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On March 14 2014 06:33 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 06:28 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 06:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Just for guys who don't know how it works here.
After blocking, owners of hostings can go to court and appeal.
Site starts to work after it before final decision and usually after deleting 1-2 materials (or just hiding them from main page) they're getting unblock.
And you would consider that "normal"? Honest question. Usually they block something with porn/cp or something like that, for example we have Lurkmore (kind of wiki for lulz), so they banned it for 1 day for getting photos of cp in some random article. It could be worse but we did achieved ability to appeal year ago or something like that after first time this law entered the world, because blackouts aren't good. Can't say that i like this ability, but usually they don't abuse their power.
So the authorities just ban something if they feel like it, and then the owner of the site has to go to court and argue whether that was justified or not? And if the government is nice they unblock your site if you delete what they don't like?
Sorry man but that sounds really fucked up. Why is there so little uproar about that kind of stuff?
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On March 14 2014 06:38 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 06:33 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 14 2014 06:28 m4ini wrote:On March 14 2014 06:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Just for guys who don't know how it works here.
After blocking, owners of hostings can go to court and appeal.
Site starts to work after it before final decision and usually after deleting 1-2 materials (or just hiding them from main page) they're getting unblock.
And you would consider that "normal"? Honest question. Usually they block something with porn/cp or something like that, for example we have Lurkmore (kind of wiki for lulz), so they banned it for 1 day for getting photos of cp in some random article. It could be worse but we did achieved ability to appeal year ago or something like that after first time this law entered the world, because blackouts aren't good. Can't say that i like this ability, but usually they don't abuse their power. So the authorities just ban something if they feel like it, and then the owner of the site has to go to court and argue whether that was justified or not? And if the government is nice they unblock your site if you delete what they don't like? Sorry man but that sounds really fucked up. Why is there so little uproar about that kind of stuff?
The sad truth is that the lasting damage from centuries of servitude to the state can't be undone in a couple generations. What's abundantly clear to me from reading the comments of Russian posters is that they really don't know how wrong the environment that they're in is. In fairness to them, I wouldn't expect them to take a foreigner's word for it. It's just something that they're going to have to figure out on their own.
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There is information that Crimean school graduates will be accepted to top Russian universities without exams or tests, but through interviews.
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Maybe I'm pessimistic but Imho there will be at least a civil war.
Perhaps Putin doesn't want a war but by propaganding he unleashed the beast that is nationalism. Now we can be sure that more events like this will occur. Crimea might be the worst place for that considering the police and the military (which are already pro-russia) won't do anything to protect pro ukraine people and other etnicities like the tatars.
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And for your parents living in Ukraine i hope they don't live in the East nor the South nor Crimea nor the capital (that shouldn't be the case considering your posts) because they might be the place the most affected if there is a civil war.
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A lot of fear and pessimism after all these red flags going up:
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There is a report that, Oleg Tyagnibok, Svoboda's leader will try and push through Rada a bill that will allow Ukrainian citizens carry firearms and other lethal weapons such as knives. Lovely timing.
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On March 14 2014 06:54 Acertos wrote:
Maybe I'm pessimistic but Imho there will be at least a civil war.
Perhaps Putin doesn't want a war but by propaganding he unleashed the beast that is nationalism. Now we can be sure that more events like this will occur. Crimea might be the worst place for that considering the police and the military (which are already pro-russia) won't do anything to protect pro ukraine people and other etnicities like the tatars.
There are more Tatars in Russia than in Crimea and I didn't hear about ethnic cleansings in Russia recently so why would Crimean Tatars be in danger after Russians take over the peninsula?
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On March 14 2014 07:01 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 06:54 Acertos wrote:
Maybe I'm pessimistic but Imho there will be at least a civil war.
Perhaps Putin doesn't want a war but by propaganding he unleashed the beast that is nationalism. Now we can be sure that more events like this will occur. Crimea might be the worst place for that considering the police and the military (which are already pro-russia) won't do anything to protect pro ukraine people and other etnicities like the tatars.
There are more Tatars in Russia than in Crimea and I didn't hear about ethnic cleansings in Russia recently so why would Crimean Tatars be in danger after Russians take over the peninsula?
Why did their cars and restaurants burn down (at least a couple) just after the "soldiers which are totally not russian but just casual dudes who bought a uniform, weapon, radio etc just like ours" arrived in crimea?
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On March 14 2014 06:59 kukarachaa wrote:
There is a report that, Oleg Tyagnibok, Svoboda's leader will try and push through Rada a bill that will allow Ukrainian citizens carry firearms and other lethal weapons such as knives. Lovely timing.
The thing is, if the Ukraine gov and its citizens want the most peaceful outcome and the least casualities they have to surrend and do everything that Russia say. But in a sense if they want to protect their self-determination and show that they aren't letting Putin do what he wants, they have to prepare themselves for war.
That idea is a bit strange tough, every ukrainian will be able to carry firearms not solely pro-ukraine ones.
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On March 14 2014 06:49 Cheerio wrote:
There is information that Crimean school graduates will be accepted to top Russian universities without exams or tests, but through interviews.
Eh no surprise. I've known a ton of people who have gotten big tech jobs with no interview, or where the interview was little more than a formality. At least those Crimeans are going to be scrutinized for everything else besides a silly standardized exam.
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On March 14 2014 07:01 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 06:54 Acertos wrote:
Maybe I'm pessimistic but Imho there will be at least a civil war.
Perhaps Putin doesn't want a war but by propaganding he unleashed the beast that is nationalism. Now we can be sure that more events like this will occur. Crimea might be the worst place for that considering the police and the military (which are already pro-russia) won't do anything to protect pro ukraine people and other etnicities like the tatars.
There are more Tatars in Russia than in Crimea and I didn't hear about ethnic cleansings in Russia recently so why would Crimean Tatars be in danger after Russians take over the peninsula?
Because Russia is cultivating an atmosphere where anyone not Russian or Russian affiliated is an enemy?
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Мстя
Крымские татары не раз выжигали Москву и уводили всех жителей в рабство. История любит буменранги.
Could someone please translate that for me? Thanks in advance.
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Watch this video. Warning, not for the faint of heart, plenty of explicit violence. Also provides your daily dose of `iti nahui'.
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On March 14 2014 07:10 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +
Мстя
Крымские татары не раз выжигали Москву и уводили всех жителей в рабство. История любит буменранги.
Could someone please translate that for me? Thanks in advance.
That's something nasty, as I understand it, it claims Crimean Tatars have attacked Moscow and enslaved its people. Concludes with `History loves bumerangs.'
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On March 14 2014 07:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 06:49 Cheerio wrote:
There is information that Crimean school graduates will be accepted to top Russian universities without exams or tests, but through interviews. Eh no surprise. I've known a ton of people who have gotten big tech jobs with no interview, or where the interview was little more than a formality. At least those Crimeans are going to be scrutinized for everything else besides a silly standardized exam. like what?
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On March 14 2014 07:13 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 07:10 m4ini wrote:
Мстя
Крымские татары не раз выжигали Москву и уводили всех жителей в рабство. История любит буменранги.
Could someone please translate that for me? Thanks in advance. That's something nasty, as I understand it, it claims Crimean Tatars have attacked Moscow and enslaved its people. Concludes with `History loves bumerangs.'
Was the top comment on a russian(?) newspage i was looking at regarding the tatars and the restaurant/cars. Well, doesn't conclude anything, was just my curiosity.
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On March 14 2014 07:06 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 07:01 Sent. wrote:On March 14 2014 06:54 Acertos wrote:
Maybe I'm pessimistic but Imho there will be at least a civil war.
Perhaps Putin doesn't want a war but by propaganding he unleashed the beast that is nationalism. Now we can be sure that more events like this will occur. Crimea might be the worst place for that considering the police and the military (which are already pro-russia) won't do anything to protect pro ukraine people and other etnicities like the tatars.
There are more Tatars in Russia than in Crimea and I didn't hear about ethnic cleansings in Russia recently so why would Crimean Tatars be in danger after Russians take over the peninsula? Why did their cars and restaurants burn down just after the "soldiers which are totally not russian but just a casual dude who bought a uniform, weapon, radio etc just like ours" arrived in crimea?
Perhaps the Tatars in Crimea interact more with the rest of the population than in Russia and also because (I'm not certain) Tatars seem to be the natives of Crimea, and historicaly their revendications regarding independance and recognition have been shut down. They also can't say a thing in the part of history that is being played right now.
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On March 14 2014 07:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 06:49 Cheerio wrote:
There is information that Crimean school graduates will be accepted to top Russian universities without exams or tests, but through interviews. Eh no surprise. I've known a ton of people who have gotten big tech jobs with no interview, or where the interview was little more than a formality. At least those Crimeans are going to be scrutinized for everything else besides a silly standardized exam. are you not the least bit suspicious about bias lol. real?
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Russia needs russians, its not going to split hairs now.
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Isolated? Well, not entirely..
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The U.S. and Europe on Monday would then unite to impose sanctions on Russia, Kerry told a Senate Appropriations subcommittee Thursday during a hearing on the State Department's budget. “There will be a response of some kind to the referendum itself,” Kerry said. “If there is no sign [from Russia] of any capacity to respond to this issue ... there will be a very serious series of steps on Monday.” “Our hope is to have Russia join in respecting international law. ... There is no justification, no legality to this referendum that is taking place,” he said. “The hope is that reason will prevail but there is no guarantee of that.” Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican and a top critic of President Obama's foreign policy, asked what the administration would do if Russian forces advance farther into the eastern area of Ukraine, and the new government in Kiev asks the U.S. for weapons to fight the Russians. Kerry responded carefully, saying “we have contingencies – we are talking through various options that may or may not be available.” “Our hope is not to create hysteria or excessive concern about that at this point in time,” he said. “Our hope is to avoid that, but there's no telling that we can.” U.S. authorities are closely monitoring the number of Russian troops in Crimea, as well as their movements, he said, noting that Moscow is allowed to have a total of 25,000 troops in Crimea. He said that currently Russia does not have the assets positioned to “march in and take over all of Ukraine but that could change and we recognize that.” “I've been impressed on how united our European allies are on this… to a person, to a country, they are very, very committed to make sure there is accountability,” he said. Source.
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