42 GMT
#90
That was a really interesting interview. I'm probably with the minority here, but I would love to see the guy get a second chance in SC2 to see what he could do (if he was actually interested). He's the reason I got really into BW, and I model my game after him to this day, because of his tactical prowess when he was successful.
"Meow" - Probe
gade1123
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
United States144 Posts
April 29 2015 03:47 GMT
#91
what s the feedback, everyone still hatin?
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
April 29 2015 03:51 GMT
#92
On April 29 2015 12:47 kingcastles wrote:
what s the feedback, everyone still hatin?


yup

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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 03:55:43
April 29 2015 03:55 GMT
#93
He needs to make decision. Someone should ask him why he didn't switched into SC2 which is unrelated to KeSPA? Some foreign company could buy him and sponsor for sure. And the nightmare which occured because of BW would be over.
sunbeams are never made like me...
chau sara
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
27 Posts
April 29 2015 04:04 GMT
#94
On April 29 2015 05:47 AleXoundOS wrote:
Can we allow Savior to be restreamed at snipealot channels?

yup
spl will never forget kt_violet. wu jeong ho rip you were a very GOOD person imcrying to this song and looking at your picture. its been almost 5 years and i still miss you so much... we will meet again one day in heaven ok? i know.
chau sara
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
27 Posts
April 29 2015 04:07 GMT
#95
On April 29 2015 11:14 itsjustatank wrote:
this thread is a travesty. that it remains open despite policy is a walking performative contradiction. i have nothing but utter disdain for anyone posting in support of this trash. as for this trash, I have nothing at all to feel for you; leave.

get a load of this guy
spl will never forget kt_violet. wu jeong ho rip you were a very GOOD person imcrying to this song and looking at your picture. its been almost 5 years and i still miss you so much... we will meet again one day in heaven ok? i know.
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 04:17:18
April 29 2015 04:16 GMT
#96
As controversial as it may be to say, banning sAviOr from ever competing and convicting him in court is a fair punishment. It seems there is always a bloodthirsty reaction to these sort of things to get some sort of vengance against the individual.

The truth is that his life has been ruined almost entirely since this incident, and we deserve to treat him with some humanity after his worthy punishment. He has been rightly banned from ever competing professionally (no one reasonable would debate this punishment), but perhaps we need to grow up too and see him as a person, too.

We are humans too, and humans make mistakes.
BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
April 29 2015 04:20 GMT
#97
On April 29 2015 13:16 Alucen-Will- wrote:
As controversial as it may be to say, banning sAviOr from ever competing and convicting him in court is a fair punishment. It seems there is always a bloodthirsty reaction to these sort of things to get some sort of vengance against the individual.

The truth is that his life has been ruined almost entirely since this incident, and we deserve to treat him with some humanity after his worthy punishment. He has been rightly banned from ever competing professionally (no one reasonable would debate this punishment), but perhaps we need to grow up too and see him as a person, too.

We are humans too, and humans make mistakes.


his life has been very good and filled with luxuries by abusing his fanbase.

it is clear you do not know truth
❤ BeSt... ༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ #YEAROFKOMA #YEAROFKOMA #YEAROFKOMA ༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
April 29 2015 04:22 GMT
#98
On April 29 2015 13:20 BeStFAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 13:16 Alucen-Will- wrote:
As controversial as it may be to say, banning sAviOr from ever competing and convicting him in court is a fair punishment. It seems there is always a bloodthirsty reaction to these sort of things to get some sort of vengance against the individual.

The truth is that his life has been ruined almost entirely since this incident, and we deserve to treat him with some humanity after his worthy punishment. He has been rightly banned from ever competing professionally (no one reasonable would debate this punishment), but perhaps we need to grow up too and see him as a person, too.

We are humans too, and humans make mistakes.


his life has been very good and filled with luxuries by abusing his fanbase.

it is clear you do not know truth


Did you read the interview?
BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
April 29 2015 04:23 GMT
#99
he gets fanbase to make many donation for luxury products on stream. if you are implying that it is hard life to be given everything you want you are fool
❤ BeSt... ༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ #YEAROFKOMA #YEAROFKOMA #YEAROFKOMA ༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-29 04:34:46
April 29 2015 04:28 GMT
#100
I want to point out that this interview is from 2013.

edit: Here's the original interview. http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=236&article_id=0000094925


The 'source' linked is a Chinese website known for taking articles and translating them without permission (they've taken my interviews before) and also putting their watermark over others' pics LOL. But yeah, this is a FOMOS article from forever ago, as the OP points out.
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