EPTBut he shouldn't get to play the game he ruined for everyone.
[Interview] Savior Years Later - Page 6
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
But he shouldn't get to play the game he ruined for everyone. | ||
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lestye
United States4163 Posts
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
don't buy the interview dude, its mostly bullshit.. one good example is when the questioner asks if he bans people for saying "matchfix" and he says he doesn't anymore, that's pure bullshit, If he was online right now and you typed anything even remotely close to matchfix (you can even type something like juventus LOL), you get banned. he contradicts a lot of stuff and the reason he won't answer the questions about why he started streaming on afreeca is because his reasons are simply easy monetary gain. his motives for matchfixing were the same too probably. He wasn't in the same financial/family situation as someone like Hwasin who has said that the reason for accepting the matchfixing offers had to do with his family's financial situation being a struggle nor did he have pressure from his seniors like go.go did with Justin, Savior didn't have any of that. He grew up in a fairly wealthy family is a nice part of seoul. He even has celebrity and well known figures as friends. after the whole scandal and him getting off with such a lax punishment, he coulda done pretty much anything else. He wasn't in some kind of situation where if he doesn't have money he will be homeless on the streets. He didn't even have to do his mandatory military service because of his knee or some shit, so he could do what pretty much everyone else in his age group would be doing, studying and trying to get into school. but instead he chooses the easy way out and tries to victimize himself like he had no choice. On April 29 2015 13:16 Alucen-Will- wrote: ....The truth is that his life has been ruined almost entirely since this incident. if you seriously believe this you are writing yourself some kind of fiction novel... | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On April 29 2015 14:02 jinyung2 wrote: He didn't even have to do his mandatory military service because of his knee or some shit, wow in other conscription countries you would still have to do clerical work, how did he got off the hook so easily. its not like hes wheelchair bound | ||
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
On April 29 2015 14:16 Probemicro wrote: wow in other conscription countries you would still have to do clerical work, how did he got off the hook so easily. its not like hes wheelchair bound yeah even in korea, even if you have some kind of minor health issue you will be doing either public service work or some kind of clerical work. He walks just fine, he has pictures of him clubbing with his friend so he probably hops around just fine. I don't know how he got off but it's definitely shady. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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tube
United States1475 Posts
Perhaps other factors like the onset of sc2 and pressure from blizzard played bigger factors in its demise than people give credit for. not defending savior, btw | ||
digmouse
China6329 Posts
On April 29 2015 16:16 tube wrote: Can someone explain why matchfixing destroyed bw so hard, but the infamous 322 of dota 2 did virtually no damage to the scene? Perhaps other factors like the onset of sc2 and pressure from blizzard played bigger factors in its demise than people give credit for. not defending savior, btw At the time BW was on the track of declining but is still the biggest game in Korea, the scandal cemented a lot of sponsors' mind to back out. It doesn't help that SC2 arrived just mere months later. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19234 Posts
On April 29 2015 13:45 lestye wrote: I'm in the same boat. I can easily forgive him for his sins, but that doesn't mean he shouldnt suffer the consequences for his deeds. He has no business in the scene. Yup. I forgive him in answer to his apology, but I do not think he should return. He caused the most damage and I'm not sure there is a healthy scenario where he is playing in premier leagues again. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
He was the middleman and he match fixed. Greed got the best of him, and he destroyed an entire industry. Fuck him, nevermind how good he can play. | ||
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-Switch-
Canada506 Posts
On April 29 2015 02:55 Peeano wrote: ???? What about this game? Imho Savior is just greedy and a liar. I'm sure he's sorry and it sucks for him to be hated that much, but I'll never forgive/believe him unless he can either provide proof or admit that he matchfixed. I honestly can't feel sorry for a liar. Maybe he does speak the truth, however I don't believe him and it seems to me Koreans do not believe him either. I think that's the biggest reason why he will remain hated and unforgiven. stop calling him a liar when you say yourself you're not sure whether or not he did it | ||
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
On April 29 2015 15:49 Rekrul wrote: 10/10 would laugh again | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On April 29 2015 02:47 ArvickHero wrote: 김봉준 is britney, whose team used the matchfixing scandal as an excuse to cut him loose. Matchfixing is the official reason, but many people suspect that it was because he's ugly, and the team was looking to cut him out for any reason really. Tangentially, being ugly is also pretty much why Effort retired his first time, because CJ was offering him such a shit contract despite his results (because he was ugly, thus not marketing very well). As for Savior .. dude needs to just realize that he needs to leave everything Starcraft related if he ever wants to find peace. Get the money he's saved up from all his donations and shit, and just get out of the country, start a new life. Dude complains about how people still harass him about the matchfixing scandal, when he keeps shamelessly playing, streaming and competing in the game that he destroyed for more money .. give me a break jesus. This is one of the most disgusting things I've read here. But I agree with you about Savior leaving everything related with BW, masses gonna eat him up alive. | ||
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Xiphias
Norway2223 Posts
Yeah, I do feel Savior's punishment might have been too severe. Would give anything to see him play some more back in his prime before the scandal. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
It's fine to forgive but not forget. He doesn't deserve to come back to the competitive scene. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On April 29 2015 02:47 ArvickHero wrote: 김봉준 is britney, whose team used the matchfixing scandal as an excuse to cut him loose. Matchfixing is the official reason, but many people suspect that it was because he's ugly, and the team was looking to cut him out for any reason really. Tangentially, being ugly is also pretty much why Effort retired his first time, because CJ was offering him such a shit contract despite his results (because he was ugly, thus not marketing very well). As for Savior .. dude needs to just realize that he needs to leave everything Starcraft related if he ever wants to find peace. Get the money he's saved up from all his donations and shit, and just get out of the country, start a new life. Dude complains about how people still harass him about the matchfixing scandal, when he keeps shamelessly playing, streaming and competing in the game that he destroyed for more money .. give me a break jesus. Completely agree. I really want people who make a mistake to find peace, we all makes mistakes. But he probably won't find peace staying in the same world (esport) and especially not in the exact same game.. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On April 29 2015 04:23 ArvickHero wrote: For the record, I'm pretty mad that Hwasin is playing BW again and I think it is hypocritical that people are being so lenient about it. I don't think a life-time ban from the game is unreasonable, as the match-fixers of the infamous Black Sox scandal had received the same punishment. The match-fixers pretty much crippled a thriving e-Sports scene, and either endangered or ended the livelihoods of everyone else in the industry. They undermined the integrity of the game, causing great damage to the trust of the sponsors and viewers. It's not unreasonable to expect the match-fixers to stay the fuck away from the game after causing it so much harm, because they were too damn selfish and greedy. They didn't just harm themselves--they harmed everyone else, and Savior is the most shameless about it. Yet, Savior insists that it's still his right to earn money via streaming and playing in tournaments, because he's a greedy lazy fuck that doesn't want to do anything else. If he was REALLY repentant about his actions, and insisting that he just wants to play the game because he loves it, then he could EASILY turn off the donate balloon function for his stream. But he doesn't, because all he cares about is money. Maybe he doesn't have to move out of the country, but he could at least TRY to make a living off of something not related to Starcraft. Perhaps this is why Hwasin gets a free pass in some people's books--because he showed himself to be not completely pathetic and established his own business, making a livelihood off of something that isn't the game he helped destroy. For that reason alone he's better than Savior (but he still shouldn't stream or compete). ArvickHero, I don't know what is your problem but you're not a good person and I'd rather have a chat with a match fixer than sit with you at the same table. | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On April 29 2015 09:15 Hot_Bid wrote: I cheered for this guy through thick and thin and I loved that team that he was a part of. I remember sitting in a shitty China webcafe with no bandwidth having my friend IRC chat me his matches as they aired. I remember making CJ highlight videos, like when Skyhigh reverse all-killed Jaedong and his team in Proleague playoffs. My favorite memory of BW was CJ Effort reverse 0-2 to 3-2 sweeping Flash in the OSL Finals. I was at a TL meetup and everyone went to sleep because it was "over" and I was the only guy awake at 5am hoping he pulled it out. Brood War produced some of the most amazing memories for me and got me into ESPORTS, and Savior was instrumental to destroying that scene and crushing CJ's awesome coach and his spirit. Once upon a time, I made this: + Show Spoiler + And I made this too: + Show Spoiler + So yeah, FUCK Savior. Fuck him. I wish him failure in whatever he does in the future if its related in any way to competitive video games. Edit: didn't read the interview Edit2: read interview, he still maintains that he NEVER matchfixed??? not even a "sorry"?? fuck him even harder Pretty much. I have ever since BW era in Korea and the upstart of BW through TL with the foreign TLS searched for a similar scene. It just isn't there. Imagine that BW scene with todays possibilites for streaming etc. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
On April 29 2015 10:29 Cele wrote: yeah i was feeling for savior quite a bit when i read the article. However, replies made me aware that he is actually acting quite deceptive in his answers. Given that, it could very well be the case, that the photos were picked specifically to stir sentiments of pity in the reader, though i would'nt claim that, i have no proof at all and we're unable to get any. not as deceptive as marineking | ||
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