EPT[Interview] Savior Years Later - Page 7
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capu
Finland224 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On April 29 2015 18:04 letian wrote: I was never that much concerned with what Savior did than with how serious was the reaction to matchfixing in Korea. Every sport on this planet is corrupted in this way or another and it is naive to state the opposite. Back then Savior and the others were young and stupid, it does not excuse them but it in no way justifies how it was presented to the public. Why it was made public in the first place? It is clear that none of them was involved in anything serious. I believe that it was a horrible mistake to make it all go public and screw ppl's lives so badly. I'm with you on this. I mean look at the biggest sport in the world. Football. The FA is one of the most corrupt organisations on the planet and that's made little to no bearing on how popular the sport is. The worlds biggest sponsors sponsor Football and that's not going to change any time soon. The way this was brought forward and exposed was handled terribly. They could've dealt with it behind closed doors and nobody would've ever known and ever cared. Also please, the people claiming the match fixing drove the sponsors away... Can you please stop spouting that fallacy that has no evidence? The sponsors for Broodwar were already moving away from BW long before the match fixing started. You're just grabbing on to the stupid mistakes of young people and ignoring the bigger picture to I'm not sure, give yoursellf comfort or something. BW was on the decline for a long time and it wasn't going to last forever. Sponsors wanted to move onto something new that they thought would recreate 2006-7 era BW popularity and at first they thought it might be SC2, but then it soon became League of Legends. Video game "sports" are not as far developed and dug in as real sports. No eSport is ever going to last forever, especially when you have a single organisation (KeSPA) who was doing everything in their power to stop anyone else really getting involved. They made it a Korea only thing primarily and they choked out anyone not in their gentlemens club. They even continued to stream the game illegaly for years as they were profiting from the works of someone else who hadn't even given them permission to broadcast the damn thing. Look at the KeSPA vs Blizzard thing that also went on just before the Match fixing and just before SC2. The match fixing if anything made the smallest impact on eSports as a whole. It made the biggest effect on the players themselves who lost their livelyhoods and eventually people are going to need to forgive them if they ever want BW to be super popular again. We're in a post KeSPA BW world. Why waste time bringing back their stupid ideals. Isn't that what everyone was excited about when SC2 came out? That KeSPA couldn't hold their ridiculous rulings anymore and GOM would be in charge. On April 29 2015 11:37 Archaeo wrote: Yeah, his answers seem like an attempt to downplay his involvement. He says that he wasn't involved in match fixing and then goes onto say that he was the middle man? Can't forget these games: Claiming that first match especially was max fixed is strange. UpMagic did a relatively common build which Flash did rather often. He had a build order loss. They happened all the time to everyone. Does that mean every game that happened was match fixed? Second game also. I can't even count the number of games people have proxied something in a stupid place all throughout Broodwar. This was even 2 years before the match fixing scandal even came to light and even then they claimed it didn't go back that far. | ||
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Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
We all remember how strange it was for Savior to suddenly play so bad and never get out of his slump. He says a lot of funny stuff. Like how he ran the matchfixing scheme but never fixed himself, or that they didn't know it was wrong but did try to keep it secret. I also don't get why all these progamers keep hanging around with bw. Is it really impossible to go back to a normal life as a former progamer? Matchfixing stigma or not? He should have retired when he realized he was never going to be the no.1 player in the world again. You don't fix matches or run matchfixing rings when you are the no.1 player in the world. He could have been whatever he wants to be besides a progamer by now. Instead, he is still lying, apologizing for the unintended consequences and still begging for money through Africaa? | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
Yes he probably matchfixed those 1 or 2 games(still no proof remember.) and he was the middleman and introduced other players into it. Does that take away everything he achieved? Not for me. He was a true bonjwa. He took zerg from the bottom to the top and re-invented how people played the race. He destroyed players like Nada and Nal_Ra in MSL and OSL finals. People make mistakes in their lives. Because he did he shouldn't be allowed to do what he enjoys? Playing the damn game that he is so good at? Fuck that. I will always be a fan no matter what. The Maestro sAviOr fighting! | ||
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BeStFAN
483 Posts
On April 29 2015 19:49 DwD wrote: Man I don't give a fuck about all the hate. Yes he probably matchfixed those 1 or 2 games(still no proof remember.) and he was the middleman and introduced other players into it. Does that take away everything he achieved? Not for me. He was a true bonjwa. He took zerg from the bottom to the top and re-invented how people played the race. He destroyed players like Nada and Nal_Ra in MSL and OSL finals. People make mistakes in their lives. Because he did he shouldn't be allowed to do what he enjoys? Playing the damn game that he is so good at? Fuck that. I will always be a fan no matter what. The Maestro sAviOr fighting! blind fans like you give savior luxury products lol | ||
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BroskiDerpman
58 Posts
On April 29 2015 19:41 Alcathous wrote: You can't tell if a game is fixed or not just by looking at it. We all remember how strange it was for Savior to suddenly play so bad and never get out of his slump. He says a lot of funny stuff. Like how he ran the matchfixing scheme but never fixed himself, or that they didn't know it was wrong but did try to keep it secret. I also don't get why all these progamers keep hanging around with bw. Is it really impossible to go back to a normal life as a former progamer? Matchfixing stigma or not? He should have retired when he realized he was never going to be the no.1 player in the world again. You don't fix matches or run matchfixing rings when you are the no.1 player in the world. He could have been whatever he wants to be besides a progamer by now. Instead, he is still lying, apologizing for the unintended consequences and still begging for money through Africaa? Most progamers end up in low end jobs due to a lack of university education which you can say in most East Asian countries essentially determines what kind of job and life you get for the rest of your life. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19234 Posts
I see what you did there! | ||
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HeatEXTEND
Netherlands836 Posts
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
On April 29 2015 19:16 Qikz wrote: Also please, the people claiming the match fixing drove the sponsors away... Can you please stop spouting that fallacy that has no evidence? The sponsors for Broodwar were already moving away from BW long before the match fixing started. You're just grabbing on to the stupid mistakes of young people and ignoring the bigger picture to I'm not sure, give yourself comfort or something. BW was on the decline for a long time and it wasn't going to last forever. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/435981-savior-and-movie-invited-to-scntvs-bw-tournament?page=12#231 It might not be concrete evidence but there's a change before and after matchfixing that is worth noting. Another point to look at is the frequency of Starleagues in a year before and after matchfixing. If anything what you've said in bold is what there's literally no evidence of. lollllll | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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NasusAndDraven
359 Posts
If he still somewhat enjoys playing and gets good enough money from him, I would insult him for being an idiot for quitting. He is literally doing the only correct choice. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On April 29 2015 02:47 ArvickHero wrote: 김봉준 is britney, whose team used the matchfixing scandal as an excuse to cut him loose. Matchfixing is the official reason, but many people suspect that it was because he's ugly, and the team was looking to cut him out for any reason really. Tangentially, being ugly is also pretty much why Effort retired his first time, because CJ was offering him such a shit contract despite his results (because he was ugly, thus not marketing very well). As for Savior .. dude needs to just realize that he needs to leave everything Starcraft related if he ever wants to find peace. Get the money he's saved up from all his donations and shit, and just get out of the country, start a new life. Dude complains about how people still harass him about the matchfixing scandal, when he keeps shamelessly playing, streaming and competing in the game that he destroyed for more money .. give me a break jesus. Wow really? I kind of liked Effort because his facial expressions resemble Zerg features. He wasn't one of those pretty boy K-pop wannabes, he had that rough zerg look going for him (which I LIKED). It's crazy that they would try to kick him from the team because of his appearance. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
But i just can't. I hope for him the best because i once loved him so much and hate him as much at the same time.. He will still be the best BW player in my heart. Just next to Boxer. But never will i be abble to forgive him. On April 29 2015 19:58 BeStFAN wrote: blind fans like you give savior luxury products lol You can't compare Luxury and SaviOr. Savior didn't try to kill his wife..... | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On April 29 2015 18:23 letian wrote: ArvickHero, I don't know what is your problem but you're not a good person and I'd rather have a chat with a match fixer than sit with you at the same table. lol i totally agree with him savior should be banned for life from anything having to do with BW | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
savior is already banned from every competitive tourney possible,there is not comeback for him,but i can understand he keep playing ,afterall he is one of the guys that contribute to the history of this game,in the good and in the bad yes. | ||
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NasusAndDraven
359 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:19 Hot_Bid wrote: lol i totally agree with him savior should be banned for life from anything having to do with BW Who would enforce this ban? Korean goverment? World police? Blizzard? Angry nerds? | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:40 NasusAndDraven wrote: Who would enforce this ban? Korean goverment? World police? Blizzard? Angry nerds? not saying its enforceable, hence the "should" its like pete rose getting banned for life from baseball | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
 Thanks for the read. | ||
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Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
On April 29 2015 20:30 BroskiDerpman wrote: Most progamers end up in low end jobs due to a lack of university education which you can say in most East Asian countries essentially determines what kind of job and life you get for the rest of your life. No one is born with a university education. Lot's of athletes have to go back to school at a later age once their career is over. And even so, why don't they move on and work a lower or middle tier job. Is it really better to stream for the rest of your life? I mean, even Testie quit streaming by now. | ||
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NasusAndDraven
359 Posts
On April 29 2015 22:44 Hot_Bid wrote: not saying its enforceable, hence the "should" its like pete rose getting banned for life from baseball So if it was enforcable he would be? Anyway Savior went on trial and served his lawful punishment. Justice has been served in the most literal meaning. I dont get what else there is to grieve about. Also where there is demand, there will be supply, thats how free market works. Thats why he streams. | ||
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