EPTsavior was leader and convince other younger player to matchfix; his actions do not reflect severity
[Interview] Savior Years Later - Page 4
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BeStFAN
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On April 29 2015 04:23 ArvickHero wrote: For the record, I'm pretty mad that Hwasin is playing BW again and I think it is hypocritical that people are being so lenient about it. I don't think a life-time ban from the game is unreasonable, as the match-fixers of the infamous Black Sox scandal had received the same punishment. The match-fixers pretty much crippled a thriving e-Sports scene, and either endangered or ended the livelihoods of everyone else in the industry. They undermined the integrity of the game, causing great damage to the trust of the sponsors and viewers. It's not unreasonable to expect the match-fixers to stay the fuck away from the game after causing it so much harm, because they were too damn selfish and greedy. They didn't just harm themselves--they harmed everyone else, and Savior is the most shameless about it. Yet, Savior insists that it's still his right to earn money via streaming and playing in tournaments, because he's a greedy lazy fuck that doesn't want to do anything else. If he was REALLY repentant about his actions, and insisting that he just wants to play the game because he loves it, then he could EASILY turn off the donate balloon function for his stream. But he doesn't, because all he cares about is money. Maybe he doesn't have to move out of the country, but he could at least TRY to make a living off of something not related to Starcraft. Perhaps this is why Hwasin gets a free pass in some people's books--because he showed himself to be not completely pathetic and established his own business, making a livelihood off of something that isn't the game he helped destroy. For that reason alone he's better than Savior (but he still shouldn't stream or compete). -the scene actually wasnt thriving. People dont remember or they dont recall, but viewership reached its peak in 2006 and was slowly dropping off ever since. sc2, match fixing, and a general decline all did damage to the scene. -Its not unreasonable to want match fixers not to play in actual tournies as their credibility is obviously in question, but your assertion that he has to be a greedy lazy fuck to want to earn an income from bw is entirely arbitrary. Theres not one single logical or emotional reason to assume genuine remorse is incompatible with offering a stream and a donation option, theres not even a reason to assume hes lazy by doing this. It earns him better money than the alternatives. He doesnt need to wear a hair shirt and flagellate himself. Streaming is the best option for his life and so he does it. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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RHCPgergo
Hungary345 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18624 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Is it just me or did that interview really come off disingenuous. It felt like he had the way he wanted to paint things the moment shit blew up and was sad that no one got to ask him so he could downplay certain parts and then ignore the rest. I'm quite surprised how hard he's downplaying some stuff and feigning ignorance on others. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12027 Posts
On April 29 2015 06:49 nadafanboy42 wrote: Yes criminals can be rehabilitated, but rehabilitation doesn't necessarily mean being accepted back into their old lives. A pilot who gets caught trying to fly drunk doesn't get to work as a pilot again, and a match fixer doesn't get to play their sport again. It's harsh, but that's life. It's like cheating on a spouse and expecting them to just take you back a year later because 'you've changed', only a fool would buy that. If they were really learning from their mistakes, they'd be making a new life for themselves. And then maybe if like ten, twenty years later they wanted to play again I'd personally be willing to consider. But coming back barely a year, two years, later and acting like match fixing is something you can just forgive and forget, I don't agree with that. Match fixing alongside doping is the absolute worst thing a sportsman can do, it doesn't just affect their own record, it turns their entire sport into a farce. a year or two later? It's been 5 years now. What difference is 5-20 years other than time. It's beyond the point of being a punishment now, much like insanely long prison sentances for pety crimes. It serves no purpose, he's lived with what he's done and been aptly punished. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
Brood War produced some of the most amazing memories for me and got me into ESPORTS, and Savior was instrumental to destroying that scene and crushing CJ's awesome coach and his spirit. Once upon a time, I made this: + Show Spoiler + And I made this too: + Show Spoiler + So yeah, FUCK Savior. Fuck him. I wish him failure in whatever he does in the future if its related in any way to competitive video games. Edit: didn't read the interview Edit2: read interview, he still maintains that he NEVER matchfixed??? not even a "sorry"?? fuck him even harder | ||
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China13814 Posts
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PostNationalism
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Rukis
United States252 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 29 2015 09:15 Hot_Bid wrote: I cheered for this guy through thick and thin and I loved that team that he was a part of. I remember sitting in a shitty China webcafe with no bandwidth having my friend IRC chat me his matches as they aired. I remember making CJ highlight videos, like when Skyhigh reverse all-killed Jaedong and his team in Proleague playoffs. My favorite memory of BW was CJ Effort reverse 0-2 to 3-2 sweeping Flash in the OSL Finals. I was at a TL meetup and everyone went to sleep because it was "over" and I was the only guy awake at 5am hoping he pulled it out. Brood War produced some of the most amazing memories for me and got me into ESPORTS, and Savior was instrumental to destroying that scene and crushing CJ's awesome coach and his spirit. Once upon a time, I made this: + Show Spoiler + And I made this too: + Show Spoiler + So yeah, FUCK Savior. Fuck him. I wish him failure in whatever he does in the future if its related in any way to competitive video games. Edit: didn't read the interview Edit2: read interview, he still maintains that he NEVER matchfixed??? not even a "sorry"?? fuck him even harder he does apologize and he also says he apologized in that interview that never got published "Of course it would be that I'm extremely sorry, not just to the other players, but also the people who worked for CJ as well. It's even worse for my coach, who had a lot of trust me." "Because of me and this matchfixing scandal, the world of esports was engulfed in chaos. I'm really sorry for that. I know that my actions hurt other players and fans. So much time has passed allowing me to reflect on this incident. I want to say that I don't want to try to change people's view of me through this interview. I can only say I broke the rules, and have to keep apologizing and feeling regret." way to reading comprehension and apparently he never did matchfix (as in throw games), he encouraged and helped other people to do it. that's pretty much just as bad but you can't expect him to admit to something he didn't do. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19320 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
Perhaps im blindsighted by the *epic stare into nothing sadface* propaganda photos lol, i dunno. Very interesting article though. | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
On April 29 2015 09:15 Hot_Bid wrote: Edit2: read interview, he still maintains that he NEVER matchfixed??? not even a "sorry"?? fuck him even harder Just curious, do you feel this way because there exist matches that you think without a doubt were fixed, or because you think it's just incredibly unlikely that he would not have fixed any of his games if he was already involved with fixing other player's games? I don't know, from my perspective, it really doesn't seem that outrageous to believe him when he says that he never threw a game (not to downplay any of the things that he was confirmed to have done). | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On April 29 2015 03:08 Peeano wrote: Could you provide a source on Effort getting a shit contract simply because of his looks? I thought he looked unique, cool, badass even, but not ugly. I know a lot of people on TL called him an alien/hawk. I think both Flash and Stork - for example - are uglier than Effort. Really? C'mon, dude. Effort is cool as ice, but he is weird-looking. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On April 29 2015 09:58 Rukis wrote: I personally dont think his legacy is corrupted. If you have to sit there and mention how he "match-fixed" when savior comes into a conversation I would go as far to say you are worse than savior. WTF?? | ||
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Hier
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