EPTApparently Andrej Petkow is a German mercenary, a peaceful protester and a pediatric surgeon depending on who's asking him
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
Apparently Andrej Petkow is a German mercenary, a peaceful protester and a pediatric surgeon depending on who's asking him | ||
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Fjodorov
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/13/us-russia-protests-idUSBREA3C0HV20140413 Some good news among the wave of sad developements | ||
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Mc
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On April 14 2014 21:50 Maenander wrote: So apparently Russian media hired the same actor for three different roles lol. Apparently Andrej Petkow is a German mercenary, a peaceful protester and a pediatric surgeon depending on who's asking him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_hwHiLiOvY seriously give him a break. He is a hard working man trying to handle 3 jobs at once. Ukraine needs more people like him. | ||
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Mc
332 Posts
On April 14 2014 22:17 Fjodorov wrote: "(Reuters) - About 5,000 Russians, some waving Ukrainian flags, rallied in central Moscow on Sunday to protest at what they say is a government crackdown on independent media intended to stifle debate about the crisis in Ukraine." http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/13/us-russia-protests-idUSBREA3C0HV20140413 Some good news among the wave of sad developements 5000 people for a city of 11.5 million ? That's more sad news to me. Few years back Moscow had tens of thousands of protestors :/ Feb 2012: 160,000 participants according to organizers or 38,000 according to Police - protesting for fair elections. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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That's one of the big countries, don't see France or Germany budging yet. *** Don't know if 5k is correct: | ||
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Fjodorov
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On April 14 2014 22:20 Mc wrote: 5000 people for a city of 11.5 million ? That's more sad news to me. Few years back Moscow had tens of thousands of protestors :/ Feb 2012: 160,000 participants according to organizers or 38,000 according to Police - protesting for fair elections. some other reports said it was 10 000. But either way, with the current climate in Russia I would still say im glad to see there are thousands off people out protesting against the propaganda and oppression of free media. | ||
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kwizach
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Cheerio
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
First part is a conversation between the two nicknamed "Nose" and "Adler". One of them gives instructions to the other regarding amunition. Second part between "Strelok" and "Agat". One of them reports to the other that they covered some roads but there are others they can't cover since he doesn't have enough men (10 men and only 7 are armed). The other says he will send reinforcements. Another men takes the phone and warns that there will be their group entering the town and that they SHOULD NOT fire on sight. [This is in line with information spread by the government that separatists were firing on sight and no negotiations were possible]. Third part: "Strelok" and someone from Russia (the fact is confirmed in the conversation) calling from the number on the screen, called Alexander. Strelok reports about the yesterdays events when a few cars of SBU high ranked officers came under heavy fire. Strelok says they set up a trap and covered 3 cars basically killing or heavily injuring everyone inside [again in line with previous reports that separatists were firing without warning. But the official report implies far less casualties]. It's not in the conversation but looks like they retreated after the attack since they didn't really know what casualties exactly they caused and who was inside, only knowing it was somebody high-ranked since the cars were VIP. Alexander congratulated Strelok and informed that they were sent reinforcements from Lugansk who have combat experience. Strelok asked for anti-tank equipment. Fourth part: same people. Alexander says that Strelok would be contacted by Life News from Moscow and asks Strelok to get some of his deputies who has Ukrainian accent. He insists that the deputy should be doing the talking and explains the separatists demands: federalisation, immediate governor's elections before the 25th with the intention that Verhovna Rada could not ratify foreign loans without 2/3s of region's votes, and also adds that the last point is VERY important. Fifth part: Strelok reports to somebody named Konstantin Valeriovich but at the same telephone number from Russia. The information is mostly the same. The other man asks if they reported to Aksyonov [official leader of Crimean separatists] and says that he would be meating him [Aksyonov] shortly. | ||
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Mc
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On April 15 2014 02:59 Cheerio wrote: About that video. First part is a conversation between the two nicknamed "Nose" and "Adler". One of them gives instructions to the other regarding amunution. Second part between "Strelok" and "Agat". One of them reports to the other that they covered some roads but there are others they can't cover since he doesn't have enough men (10 men and only 7 are armed). The other says he will send reinforcements. Another men takes the phone and warns that there will be their group entering the town and that they SHOULD NOT fire on sight. [This is in line with information spread by the government that separatists were firing on sight and no negotiations were possible]. Third part: "Strelok" and someone from Russia (the fact is confirmed in the conversation) calling from the number on the screen, called Alexander. Strelok reports about the yesterdays events when a few cars of SBU high ranked officers came under heavy fire. Strelok says they set up a trap and covered 3 cars basically killing or heavily injuring everyone inside [again in line with previous reports that separatists were firing on sight. But the official report implies far less casualties]. It's not in the conversation but looks like they retreated after the attack since they didn't really know what casualties exactly they caused and who was inside, only knowing it was somebody high-ranked since the cars were VIP. Alexander congratulated Strelok and informed that they were sent reinforcements from Lugansk who have combat experience. Strelok asked for anti-tank equipment. Forth part: same people. Alexander says that Strelok would be contacted by Life News from Moscow and asks Strelok to get some of his deputies who has Ukrainian accent. He insists that the deputy should be doing the talking and explains the separatists demands: federalisation, immediate governor's elections before the 25th with the intention that Verhovna Rada could not ratify foreign loans without 2/3s of region's votes, and also adds that the last point is VERY important. Fifth part: Strelok reports to somebody named Konstantin Valeriovich but at the same telephone number. The information is mostly the same. The other man asks if they reported to Aksyonov [official leader of Crimean separatists] and that he would be meating him [Aksyonov] shortly. Thanks for the translation Cheerio! I'm glad we have somebody who actually is from Ukraine posting on this thread. What city are you from by the way? As to the transcript, it seems like a pretty accurate portrayal of what it looks like behind the scenes. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure this sorta stuff is impossible to confirm. I hope Ukraine has some better evidence to present about Russia's involvement. | ||
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Cheerio
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Deleted User 137586
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Although I don't recognize many of these names... *** Thanks Cheerio for translating that video! | ||
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doerit
Germany234 Posts
On April 15 2014 03:30 Ghanburighan wrote: https://twitter.com/edwardlucas/status/455765205276835840 Although I don't recognize many of these names... *** Thanks Cheerio for translating that video! There is quite a bit of support for Putin across the German population. The comment sections of many major newspapers are full of vivid Russia supporters. When it comes to sources on the other hand most of the time conspiracy blogs or pages like rt.com are quoted. Imo this is a list of 200 nobodies, e.g."Alexander Bese, Krankenpfleger (nurse)". Of course some carry an university title and others are part of some kind of association. But all in all (just quickly read over it) it does not seem there is anybody of any importance on this list. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On April 15 2014 04:04 doerit wrote: There is quite a bit of support for Putin across the German population. The comment sections of many major newspapers are full of vivid Russia supporters. When it comes to sources on the other hand most of the time conspiracy blogs or pages like rt.com are quoted. Imo this is a list of 200 nobodies, e.g."Alexander Bese, Krankenpfleger (nurse)". Of course some carry an university title and others are part of some kind of association. But all in all (just quickly read over it) it does not seem there is anybody of any importance on this list. and i would bet that most of them aren't actually germans, they're russians on the kremlin's payroll. pretty much every country that has big geopolitical interests pays people to comment on internet sites and push their line these days. i've read stories about the russians and the israelis doing it and we all know about chinese e-warriors and i would not be surprised at all if the US does it as well. which makes me mad at myself i need to find out where i can get some of this propaganda money sure as hell a lot easier than a real honest job... | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
Edit: Not trying to call out Germans here, it was just that they have been mentioned several times in this thread as having much higher support for Putin and Russia's actions than the rest of (western) Europe. | ||
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doerit
Germany234 Posts
On April 15 2014 04:22 Saryph wrote: It's a real shame there are so many people (especially from Germany) who can agree with a country that is aggressively putting military personnel into neighboring countries with the intent of annexation and destabilization of the world. Also even more so is the idea that these same people can agree with a country who is on a legislative level declaring themselves superior to all of the other countries and races of the world. It just comes across as a little too 1930s for me. Edit: Not trying to call out Germans here, it was just that they have been mentioned several times in this thread as having much higher support for Putin and Russia's actions than the rest of (western) Europe. I understand what you mean. This trend scares me quite a bit as well, especially the tone of the comments: All of the western media brought into line, all the articles being written in credible German newspapers being western propaganda, etc. Usually I wouldn't care too much, but there are just soo many of them. I have the feeling as well that these people are being paid to do their job. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On April 15 2014 04:22 Saryph wrote: Edit: Not trying to call out Germans here, it was just that they have been mentioned several times in this thread as having much higher support for Putin and Russia's actions than the rest of (western) Europe. It really is a shame.I think in most cases people are more anti-establishment/'anti 'transatlantic' than they're pro Putin. Also socially conservative people with little education are probably intimidated by all the rapid social changes that are happening in the West. Also when it comes to more famous people like Schröder and Schmidt, well, Schröder started to work for Gazprom one year after he was out of office, and Schmidt is so old that he probably doesn't even know what human rights are. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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The CSDP mission threat is a big deal, but they did not agree on additional sanctions against Russia. This sends a message that Russia's current activities are acceptable to the EU (not in terms of rhetoric, but in terms of the EU not considering it sufficient to act on). You can see from the wording of point 6 that it was probably a major point of contention as it has the feel of being edited many times over. *** Even the boots of these `separatists' belong to the Russian army: http://ipress.ua/ru/news/rossyyskyh_voennih_v_donbasse_vidala_obuv_59736.html | ||
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m4ini
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On April 15 2014 04:46 Nyxisto wrote: It really is a shame.I think in most cases people are more anti-establishment/'anti 'transatlantic' than they're pro Putin. Also socially conservative people with little education are probably intimidated by all the rapid social changes that are happening in the West. Also when it comes to more famous people like Schröder and Schmidt, well, Schröder started to work for Gazprom one year after he was out of office, and Schmidt is so old that he probably doesn't even know what human rights are. Just by nudging over the list, watching names and positions.. I had that discussion earlier here and was called out for it, but just by googling some of those people, alot, if not most of them are from east germany. I mean, a name like: Wilfried Rühe, Rentner, Hauptmann aD der NVA, Vorsitzender der Gemeinschaft der 13er EV doesn't even need to be double checked (translation is Wilfried Ruehe, pensioner, retired captain of the NVA, chairman of the community of 13er EV). NVA being the Nationale Volksarmee (national peoples army, the military in east germany under russian occupation). 13er EV is some sort of community of old NVA people. Most of these guys would also say that communism is the greatest thing ever invented, i bet. I'm not saying that putin has no "fans" in west germany, but they're by far more sceptical at least. That being said, one of the reasons could be that alot of germans lost faith in the US, which, to be honest, is not entirely unreasonable. Because so far, that has also to be said, the US "wronged" germans far more than russia did. And in the end, most people remember what "was done" to them far more vividly than what happens thousands of kms away. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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Ukrainian army troops headed for Slavjansk. | ||
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