Ukraine Crisis - Page 187

On March 04 2014 12:50 mahrgell wrote:


They cut off all outside supplies at 3 GMT.
Water, electricity, etc

A recording obtained by the Guardian exposes how Russian officers are leaning on Ukrainian marines to yield. One voice is identified as Igor Turchinyuk (IT), a Russian general. Others are unidentified Ukrainians (UU).

IT "The goal of me coming here … is to carry out the task given by the president of the Russian Federation." UU "What is this? Is it an invasion? Is it a forced peace operation?" IT "It was a request to Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin to offer help and bring troops in. (noting he has family roots in Ukraine) I want to talk as one officer to other officers."

UU "Am I a terrorist? Are we causing a threat to the Black Sea fleet of Russia?" IT "We have an order, which we are carrying out."

UU "We have always looked at Russia like an older brother. Do you not think your current behaviour will ruin not only our country but yours?"

IT "The international community trusted Russia to hold the Olympic Games. Not every country in the world is trusted with something like that."

At one point there is a request for anyone among the three dozen officers in the room who wants to follow the order to stand up, and from the subsequent dialogue it is apparent that nobody did.

On March 04 2014 13:39 ImFromPortugal wrote:


what do you guys make of this?

On March 04 2014 09:05 mcc wrote:

People already pointed out how bad analogy with 1938-9 this is.

On March 04 2014 13:49 mahrgell wrote:


It may sound weird, but imho it will be Poland, who decides how this turns out... The Americans are far away... Germany, UK and France will try to do anything to prevent a military escalation... The Baltics may wish for a military response, but do not have the power... but Poland has a sizable army, and if they decide to back Ukraine and move their troops in, to solidify Ukrainian lines against the Russians, the situation becomes quite interesting... The Polish army surely can't beat the Russian one... but they are more then enough of a road block to crush any Russian dreams of a second Georgia aka unopposed win. And in the end, the bigger European powers could not afford to leave Poland alone if the situation escalates into a more then a week long battle... (while leaving Ukraine alone is certainly an option for them)

BBC Radio Interview with Russian senator Andrei Klimov, deputy head of the Federation Council's foreign affairs committee, on the situation in Ukraine.
From the interview "This is not an aggression, this is just propaganda. Our enemies, russophobes are spreading lies about us. We are in favor of territorial integrity of this country. But, we would like to do this in a normal way according to international terms, conditions and customs. We are normal European people

On March 04 2014 11:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
You need to understand that killing leader/sudden death of leader or other stuff like that makes absolute chaos like in Ukraine now.
So it has to be done if I can put it like that, only in absolute clinical situations plus you need to have some person who has nuff authority to lead country after it.

It's basically trouble of every CIS-country. There are almost no new faces in politics in comparison with end of 90s.

On March 04 2014 15:09 Cheerio wrote:

it depends on your definition of "new". The recent oppositional leaders in Ukraine: Yatsenyuk, Klitchko, Tyagnybok, were a bunch of no-ones at the end of 90s.

06:04: Nadzhiye Femi, a Crimean journalist in Bakhchysarai, tells Ukraine's Espreso TV that life is quieter now and there are fewer cars on the streets. Some people are scared, but there's no mass evacuation of families. She adds that Crimean Tatars - some of whom remember the Stalinist deportations in the 1940s - feel that they are in danger.

Russian troops ordered home from surprise war games
Source.

06:14: Russian troops taking part in military exercises near the Ukrainian border are ordered by President Putin to return to their bases, presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov is quoted as saying by Russian news agencies.

On March 04 2014 15:10 Sub40APM wrote:

well, I wouldnt say Klitchko was a nobody. He was a world famous sports guy. But of all famous-for-not-being-corrupt-or-Putin-puppet he is the only one rushing back to Ukraine to try to create a modern, reformist party. I hope he succeeds.

On March 04 2014 13:49 mahrgell wrote:


It may sound weird, but imho it will be Poland, who decides how this turns out... The Americans are far away... Germany, UK and France will try to do anything to prevent a military escalation... The Baltics may wish for a military response, but do not have the power... but Poland has a sizable army, and if they decide to back Ukraine and move their troops in, to solidify Ukrainian lines against the Russians, the situation becomes quite interesting... The Polish army surely can't beat the Russian one... but they are more then enough of a road block to crush any Russian dreams of a second Georgia aka unopposed win. And in the end, the bigger European powers could not afford to leave Poland alone if the situation escalates into a more then a week long battle... (while leaving Ukraine alone is certainly an option for them)

On March 04 2014 15:23 ticklishmusic wrote:


If Poland supports Ukraine, Russia will have to back down. Another nation taking such a concrete step would, first, break inertia and drive other countries to finally make moves, and second, provide Ukraine + ally enough materiel to resist the Russians and prevent them from the quick victory into occupation into deal that lets them keep Crimea.

On March 04 2014 13:23 kukarachaa wrote:


As far as I understand nothing happened, the ultimatum was a falsely reported news story, that some other news sources jumped on. As for cutting out water, power and so on, I believe that hasn't occurred yet and is just a warning.