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Jamial
Denmark1289 Posts
On November 07 2013 01:25 Zealos wrote: Love how no one knows about rape culture, and acts all shocked and offended when it's mentioned : D What? What are you talking about? Honestly half the posts in this thread make no fucking sense. | ||
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Body_Shield
Canada3373 Posts
On November 07 2013 01:25 Zealos wrote: Love how no one knows about rape culture, and acts all shocked and offended when it's mentioned : D The term and definition of Rape Culture originally came from the prison system. The new term Rape Culture, is thrown around and used so much, so incorrectly, it doesn't mean anything (if it did at all in this case), and is only used as an "I win button" in the place of actual intellectual discourse. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On November 07 2013 01:17 heliusx wrote: Do people actually think like that? I can't say I know anyone who would say something like that. And I grew up in a shithole backwards ass area of America. yes many people actually think like that and you are fortunate to have avoided them. why did you fart? Also, talking about rape in terms of a game has nothing to do with the sexual act. If you can't differentiate between the two, well, that's just sad. That being said, using the term while being an e-sports figure is pretty dumb because you know, e-sports  .except for using the exact same word to mean completely dominate. if you can't avoid using offensive words then that's just sad. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On November 06 2013 20:41 NeThZOR wrote: The sad truth. My country seems to be notorious with it being mentioned in related threads so much :/ i was born there, and moved when i was almost 6 :p | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On November 07 2013 01:38 Body_Shield wrote: The term and definition of Rape Culture originally came from the prison system. The new term Rape Culture, is thrown around and used so much, so incorrectly, it doesn't mean anything (if it did at all in this case), and is only used as an "I win button" in the place of actual intellectual discourse. I disagree entirely. Rape culture is a fairly ingrained part of society and anyone that studies urban, feminine, or anthropological/sociological studies knows that it's not just a phrase, but a cultural norm. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
Regarding this whole "crusade against rape" and putting a stop to "rape culture" (a bullshit term), it is a fabricated, nonsensical focus on one specific crime because it is (ostensibly) an engendered crime. Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime. We can talk about how they shouldn't happen, or they are bad and we should try to eliminate them (all of which are true), but you don't see people seriously talking about ending all murders by removing "murder culture." We live in a society (western) that you can see assault and murder on tv almost any time of day. Yet there aren't these "conversations" of "murder culture," or ideas that if we just inform everyone that murder is bad, murder will stop. Yet for some reason, rape is given this special treatment. Like we might realistically live in a world where no one would ever be raped. That it is a practical goal in thinking if we just "discuss" it enough, people will realize that rape isn't actually ok, and will stop. After that, we'll tell everyone not to murder or steal. We'll get them off that, too. But let's tackle rape first. Rape gets special attention because it is (ostensibly) one sex committing a crime against another sex (although this isn't true, this is how it is portrayed). This is bullshit. I'm not saying rape is ok; it isn't. I'm not saying blaming the victim is fine; it's not. What I am saying is the idea that rape is a special kind of crime, and that any method that prevents rape outside of trying to eliminate "rape culture" is actually enforcing "rape culture" (an argument that seems to be gaining traction), is idiotic, and needs to stop. Rape will always occur, no matter what. Personal safety will always ultimately fall on the individual (whether this is "right" or not), and if you feel like you need to take measures to protect yourself from ANY sort of crime, then do so, within the boundaries of the law. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On November 07 2013 01:19 BronzeKnee wrote: All I can think about right now is Demuslim's utterly ignorant statements about rape in the context of winning in SC2. SC2 players have a long history of trivializing rape. It has nothing to do with trivialising rape... In this context "rape" meant "crush" or "own" as in "I crushed/owned you!". It has nothing to do with the act of raping a helpless woman. It's the same with fuck.You would laugh if I were to say that the pure act of sexual intercourse is being trivialised every time some guy gets excited, happy, angry or frustrated. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On November 07 2013 02:53 JieXian wrote: It has nothing to do with trivialising rape... In this context "rape" meant "crush" or "own" as in "I crushed/owned you!". It has nothing to do with the act of raping a helpless woman. It's the same with fuck.You would laugh if I were to say that the pure act of sexual intercourse is being trivialised every time some guy gets excited, happy, angry or frustrated. DeMuslim's constant use of raperapraperaperape in that tournament he casted was I think justifiable reason for anyone to never take e-sports seriously anymore. Fortunately everyone is professional enough by now to stop using certain words, even Destiny is giving in. Victory for the shadowy Political Correctness cabal. | ||
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Dogfoodboy16
364 Posts
On November 07 2013 02:48 HardlyNever wrote: Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime. No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity. In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On November 07 2013 02:16 docvoc wrote: I disagree entirely. Rape culture is a fairly ingrained part of society and anyone that studies urban, feminine, or anthropological/sociological studies knows that it's not just a phrase, but a cultural norm. I honestly do not understand. I think in the entire civilized world raping anyone is frowned up and punished with jail? Can you maybe give some examples of what is this rape culture you talk about? Someone mentioned putting your dick inside a passed out girl before; well yeah that's obviously rape and I think 99% of ppl would agree? | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On November 07 2013 03:17 Dogfoodboy16 wrote: No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity. In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever? Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?) | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On November 07 2013 03:29 GoTuNk! wrote: I honestly do not understand. I think in the entire civilized world raping anyone is frowned up and punished with jail? Can you maybe give some examples of what is this rape culture you talk about? Someone mentioned putting your dick inside a passed out girl before; well yeah that's obviously rape and I think 99% of ppl would agree? i just found this random list: + Show Spoiler + Blaming the victim (“She asked for it!”) Trivializing sexual assault (“Boys will be boys!”) Tolerance of sexual harassment Inflating false rape report statistics Publicly scrutinizing a victim’s dress, mental state, motives, and history Gratuitous gendered violence in movies and television Defining “manhood” as dominant and sexually aggressive Defining “womanhood” as submissive and sexually passive Pressure on men to “score” Pressure on women to not appear “cold” Assuming only promiscuous women get raped Assuming that men don’t get raped or that only “weak” men get raped Refusing to take rape accusations seriously Teaching women to avoid getting raped instead of teaching men not to rape | ||
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HeatEXTEND
Netherlands836 Posts
On November 07 2013 01:45 ComaDose wrote: if you can't avoid using offensive words then that's just sad. You mean "offensive to someone", words aren't inherently offensive. If I got actually offended by things that offend me on a principle level, I'd be a rage filled murder machine (gee, I hope no one reading this had someone close to him murdered by a raging maniac....). Words should be the least of the things someone is bothered with. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On November 07 2013 02:53 Grumbels wrote: To be honest I think that if something like this will be used at all it will be by decree of obsessive male family members that want to watch over your chastity. DeMuslim's constant use of raperapraperaperape in that tournament he casted was I think justifiable reason for anyone to never take e-sports seriously anymore. Fortunately everyone is professional enough by now to stop using certain words, even Destiny is giving in. Victory for the shadowy Political Correctness cabal. hahaha well I definitely agree that it isn't professional and it's not the right move to make to let people take e-sports seriously. ...but calling it "trivialising" rape is going too far. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On November 07 2013 03:37 HeatEXTEND wrote: You mean "offensive to someone", words aren't inherently offensive. If I got actually offended by things that offend me on a principle level, I'd be a rage filled murder machine (gee, I hope no one reading this had someone close to him murdered by a raging maniac....). Words should be the least of the things someone is bothered with. oh god you sympathize with white people casually dropping the n word? | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
apart from that sexual intercourse without (sober) consent is wrong. | ||
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HeatEXTEND
Netherlands836 Posts
On November 07 2013 03:37 ComaDose wrote: i just found this random list: + Show Spoiler + Blaming the victim (“She asked for it!”) Trivializing sexual assault (“Boys will be boys!”) Tolerance of sexual harassment Inflating false rape report statistics Publicly scrutinizing a victim’s dress, mental state, motives, and history Gratuitous gendered violence in movies and television Defining “manhood” as dominant and sexually aggressive Defining “womanhood” as submissive and sexually passive Pressure on men to “score” Pressure on women to not appear “cold” Assuming only promiscuous women get raped Assuming that men don’t get raped or that only “weak” men get raped Refusing to take rape accusations seriously Teaching women to avoid getting raped instead of teaching men not to rape I have never in my life seen any examples of those and that includes the internet lol. Who the making-love (see what I did there?) stands up for a rapist. They are the bottom of the barrel even in prisons, one step above pedophiles. | ||
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HeatEXTEND
Netherlands836 Posts
On November 07 2013 03:39 ComaDose wrote: oh god you sympathize with white people casually dropping the n word? I knew you would pull that card lmfao. Well get this, women getting raped isn't a cultural thing, it's a crime. Slaves, the oppression of blacks by whites and Africa getting exploited ( just so you know, I was about to use the "R" word. would you say it would be appropriate there ? yes? no? could you repeat the question?) was fully culturally ingrained. Comparing the two is nothing more then short-sighted. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On November 07 2013 03:42 HeatEXTEND wrote: I have never in my life seen any examples of those and that includes the internet lol. Who the making-love (see what I did there?) stands up for a rapist. They are the bottom of the barrel even in prisons, one step above pedophiles. You are the 1%. Revolution! In any case, the Netherlands isn't quite as bad with rape culture, and we don't have disturbed right wing talk show hosts or politicians perpetuating this sort of thing, but there are a significant number of people that want to say these things despite it not being acceptable. On November 07 2013 03:50 HeatEXTEND wrote: I knew you would pull that card lmfao. Well get this, women getting raped isn't a cultural thing, it's a crime. Wrong. Please read any article on rape culture in India for a present day example. | ||
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Dogfoodboy16
364 Posts
On November 07 2013 03:36 HardlyNever wrote: Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever? Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?) Overwhelmingly, the main motivation for rape is sex. Yes, their are exceptions to that rule but that does not change the fact that rape is a sexual crime In most cases during a rape violence occurs when the girl resists the initial assault. After the rapist is done satisfying himself, he does not stick around to beat the hell out of the victim. Violent crimes are completely different from sexual crimes. You don't hear many cases about somebody hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat then ejaculating afterwords. | ||
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