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Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
March 13 2014 20:13 GMT
#5801
On March 14 2014 03:43 kukarachaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 03:33 DeepElemBlues wrote:
that's nice

putin doing some more exercises near ukraine border

if he invades eastern ukraine no matter how limited then ukraine needs to fight back. too bad it will be a big war but if putin gets to lop off another chunk of ukraine unopposed sooner or later the baltic republics will be next and they're members of NATO which means even bigger war


If its any consolation, Russia has granted Ukraine's request to use Russia airspace next to the border and observe troops training and exercises.


I get this image in my head that has some Russian admiral saying, "here, we'll let you watch us practice how we're going to invade you muhahah."

Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
March 13 2014 20:16 GMT
#5802
Polish media report 1 death and several injured during clashes in Donetsk.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
March 13 2014 20:17 GMT
#5803
On March 14 2014 05:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 05:07 Cheerio wrote:
On March 14 2014 04:54 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
There is a rumour btw that Yatsenyuk used whole golden stock of Ukraine and legendary Scythean gold to give it to US as guarantee for IMF credit.
Estimated price of this stock and Scythean gold and jewellery = ~20 billions $.

I guess, nothing about it will be in Western media, even if it's true.
But considering fact that Ukraine has almost nothing to guarantee credit, uh.

Please explain to me how $20 billions worth of "legendary Scythean gold" and jewellery survived 23 years of Ukrainian corruption?


Why do you need to use gold when you have enough money to steal from people? (:

Why would anyone bother stealing money from the budget when there is this local Fort Knox that people of Ukraine dont even know exists?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 13 2014 20:18 GMT
#5804
As a baseline for comparison, what's the annual murder rate in Ukraine for the past several years?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 20:33:24
March 13 2014 20:21 GMT
#5805
On March 14 2014 05:18 zlefin wrote:
As a baseline for comparison, what's the annual murder rate in Ukraine for the past several years?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

On March 14 2014 05:17 Cheerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 05:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 14 2014 05:07 Cheerio wrote:
On March 14 2014 04:54 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
There is a rumour btw that Yatsenyuk used whole golden stock of Ukraine and legendary Scythean gold to give it to US as guarantee for IMF credit.
Estimated price of this stock and Scythean gold and jewellery = ~20 billions $.

I guess, nothing about it will be in Western media, even if it's true.
But considering fact that Ukraine has almost nothing to guarantee credit, uh.

Please explain to me how $20 billions worth of "legendary Scythean gold" and jewellery survived 23 years of Ukrainian corruption?


Why do you need to use gold when you have enough money to steal from people? (:

Why would anyone bother stealing money from the budget when there is this local Fort Knox that people of Ukraine dont even know exists?


Because gold is stable and better to steal money in currency and other resources first imo.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11610 Posts
March 13 2014 20:30 GMT
#5806
Also, it's a lot harder to inconspicuously steal a few tons of gold when compared to purely virtual currency.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 13 2014 20:33 GMT
#5807
Yes, independent media is down in Russia:




In Donetsk:






Sanctions list:


At the same time, currently a UNSC meeting. No link quite yet.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 13 2014 20:35 GMT
#5808
Now 2 deaths:



***
Russia's UN amb. Churkin continues his diatribe:
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 13 2014 20:41 GMT
#5809
Check out https://twitter.com/UkraineConflict for a LR of the UNSC meeting.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
March 13 2014 20:43 GMT
#5810
On March 14 2014 05:41 Ghanburighan wrote:
Check out https://twitter.com/UkraineConflict for a LR of the UNSC meeting.


http://webtv.un.org/live-now/watch/security-council-ukraine/3086187116001

There is live tho. And there is one on youtube afaik.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 13 2014 20:56 GMT
#5811
gold is a currency strategic reserve so you'd want to put it in a secure place. the ownership is still ukrainian but obviously you dno't want to leave it in a vault that could be physically taken over.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 21:18:37
March 13 2014 20:59 GMT
#5812
Yatsenyuk:

I would like to thank all but 1 UNSC member for the support of the territorial integrity of my country. We adhere to all bilateral and multilateral agreements. Crimea is part of Ukraine, we will never recognize of any handmade, falsified (etc) referendum.

...


***
Edit:










***

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11610 Posts
March 13 2014 21:22 GMT
#5813
So much for no dictatorship in russia.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
March 13 2014 21:27 GMT
#5814
http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/russia-wipes-opposition-sites-from-the-internet (didn't find a better source right now)

Tbh the amount of propaganda coming from Russia right now is scary. With all the re-nationalization and oppression Russia is back on it's tracks to the last century. I don't know what they have planned for the future but the effort they're putting into swaying the public's opinion towards militaristic actions is really concerning.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 21:28:46
March 13 2014 21:27 GMT
#5815
Just for guys who don't know how it works here.

After blocking, owners of hostings can go to court and appeal.
Sites starts to work after it before final decision and usually after deleting 1-2 materials (or just hiding them from main page) they're getting unblocked and start to work again.


LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
March 13 2014 21:28 GMT
#5816
Russian Airlines Divert Flights to Bypass Ukraine
MOSCOW, March 13 (RIA Novosti) – Russian airlines, including the country's flag carrier Aeroflot, have begun changing their flight routes to bypass Ukraine, according to publicly available data.
According to flight information obtained from the Flight Radar 24 air traffic website, an Aeroflot flight to Simferopol on Ukraine’s breakaway Crimean peninsula on Wednesday flew a longer route across Russian territory instead of its usual, more direct route through Ukraine.
Aeroflot confirmed the reports on its Twitter feed, saying that “a decision has been made to change flight routes.”
By late afternoon Aeroflot stock had fallen nearly 10 percent on the news of the changes.
Flights by other Russian airlines, such as Transaero and NordWind, also appeared to be avoiding entering Ukrainian airspace, while the flight paths of foreign carriers, such as Turkish Airlines, remain unchanged.

An aviation industry source said Russian air carriers follow recommendations from Russian aviation authorities, although a spokesman for the country's civil aviation watchdog declined to comment on the matter.
Routes of Aeroflot flights to Turkey’s Istanbul and Antalya on Thursday were also changed to bypass Ukraine.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 13 2014 21:28 GMT
#5817
On March 14 2014 06:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Just for guys who don't know how it works here.

After blocking, owners of hostings can go to court and appeal.
Site starts to work after it before final decision and usually after deleting 1-2 materials (or just hiding them from main page) they're getting unblock.




And you would consider that "normal"? Honest question.
On track to MA1950A.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
March 13 2014 21:33 GMT
#5818
On March 14 2014 06:28 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 06:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Just for guys who don't know how it works here.

After blocking, owners of hostings can go to court and appeal.
Site starts to work after it before final decision and usually after deleting 1-2 materials (or just hiding them from main page) they're getting unblock.




And you would consider that "normal"? Honest question.


Usually they block something with porn/cp or something like that, for example we have Lurkmore (kind of wiki for lulz), so they banned it for 1 day for getting photos of cp in some random article.

It could be worse but we did achieved ability to appeal year ago or something like that after first time this law entered the world, because blackouts aren't good.

Can't say that i like this ability, but usually they don't abuse their power.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 13 2014 21:33 GMT
#5819
On March 14 2014 06:28 Saryph wrote:
Show nested quote +
Russian Airlines Divert Flights to Bypass Ukraine
MOSCOW, March 13 (RIA Novosti) – Russian airlines, including the country's flag carrier Aeroflot, have begun changing their flight routes to bypass Ukraine, according to publicly available data.
According to flight information obtained from the Flight Radar 24 air traffic website, an Aeroflot flight to Simferopol on Ukraine’s breakaway Crimean peninsula on Wednesday flew a longer route across Russian territory instead of its usual, more direct route through Ukraine.
Aeroflot confirmed the reports on its Twitter feed, saying that “a decision has been made to change flight routes.”
By late afternoon Aeroflot stock had fallen nearly 10 percent on the news of the changes.
Flights by other Russian airlines, such as Transaero and NordWind, also appeared to be avoiding entering Ukrainian airspace, while the flight paths of foreign carriers, such as Turkish Airlines, remain unchanged.

An aviation industry source said Russian air carriers follow recommendations from Russian aviation authorities, although a spokesman for the country's civil aviation watchdog declined to comment on the matter.
Routes of Aeroflot flights to Turkey’s Istanbul and Antalya on Thursday were also changed to bypass Ukraine.




Soooo many bad signs all bunched together. My parents need another 20h to leave Ukraine...
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 13 2014 21:35 GMT
#5820
On March 14 2014 06:33 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 06:28 m4ini wrote:
On March 14 2014 06:27 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Just for guys who don't know how it works here.

After blocking, owners of hostings can go to court and appeal.
Site starts to work after it before final decision and usually after deleting 1-2 materials (or just hiding them from main page) they're getting unblock.




And you would consider that "normal"? Honest question.


Usually they block something with porn/cp or something like that, for example we have Lurkmore (kind of wiki for lulz), so they banned it for 1 day for getting photos of cp in some random article.

It could be worse but we did achieved ability to appeal year ago or something like that after first time this law entered the world, because blackouts aren't good.

Can't say that i like this ability, but usually they don't abuse their power.


What about this case? What is your thought about the fact that they try to silence opposition (yet again) with "dirty" measures?
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