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Netherlands5213 Posts
On April 29 2015 02:47 ArvickHero wrote:
김봉준 is britney, whose team used the matchfixing scandal as an excuse to cut him loose. Matchfixing is the official reason, but many people suspect that it was because he's ugly, and the team was looking to cut him out for any reason really. Tangentially, being ugly is also pretty much why Effort retired his first time, because CJ was offering him such a shit contract despite his results (because he was ugly, thus not marketing very well).
As for Savior .. dude needs to just realize that he needs to leave everything Starcraft related if he ever wants to find peace. Get the money he's saved up from all his donations and shit, and just get out of the country, start a new life. Dude complains about how people still harass him about the matchfixing scandal, when he keeps shamelessly playing, streaming and competing in the game that he destroyed for more money .. give me a break jesus.
Could you provide a source on Effort getting a shit contract simply because of his looks? I thought he looked unique, cool, badass even, but not ugly. I know a lot of people on TL called him an alien/hawk.
I think both Flash and Stork - for example - are uglier than Effort.
I totally agree (even if he speaks the truth). It's the best thing for him to do.
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Agree with ArvickHero, it really would be better for him to just leave all this behind him as soon as he can.
After the scandal I actually fantasised about Savior joining a police academy and working in a fraud department.
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The consequences sAviOr has endured, both legal and social, are suffient. Anything additional would just be unusually cruel. Having a herd of fanatics going around harassing your family and prospective employers for years is far harsher than anyone should be subjected to.
meh i know what he did was morally reprehensible and contributed to taking down a small industry but expecting him to go into self imposed exile for it is beyond ridiculous and symptomatic of all those blood hungry pitchfork wielding... not so nice/fair people who are after him.
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arvick had it wrong effort was not given a shit contract because of looks
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/466030-afreeca-feed?page=21#418
its just that with the matchfixing scandal is basically used as a fake excuse to off players without having to state the actual reasons. effort retired the first time because of cost cutting measures that impacted his contract salary and underhanded negotiation tactics, effort was offed the 2nd time because of poor sc2 performance, but coach park use the excuse of matchfixing to off him.
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Katowice25012 Posts
I like the part where he's somehow surprised that the news of the matchfixing stuff made it out of Korea.
Also this:
Part Three: He never imagined that matchfixing would cause such an outarge. Now he streams to make money.
lol?
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even after so many years...I would like to forgive, but I still can't forget; such a waste of raw talent...all of them...its heartbreaking...
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I don't believe him in the slightest when he says he never personally matchfixed in any of his games. As he said, I'm certainly not going to be changing my opinion on him. He's done enough damage already, he and the rest of us should just forget and move on with our lives.
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Interesting read for sure! Didn't really follow Starcraft back then, but even I know about it. Kinda funny he was surprised that people outside of Korea knew. Does he still stream on Afreeca now?
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lmao why do you think CJ would try to cut their hottest player as a "cost cutting measure"? It's because he was ugly and not marketable to the masses in the same way Savior and Iris were. Maybe it's not as explicitly stated in that post like it is with Britney, but it sure as hell is heavily implied.
Also, Flash isn't really ugly, just kinda average .. Stork was definitely pretty fugz for a while, but goddamn did he clean up nicely. Maybe it's different to a westerner's perspective.
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its almost mid 2015...savior is still content with playing BW for his viewers reaching top of the fish ladder, other afreeca streamers dont give much of a damn about him anymore, the korean bw scene continues its revival with more tourneys, the world keeps spinning, greed and bribery ensures that the illegal gambling circles and sites continue to operate with impunity, blatant matchfixing continues on in other sports...
why are you still hating again?
On April 29 2015 03:36 ArvickHero wrote:
lmao why do you think CJ would try to cut their hottest player as a "cost cutting measure"? It's because he was ugly and not marketable to the masses in the same way Savior and Iris were. Maybe it's not as explicitly stated in that post like it is with Britney, but it sure as hell is heavily implied.
Also, Flash isn't really ugly, just kinda average .. Stork was definitely pretty fugz for a while, but goddamn did he clean up nicely. Maybe it's different to a westerner's perspective.
did you even read, cj was not intentionally trying to off effort first time round, just trying to cut his salary due to cost cutting thanks to the matchfixing scandal earlier PLUS the emergence of sc2. it just backfired on them and they probably let him since its his wish and sc2 signifies a fresh start anyway.
and LOL flash is one ugly dude in his younger years, if it wasnt for his superior raw talent kt would have offed him long ago
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On April 29 2015 03:08 Peeano wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 02:47 ArvickHero wrote:
김봉준 is britney, whose team used the matchfixing scandal as an excuse to cut him loose. Matchfixing is the official reason, but many people suspect that it was because he's ugly, and the team was looking to cut him out for any reason really. Tangentially, being ugly is also pretty much why Effort retired his first time, because CJ was offering him such a shit contract despite his results (because he was ugly, thus not marketing very well).
As for Savior .. dude needs to just realize that he needs to leave everything Starcraft related if he ever wants to find peace. Get the money he's saved up from all his donations and shit, and just get out of the country, start a new life. Dude complains about how people still harass him about the matchfixing scandal, when he keeps shamelessly playing, streaming and competing in the game that he destroyed for more money .. give me a break jesus. Could you provide a source on Effort getting a shit contract simply because of his looks? I thought he looked unique, cool, badass even, but not ugly. I know a lot of people on TL called him an alien/hawk. I think both Flash and Stork - for example - are uglier than Effort. I totally agree (even if he speaks the truth). It's the best thing for him to do.
Effort by Korean general facial style, is considered ugly, so no suprise he got a shit contract from CJ as the part of CJ that runs the Starcraft team is the Entertainment branch, who for marketing uses really good looking models/actors/actresses/kpop stars so they couldn't really use a guy like Effort for marketing and for them the starcraft team is all about marketing and not achievement based.
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On April 29 2015 03:36 ArvickHero wrote:
lmao why do you think CJ would try to cut their hottest player as a "cost cutting measure"? It's because he was ugly and not marketable to the masses in the same way Savior and Iris were. Maybe it's not as explicitly stated in that post like it is with Britney, but it sure as hell is heavily implied.
Also, Flash isn't really ugly, just kinda average .. Stork was definitely pretty fugz for a while, but goddamn did he clean up nicely. Maybe it's different to a westerner's perspective.
It's funny how this is even a topic. This sort of thing is done all around the world behind closed doors, but it almost feels like Korea doesn't care about concealing their motivations. You see this in a lot k-pop where within the most popular groups the songs tend to be very repetitive and clearly lack artistic substances. The west does it too with most popular artists (where characters for artists like rihanna, taylor swift, etc are manufactured by producers/executives), but they try to conceal it at least.
On a more serious note, its a real shame that this is the case. I think Korea is really moving past these sort of things though from what I can tell (at least in recent times with more exposure to western audiences/general education)
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United States2948 Posts
Thanks for sharing, CloudCloud 
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United States338 Posts
For me, it is hard to hate Savior. The first time I ever watched StarCraft was during Blizzcon 2008. I grew up on Warcraft 3, but after watching Savior win Blizzcon 08' I went out to a Wal-Mart late that night and bought the StarCraft: Battle Chest. From there I discovered TeamLiquid and afreecaTV.
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did you even read my first post, I said that he was being a shit contract because of his looks. CJ undercutting negotiations and offering a shitty contract is directly because of Effort being ugly and not marketable, which led to his retirement.
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/choboPEon/flashj.jpg)
Flash looks kinda cute here.
Not saying that Flash is actually a good looking guy, but he's definitely not ugly. Again, he's average. TL History agrees with me here by placing him in a B ranking
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On April 29 2015 03:49 Mattidute wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 03:08 Peeano wrote:On April 29 2015 02:47 ArvickHero wrote:
김봉준 is britney, whose team used the matchfixing scandal as an excuse to cut him loose. Matchfixing is the official reason, but many people suspect that it was because he's ugly, and the team was looking to cut him out for any reason really. Tangentially, being ugly is also pretty much why Effort retired his first time, because CJ was offering him such a shit contract despite his results (because he was ugly, thus not marketing very well).
As for Savior .. dude needs to just realize that he needs to leave everything Starcraft related if he ever wants to find peace. Get the money he's saved up from all his donations and shit, and just get out of the country, start a new life. Dude complains about how people still harass him about the matchfixing scandal, when he keeps shamelessly playing, streaming and competing in the game that he destroyed for more money .. give me a break jesus. Could you provide a source on Effort getting a shit contract simply because of his looks? I thought he looked unique, cool, badass even, but not ugly. I know a lot of people on TL called him an alien/hawk. I think both Flash and Stork - for example - are uglier than Effort. I totally agree (even if he speaks the truth). It's the best thing for him to do. Effort by Korean general facial style, is considered ugly, so no suprise he got a shit contract from CJ as the part of CJ that runs the Starcraft team is the Entertainment branch, who for marketing uses really good looking models/actors/actresses/kpop stars so they couldn't really use a guy like Effort for marketing and for them the starcraft team is all about marketing and not achievement based.
thats not a source.
oh and insinuating cj is only about looks, what about the other players then beside savior? they arent exactly kpop looks either. and unlike effort they have not exactly won the osl finals over flash, only look matter, yeah.
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On April 29 2015 03:54 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 03:49 Mattidute wrote:On April 29 2015 03:08 Peeano wrote:On April 29 2015 02:47 ArvickHero wrote:
김봉준 is britney, whose team used the matchfixing scandal as an excuse to cut him loose. Matchfixing is the official reason, but many people suspect that it was because he's ugly, and the team was looking to cut him out for any reason really. Tangentially, being ugly is also pretty much why Effort retired his first time, because CJ was offering him such a shit contract despite his results (because he was ugly, thus not marketing very well).
As for Savior .. dude needs to just realize that he needs to leave everything Starcraft related if he ever wants to find peace. Get the money he's saved up from all his donations and shit, and just get out of the country, start a new life. Dude complains about how people still harass him about the matchfixing scandal, when he keeps shamelessly playing, streaming and competing in the game that he destroyed for more money .. give me a break jesus. Could you provide a source on Effort getting a shit contract simply because of his looks? I thought he looked unique, cool, badass even, but not ugly. I know a lot of people on TL called him an alien/hawk. I think both Flash and Stork - for example - are uglier than Effort. I totally agree (even if he speaks the truth). It's the best thing for him to do. Effort by Korean general facial style, is considered ugly, so no suprise he got a shit contract from CJ as the part of CJ that runs the Starcraft team is the Entertainment branch, who for marketing uses really good looking models/actors/actresses/kpop stars so they couldn't really use a guy like Effort for marketing and for them the starcraft team is all about marketing and not achievement based. thats not a source. oh and insinuating cj is only about looks, what about the other players then beside savior? they arent exactly kpop looks either. and unlike effort they have not exactly won the osl finals over flash, only look matter, yeah.
I mean a perfect example is their current ace cj herO. He is a very good looking guy and has the sort of "kpop personality" that you would expect from an organization like cj entus. This sort of thing is no accident
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On April 29 2015 03:54 ArvickHero wrote:did you even read my first post, I said that he was being a shit contract because of his looks. CJ undercutting negotiations and offering a shitty contract is directly because of Effort being ugly and not marketable, which led to his retirement. Flash looks kinda cute here. Not saying that Flash is actually a good looking guy, but he's definitely not ugly. Again, he's average. TL History agrees with me here by placing him in a B ranking
Man they had JD at a B! I'm not really a woman but he seems like a pretty good looking guy.
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Yeah... the bottom line is the people who should matter most to us are not the gamblers, the business institutions that run the teams, but it is the players.
savior is an amazing player. Stop being overly dramatic about him single handedly destroying bw when matchfixing and gambling is present in all areas of competition. You move on. You look at the present and what you want for the future. He's playing bw because that's his primary game that he has played in his life, and he's fucking good at it. Don't watch him if you don't like him but don't call it "shameless" that he streams for money when that's what everyone else is doing.
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When you see all those people harassing over the internet it really makes you wish that internet would display the true ID of people.
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