Ukraine Crisis - Page 412

The Russian Foreign Ministry has issued an official warning to all citizens who travel abroad, saying they might be detained and extradited to the US for a biased trial on inflated charges.

Russian diplomats say that US justice is biased against Russians and processes usually result in lengthy prison sentences.

On April 11 2014 19:21 Geisterkarle wrote:
I like how you bring up, that Ukraine wants to be independent, when Euromaiden started because Ukraine wanted to be independent. Ukraine/Yanukovich said "no" to the EU and then shit happened!

Also - because you are "discussing" it - there is an old saying:
"If elections could change something, they would be banned!"

Just for understanding: You can change things with your vote! ... Sadly the result of elections will not end that your vote really would count! And I'm not talking about rigged elections. But most parties are all the same! Seriously, in over 50 years of Germany after WWII it didn't matter shit which of our big two parties were in the lead and who they cooperated with. In the big picture nothing changed in the government!
Also people are not interested in change! I was "working" for a small party and was on the streets to gather votes. And there are people coming around telling us, that we are stupid and no nothing about politics and he/she will vote for "their" party again - like they did for the last 30+ years. They don't read election programs or are interested what a party is or wants doing. They go "lalala" in their head for the "crunch time" before the election and just vote for the party they always voted.
With this in mind, every election is plain stupid! We could save money if we would stop bothering with elections. But oh yeah, we are not democratic anymore with that ...

Pro-Russian protester and Maidan mercenary in one skin: Russian propaganda makes epic blooper (video)

In its report Russia's television channel NTV showed a man and stated he was a citizen of Germany and a 'Euromaidan's mercenary'. According to the journalists, some days ago this man, Andrey Petkov, who left Ukraine in1992, was wounded in the town of Mykolaiv. The resident of Germany had 500,000 euro for Euromaidan and was resposible for training the group of 50 so that they could participate in actions of violence, NTV said.

Meanwhile, TV channel Rossiya reported the story of the same man, Andrey Petkov, but presented him as … 'a victim of radicals' who had brain concussion, burns and a fracture. On April 7, Mr Petkov was taking part in a peaceful action in Mykolaiv expressing his protest against the new authorities, but radicals 'touched off a real massacre', Rossiya stressed.
It is noteworthy that Russian propagandists did not even have the trouble to change the name of the pro-Russian 'EuroMaidan protesters'. Russian TV channels are notorious for hiring actors or even come-and-go people to film fake news stories and reports.

On April 12 2014 08:35 Cheerio wrote:
Russian media caught lying, again.



http://belsat.eu/en/wiadomosci/a,19130,prorussian-protester-and-maidan-mercenary-in-one-skin-russian-propaganda-makes-epic-blooper-video.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_hwHiLiOvY

On April 12 2014 09:19 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:


What's confusing more than anything is how state-mandated news (at least state-run when it comes to extremely pivotal Russian political matters like the situation regarding Crimea and Ukraine) can be so inconsistent. haha

On April 12 2014 09:19 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:


What's confusing more than anything is how state-mandated news (at least state-run when it comes to extremely pivotal Russian political matters like the situation regarding Crimea and Ukraine) can be so inconsistent. haha

On April 12 2014 18:51 Mc wrote:

Someone responded to her tweet w/ this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCYBtJ94kXc

There is genuine support for Russian annexation. Obviously the movement is being influenced by Russian propaganda, FSB, and Russian 'tourists', but there is also significant local support.

The population of the city's metropolitan area is 2 million so I'll leave you to judge how significant such a large crowd is. Also, this was posted over a MONTH ago- I'm just trying to make the point that it's not a clear cut Russian movement. Just a Russian sponsored movement

Putin wants talks with Europe on Ukraine gas debt
(Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin has told European leaders a dispute over Ukraine's gas debt to Russia could affect supplies of Russian gas to Europe and proposed urgent discussions on the matter, his spokesman said on Thursday.

The remarks were the strongest sign yet that Russia could curtail supplies of gas to Ukraine, which could increase tension between Moscow and Kiev and aggravate the worst crisis in East-West ties since the Cold War.

"The situation is urgent," Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said after Putin sent a letter expressing deep concern about Ukraine's $2.2 billion (1.3 billion pounds) gas debt and warning of a possible impact on the transit of Russian gas to the European Union.

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Russia has nearly doubled the price it charges Ukraine for gas since the ouster in February of President Viktor Yanukovich, who had pleased Putin by spurning landmark trade and political deals with the EU in favour of closer Russia ties.

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Gazprom has warned it could demand advance payments from Kiev for gas and deliver only what is paid for. Putin said on Wednesday that the company should hold off on that measure for the time being but suggested he wanted talks with the EU.

Source

On April 12 2014 19:08 Ghanburighan wrote:
On the other hand, Russia managed to organize roughly that kind of demonstration in Estonia today (which has less people than Donetsk, the city ). I'd like to see the person arguing that Estonia wants to be annexed by Russia.

The caption from the article:
Russian forces arresting Ukrainian Army officers in Simferopol, Crimea, on Tuesday. The United States and European nations have strongly opposed the Russian takeover of Crimea from Ukraine. Credit Alisa Borovikova/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
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On April 12 2014 22:15 Saryph wrote:
Found this amusing:

https://twitter.com/gerrydogma/status/454953627225174017

(Picture comes from THIS video, of the capture of the police headquarters in Slovyansk.)

From a New York Times article last month about Crimea:



Edit: The scope on the gun has been swapped out, but is that the same guy? Or is the uniform just so similar that I am confused?

On April 12 2014 22:27 Gorsameth wrote:

Average posture and wearing a balaclava. No there is no way to tell if its the same guy from those pictures.

On April 12 2014 22:41 Saryph wrote:


So just same uniform and same weapon? In two different cities, but with one listed as a Russian solider, the other as a pro-Russian concerned citizen?

On April 12 2014 22:41 Saryph wrote:


So just same uniform and same weapon? In two different cities, but with one listed as a Russian solider, the other as a pro-Russian concerned citizen?

On April 12 2014 23:38 Gorsameth wrote:

Anyone not stuck with there head in the sand can see both are Russian soldiers so yes its just the same standard issue uniform and standard issue weapon.