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On November 06 2013 19:35 BillGates wrote:
How about women just pull a gun on the would be rapist and shoot him? Believe me you would be 5x safer with a gun, than with this weird underwear.
Of course if you are in certain parts of Europe you are criminalized for your right to self defense.
I don't see how this would be possible if he's already got you in a strangehold and you have no way to reach out for your gun, switch off the safety, and point and shoot.
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If you tried this somewhere like south africa they would just kill you
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On November 06 2013 19:37 Paperplane wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 19:35 BillGates wrote:
How about women just pull a gun on the would be rapist and shoot him? Believe me you would be 5x safer with a gun, than with this weird underwear.
Of course if you are in certain parts of Europe you are criminalized for your right to self defense. Ah yes, a gun control discussion. Just what we needed.
Let's just bite the bullet and discuss how circumcision affects rape, because fuck it we're already off the deep end.
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nice underwear, i'll definitely get my hands on this excellent piece of clothing
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On November 06 2013 20:07 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
If you tried this somewhere like south africa they would just kill you
The sad truth. My country seems to be notorious with it being mentioned in related threads so much :/
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On November 06 2013 10:25 YoureFired wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 10:24 mizU wrote:
this isn't going to help the victim blaming mindset This. There shouldn't be an emphasis on the women to defend themselves, the focus needs to be on dismantling the rape culture that makes sexual assault accepted in our society.
Since when is it ever accepted?
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On November 06 2013 10:17 KwarK wrote:
This doesn't help against rape because a rapist generally isn't holding a knife, is a family member, partner or ex partner and raped you because you assumed that he wasn't a rapist. If you think this helps you don't know how rape works in the western world. Maybe in South Africa though.
Because no woman ever got raped going for a jog... :x Ofcourse it does help. It doesn't fix the problem, but it certainly helps in certain circumstances.
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On November 06 2013 10:25 YoureFired wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 10:24 mizU wrote:
this isn't going to help the victim blaming mindset This. There shouldn't be an emphasis on the women to defend themselves, the focus needs to be on dismantling the rape culture that makes sexual assault accepted in our society.
Whatever this means, this is the same as saying 'we need to focus on eradicating poverty and neutralising all diseases'. It's pie in the sky and completely unrealistic. There should be an equal emphasis on the long-term ideological solutions i.e. educating youngsters properly to have respect for each other AND the short-term pragmatic solutions i.e. educating youngsters on the principals of self-preservation and self-defence. Notice I don't single out women for the latter or men for the former, because everyone should be learning respect and self-preservation.
And while I'm at it, I would like to emphasise that respect is a two-way street and as much as we should be admonishing men for using physical violence and intimidation on women to get their way and discouraging it vigorously, we should also be doing the same towards mothers who use violence and intimidation to get their way with their children (not ignoring fathers here ofc but the emphasis seems often to be on men as the agents of violence in modern culture). The general precept of a modern society should be: 'the use of force against each other is unacceptable', full stop.
Too often do I see frustrated mothers shouting aggressively at children and even smacking them in public with anger (for no good reason). It may not be nearly as ruinous and egregious as rape but it is in the same vein, and I have to say that for all the times I have seen this behaviour from mothers I have never seen (at least in public) this behaviour from a father, and that is perhaps because the passers by would probably be far more likely to get involved and stop it (and this is because it seems to be acceptable for mothers to bully their children but not men) so they don't try it in the first place.
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The concept isnt as useful here in the western world because rape is generally by a trusted individual (unfortunately..) It would be good against date rape, I guess.
HOWEVER, the science behind this stuff is cool. very interesting!
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On November 06 2013 19:52 NeThZOR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 19:35 BillGates wrote:
How about women just pull a gun on the would be rapist and shoot him? Believe me you would be 5x safer with a gun, than with this weird underwear.
Of course if you are in certain parts of Europe you are criminalized for your right to self defense. I don't see how this would be possible if he's already got you in a strangehold and you have no way to reach out for your gun, switch off the safety, and point and shoot.
99% of handguns don't have external safeties besides the key lock which should be disengaged when carried.
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On November 06 2013 10:49 decemberscalm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 10:17 KwarK wrote:
This doesn't help against rape because a rapist generally isn't holding a knife, is a family member, partner or ex partner and raped you because you assumed that he wasn't a rapist. If you think this helps you don't know how rape works in the western world. Maybe in South Africa though. Pretty much this. A far more effective use of your time and money for the sort of rape this would help against is learning self defence or carrying weaponry. Being taught smart decision making, how to be aware of the people around you. I can only see this being useful for date rape, for anything else a preventive measure seems like it would be much more effective. For when you know you will have your judgment impaired by clubbing or something. Even then, you should be with a buddy, keep an eye on your drink etc.
"Date rape" has a wide variety of ways it can occur. It's not always some sleezeball slipping some drug with a little skull on it into your drink... the vast majority of my friends that were raped happened in really one way; they got way too drunk at a party, and passed out in some frat boy's room or couch. Then who knows what happened...
It's awful that some men will laugh and say "well, she shouldn't have been in my bed if she didn't want it". I think this product can help in a different way than it is intended to- it might remind girls that they, too, have a responsibility for making smart decisions. Touching a passed-out girl is absolutely rape, but there is also the responsibility that too many people forget of keeping aware of your surroundings. If a girl can feel these underwear as she's wearing them, and just be reminded that she needs to be aware of herself, then it might prevent a large number of date rapes.
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suddenly I remembered "robin hood, men in tights"
oh chastity belt, that was protection.
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On November 07 2013 01:09 DiLiGu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 10:49 decemberscalm wrote:On November 06 2013 10:17 KwarK wrote:
This doesn't help against rape because a rapist generally isn't holding a knife, is a family member, partner or ex partner and raped you because you assumed that he wasn't a rapist. If you think this helps you don't know how rape works in the western world. Maybe in South Africa though. Pretty much this. A far more effective use of your time and money for the sort of rape this would help against is learning self defence or carrying weaponry. Being taught smart decision making, how to be aware of the people around you. I can only see this being useful for date rape, for anything else a preventive measure seems like it would be much more effective. For when you know you will have your judgment impaired by clubbing or something. Even then, you should be with a buddy, keep an eye on your drink etc. "Date rape" has a wide variety of ways it can occur. It's not always some sleezeball slipping some drug with a little skull on it into your drink... the vast majority of my friends that were raped happened in really one way; they got way too drunk at a party, and passed out in some frat boy's room or couch. Then who knows what happened... It's awful that some men will laugh and say "well, she shouldn't have been in my bed if she didn't want it". I think this product can help in a different way than it is intended to- it might remind girls that they, too, have a responsibility for making smart decisions. Touching a passed-out girl is absolutely rape, but there is also the responsibility that too many people forget of keeping aware of your surroundings. If a girl can feel these underwear as she's wearing them, and just be reminded that she needs to be aware of herself, then it might prevent a large number of date rapes.
"well, she shouldn't have been in my bed if she didn't want it" see guys rape culture isn't made up. I dunno if i'm comfortable saying a girl has a "responsibility" to avoid rapey situations tho. One shouldn't have to NEED to be aware of oneself to avoid rape. that's a hop skip and a jump away from the victim blaming that some people don't acknowledge is still extremely common.
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On November 07 2013 01:15 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 01:09 DiLiGu wrote:On November 06 2013 10:49 decemberscalm wrote:On November 06 2013 10:17 KwarK wrote:
This doesn't help against rape because a rapist generally isn't holding a knife, is a family member, partner or ex partner and raped you because you assumed that he wasn't a rapist. If you think this helps you don't know how rape works in the western world. Maybe in South Africa though. Pretty much this. A far more effective use of your time and money for the sort of rape this would help against is learning self defence or carrying weaponry. Being taught smart decision making, how to be aware of the people around you. I can only see this being useful for date rape, for anything else a preventive measure seems like it would be much more effective. For when you know you will have your judgment impaired by clubbing or something. Even then, you should be with a buddy, keep an eye on your drink etc. "Date rape" has a wide variety of ways it can occur. It's not always some sleezeball slipping some drug with a little skull on it into your drink... the vast majority of my friends that were raped happened in really one way; they got way too drunk at a party, and passed out in some frat boy's room or couch. Then who knows what happened... It's awful that some men will laugh and say "well, she shouldn't have been in my bed if she didn't want it". I think this product can help in a different way than it is intended to- it might remind girls that they, too, have a responsibility for making smart decisions. Touching a passed-out girl is absolutely rape, but there is also the responsibility that too many people forget of keeping aware of your surroundings. If a girl can feel these underwear as she's wearing them, and just be reminded that she needs to be aware of herself, then it might prevent a large number of date rapes. "well, she shouldn't have been in my bed if she didn't want it" see guys rape culture isn't made up. I dunno if i'm comfortable saying a girl has a "responsibility" to avoid rapey situations tho. One shouldn't have to NEED to be aware of oneself to avoid rape. that's a hop skip and a jump away from the victim blaming that some people don't acknowledge is still extremely common.
Do people actually think like that? I can't say I know anyone who would say something like that. And I grew up in a shithole backwards ass area of America.
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On November 06 2013 10:31 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 10:29 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On November 06 2013 10:25 YoureFired wrote:On November 06 2013 10:24 mizU wrote:
this isn't going to help the victim blaming mindset This. There shouldn't be an emphasis on the women to defend themselves, the focus needs to be on dismantling the rape culture that makes sexual assault accepted in our society. Rape culture? Sexual assault accepted in our society!? The fuck? Things are pretty bad, but they aren't THAT bad. The vast majority of guys hate sexual assault and hate rape and rapists even more. We are mostly talking about victim blaming, sexual objectification, and trivializing the act of rape here.
All I can think about right now is Demuslim's utterly ignorant statements about rape in the context of winning in SC2.
SC2 players have a long history of trivializing rape.
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On November 06 2013 10:25 YoureFired wrote:
the rape culture that makes sexual assault accepted in our society.
Excuse me ?
Also, talking about rape in terms of a game has nothing to do with the sexual act. If you can't differentiate between the two, well, that's just sad. That being said, using the term while being an e-sports figure is pretty dumb because you know, e-sports  .
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Love how no one knows about rape culture, and acts all shocked and offended when it's mentioned : D
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