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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 21:39:25
November 06 2013 21:27 GMT
#141
On November 07 2013 06:01 xM(Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 05:45 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On November 07 2013 04:41 xM(Z wrote:
On November 07 2013 04:25 mizU wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:55 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:36 HardlyNever wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:17 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On November 07 2013 02:48 HardlyNever wrote:
Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime.


No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity.

In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs


Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever?

Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?)


Overwhelmingly, the main motivation for rape is sex. Yes, their are exceptions to that rule but that does not change the fact that rape is a sexual crime

In most cases during a rape violence occurs when the girl resists the initial assault. After the rapist is done satisfying himself, he does not stick around to beat the hell out of the victim.

Violent crimes are completely different from sexual crimes. You don't hear many cases about somebody hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat then ejaculating afterwords.


Where are you getting this information? Rapes are more about dominance and exertion of power than sex.
Almost all male rapists are alphas, there's a reason for this.

where are you getting that information?. alphas?, really?. are the acquaintances of the victims, alphas?.
alphas don't rape, there is no reason for them to do so. they just wait for females to go/be in heat.

That is just a prime example of everything that is wrong with the internet passive-aggressive "dating culture."

that was just an example of what happens in the animal world. you know, where alphas still exist...

So that was sarcasm? If it was, I'm sorry. I've read too much depressing crap on the internet over the past few weeks. One man's joke seems to be another man's sincere (and sincerely stupid) belief.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
November 06 2013 21:35 GMT
#142
On November 07 2013 06:10 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 06:01 xM(Z wrote:
On November 07 2013 05:45 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On November 07 2013 04:41 xM(Z wrote:
On November 07 2013 04:25 mizU wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:55 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:36 HardlyNever wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:17 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On November 07 2013 02:48 HardlyNever wrote:
Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime.


No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity.

In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs


Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever?

Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?)


Overwhelmingly, the main motivation for rape is sex. Yes, their are exceptions to that rule but that does not change the fact that rape is a sexual crime

In most cases during a rape violence occurs when the girl resists the initial assault. After the rapist is done satisfying himself, he does not stick around to beat the hell out of the victim.

Violent crimes are completely different from sexual crimes. You don't hear many cases about somebody hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat then ejaculating afterwords.


Where are you getting this information? Rapes are more about dominance and exertion of power than sex.
Almost all male rapists are alphas, there's a reason for this.

where are you getting that information?. alphas?, really?. are the acquaintances of the victims, alphas?.
alphas don't rape, there is no reason for them to do so. they just wait for females to go/be in heat.

That is just a prime example of everything that is wrong with the internet passive-aggressive "dating culture."

that was just an example of what happens in the animal world. you know, where alphas still exist...

Lovely. It's ok, because it's what animals do.
Mind boggling.


Are you for real? Lol
dude bro.
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
November 06 2013 21:39 GMT
#143
It frustrates me that putting any responsibility on women's behavior for the prevalence of rape is met with accusations of victim blaming. I think all that that does is create more victims. Wearing provocative clothing, treating men as objects, and using sex to manipulate are just as valid to label contributing causes of rape as the ideas that men don't know that rape is wrong or are inherently wired to rape if not taught otherwise. We don't live in bubbles; our actions affect others for good or ill. That applies to both sexes.

This may sound backward to many, but I think the dissolution of the family and the loss of marriage as a means to unite families and raise children makes rape increase. People don't know what footing they stand on with each other, and sex is a commodity, so an unscrupulous person can look at someone they don't care about and think "why not take it by force?" It's ironic how tough we are on prostitution and yet make sex more of a commodity than it ever was. But it's hard to grasp such a global issue and pinpoint its causes and solutions. Anti-rape underwear seems to me like treatment of a symptom rather than the disease.

ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
November 06 2013 21:41 GMT
#144
"Wearing provocative clothing ... just as valid to label contributing causes of rape"

seeee there is rape culture everywhere you just need to know how to spot it.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
November 06 2013 21:46 GMT
#145
On November 07 2013 06:41 ComaDose wrote:
"Wearing provocative clothing ... just as valid to label contributing causes of rape"

seeee there is rape culture everywhere you just need to know how to spot it.


Are you going to share the reason it is not valid, or is your reason just rape culture full stop? If you can explain in plain English I'll be happy to listen.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 21:49:15
November 06 2013 21:48 GMT
#146
On November 07 2013 06:46 Mothra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 06:41 ComaDose wrote:
"Wearing provocative clothing ... just as valid to label contributing causes of rape"

seeee there is rape culture everywhere you just need to know how to spot it.


Are you going to share the reason it is not valid, or is your reason just rape culture full stop? If you can explain in plain English I'll be happy to listen.

Because wearing provocative clothing is not at all a contributing factor to rape and to suggest so shifts the blame from the rapist to the victim. almost as obvious of a case i can think of.
i.e. telling women they can't dress a certain way or they risk getting raped is not okay.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
November 06 2013 21:50 GMT
#147
On November 07 2013 06:41 ComaDose wrote:
"Wearing provocative clothing ... just as valid to label contributing causes of rape"

seeee there is rape culture everywhere you just need to know how to spot it.

If I get drunk, walk home through a dark park and get mugged is it partially my fault that someone mugged me? Yes, because I was acting like a moron. That has nothing to do with justifying the deed of the person who mugged me.

I could have done things differently to make it less likely to happen. Simply assuming that everyone should be able to walk through scary neighborhoods unharmed and, more importantly, that it's a completely reasonable thing to do is just plain naive.

There is a major difference between "blaming a victim" and "expecting common sense from every potential victim".
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 21:53:30
November 06 2013 21:52 GMT
#148
On November 07 2013 06:50 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 06:41 ComaDose wrote:
"Wearing provocative clothing ... just as valid to label contributing causes of rape"

seeee there is rape culture everywhere you just need to know how to spot it.

If I get drunk, walk home through a dark park and get mugged is it partially my fault that someone mugged me? Yes, because I was acting like a moron. That has nothing to do with justifying the deed of the person who mugged me.

I could have done things differently to make it less likely to happen. Simply assuming that everyone should be able to walk through scary neighborhoods unharmed and, more importantly, that it's a completely reasonable thing to do is just plain naive.

There is a major difference between "blaming a victim" and "expecting common sense from every potential victim".

okay that's a very small percentage of rapes you're talking about tho.
assuming your talking about walking through a dark dangerous area and not actually trying to justify telling women how to dress
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
November 06 2013 21:56 GMT
#149
On November 07 2013 06:46 Mothra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 06:41 ComaDose wrote:
"Wearing provocative clothing ... just as valid to label contributing causes of rape"

seeee there is rape culture everywhere you just need to know how to spot it.


Are you going to share the reason it is not valid, or is your reason just rape culture full stop? If you can explain in plain English I'll be happy to listen.

How is it valid? That's like saying if I wear a T-shirt with a knife on it, it's partially my fault if someone stabs me. Honestly, you can wear whatever the fuck you want without the fear of people violently forcing you to have sex, what kind of person seriously feel "Oh it's OK if I punch her and fuck her, she's wearing a short skirt".
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
November 06 2013 21:58 GMT
#150
Simply put a naked drunk woman is NOT asking for it
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 22:01:43
November 06 2013 21:59 GMT
#151
On November 07 2013 06:39 Mothra wrote:
It frustrates me that putting any responsibility on women's behavior for the prevalence of rape is met with accusations of victim blaming. I think all that that does is create more victims. Wearing provocative clothing, treating men as objects, and using sex to manipulate are just as valid to label contributing causes of rape as the ideas that men don't know that rape is wrong or are inherently wired to rape if not taught otherwise. We don't live in bubbles; our actions affect others for good or ill. That applies to both sexes.

This may sound backward to many, but I think the dissolution of the family and the loss of marriage as a means to unite families and raise children makes rape increase. People don't know what footing they stand on with each other, and sex is a commodity, so an unscrupulous person can look at someone they don't care about and think "why not take it by force?" It's ironic how tough we are on prostitution and yet make sex more of a commodity than it ever was. But it's hard to grasp such a global issue and pinpoint its causes and solutions. Anti-rape underwear seems to me like treatment of a symptom rather than the disease.


So far I have hypothesized that broken families, lack of eduction, and emotional immaturity are the primary causes of date rape. I am currently researching how the vast increase in pornography has impacted the increase of date rape among younger people. I have yet to find a strong correlation although i do believe one may exist.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
November 06 2013 22:00 GMT
#152
On November 07 2013 06:52 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 06:50 r.Evo wrote:
On November 07 2013 06:41 ComaDose wrote:
"Wearing provocative clothing ... just as valid to label contributing causes of rape"

seeee there is rape culture everywhere you just need to know how to spot it.

If I get drunk, walk home through a dark park and get mugged is it partially my fault that someone mugged me? Yes, because I was acting like a moron. That has nothing to do with justifying the deed of the person who mugged me.

I could have done things differently to make it less likely to happen. Simply assuming that everyone should be able to walk through scary neighborhoods unharmed and, more importantly, that it's a completely reasonable thing to do is just plain naive.

There is a major difference between "blaming a victim" and "expecting common sense from every potential victim".

okay that's a very small percentage of rapes your talking about tho.

It's the same chain of thought. We can all agree that it shouldn't make it more likely to be assaulted in any shape or form but the closer your outfit gets to a certain extreme the more likely you are to provoke extreme reactions. If I wear a pink string, walk into a biker bar and get punched in the face because "LOL LOOK AT HIM LOL GTFO" then I was being a moron as well. That line is completely fluid however.

There is a difference between wearing a short dress at a club and walking home half drunk at 4 am alone afterwards. If you're genuinely worried about your own safety you shouldn't compromise it that easily.

PS: Can someone link me all these "rapes occur here and there in that situation in x percentage"-statistics everyone seems to take as given? :3
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
November 06 2013 22:06 GMT
#153
On November 07 2013 06:56 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 06:46 Mothra wrote:
On November 07 2013 06:41 ComaDose wrote:
"Wearing provocative clothing ... just as valid to label contributing causes of rape"

seeee there is rape culture everywhere you just need to know how to spot it.


Are you going to share the reason it is not valid, or is your reason just rape culture full stop? If you can explain in plain English I'll be happy to listen.

How is it valid? That's like saying if I wear a T-shirt with a knife on it, it's partially my fault if someone stabs me. Honestly, you can wear whatever the fuck you want without the fear of people violently forcing you to have sex, what kind of person seriously feel "Oh it's OK if I punch her and fuck her, she's wearing a short skirt".

You're missing the point.

If you have a knife in your pocket you are more likely to get stabbed during a bar fight. That's why it was "partially your fault". You made sure there is at least one knife around in the first place. Whether you wanted to protect yourself with that knife, stab someone or make sure you can slice your bread the next morning is completely irrelevant here. That has nothing to do with excusing whatever happens to you, it's about appealing to common sense.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
November 06 2013 22:22 GMT
#154
On November 07 2013 06:50 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 06:41 ComaDose wrote:
"Wearing provocative clothing ... just as valid to label contributing causes of rape"

seeee there is rape culture everywhere you just need to know how to spot it.

If I get drunk, walk home through a dark park and get mugged is it partially my fault that someone mugged me? Yes, because I was acting like a moron. That has nothing to do with justifying the deed of the person who mugged me.

I could have done things differently to make it less likely to happen. Simply assuming that everyone should be able to walk through scary neighborhoods unharmed and, more importantly, that it's a completely reasonable thing to do is just plain naive.

There is a major difference between "blaming a victim" and "expecting common sense from every potential victim".

Does that mean that you're less likely to get a conviction though?
When they come to court, will the jury rule less harshly because you were stupid to walk through the dark park?
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
November 06 2013 22:23 GMT
#155
Furthermore, will this supposed murder's lawyer make a defense out of the fact you shouldn't have been in the park in the first place?
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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
November 06 2013 22:30 GMT
#156
i think he's talking more about a civic duty and less about a legal one.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
November 06 2013 22:31 GMT
#157
On November 07 2013 07:22 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 06:50 r.Evo wrote:
On November 07 2013 06:41 ComaDose wrote:
"Wearing provocative clothing ... just as valid to label contributing causes of rape"

seeee there is rape culture everywhere you just need to know how to spot it.

If I get drunk, walk home through a dark park and get mugged is it partially my fault that someone mugged me? Yes, because I was acting like a moron. That has nothing to do with justifying the deed of the person who mugged me.

I could have done things differently to make it less likely to happen. Simply assuming that everyone should be able to walk through scary neighborhoods unharmed and, more importantly, that it's a completely reasonable thing to do is just plain naive.

There is a major difference between "blaming a victim" and "expecting common sense from every potential victim".

Does that mean that you're less likely to get a conviction though?
When they come to court, will the jury rule less harshly because you were stupid to walk through the dark park?

I hope not.

As someone who isn't a lawyer I would argue that there shouldn't be a difference between being mugged when sober in bright daylight or when being drunk in the middle of the night. I was still mugged after all. I'm genuinely not sure if and to what extent there are (court-) arguments for situations like this. At least I can't think of anything that makes sense. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
November 06 2013 22:37 GMT
#158
On November 07 2013 06:27 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 06:01 xM(Z wrote:
On November 07 2013 05:45 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On November 07 2013 04:41 xM(Z wrote:
On November 07 2013 04:25 mizU wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:55 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:36 HardlyNever wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:17 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On November 07 2013 02:48 HardlyNever wrote:
Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime.


No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity.

In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs


Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever?

Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?)


Overwhelmingly, the main motivation for rape is sex. Yes, their are exceptions to that rule but that does not change the fact that rape is a sexual crime

In most cases during a rape violence occurs when the girl resists the initial assault. After the rapist is done satisfying himself, he does not stick around to beat the hell out of the victim.

Violent crimes are completely different from sexual crimes. You don't hear many cases about somebody hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat then ejaculating afterwords.


Where are you getting this information? Rapes are more about dominance and exertion of power than sex.
Almost all male rapists are alphas, there's a reason for this.

where are you getting that information?. alphas?, really?. are the acquaintances of the victims, alphas?.
alphas don't rape, there is no reason for them to do so. they just wait for females to go/be in heat.

That is just a prime example of everything that is wrong with the internet passive-aggressive "dating culture."

that was just an example of what happens in the animal world. you know, where alphas still exist...

So that was sarcasm? If it was, I'm sorry. I've read too much depressing crap on the internet over the past few weeks. One man's joke seems to be another man's sincere (and sincerely stupid) belief.

it's just shitty when wannabe feminists misuse that word thinking that if they cut of the head/leader, the others will fall in line. curing rape by striking (at) alphas...
it makes no sense.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
November 06 2013 22:48 GMT
#159
On November 07 2013 07:31 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 07:22 Zealos wrote:
On November 07 2013 06:50 r.Evo wrote:
On November 07 2013 06:41 ComaDose wrote:
"Wearing provocative clothing ... just as valid to label contributing causes of rape"

seeee there is rape culture everywhere you just need to know how to spot it.

If I get drunk, walk home through a dark park and get mugged is it partially my fault that someone mugged me? Yes, because I was acting like a moron. That has nothing to do with justifying the deed of the person who mugged me.

I could have done things differently to make it less likely to happen. Simply assuming that everyone should be able to walk through scary neighborhoods unharmed and, more importantly, that it's a completely reasonable thing to do is just plain naive.

There is a major difference between "blaming a victim" and "expecting common sense from every potential victim".

Does that mean that you're less likely to get a conviction though?
When they come to court, will the jury rule less harshly because you were stupid to walk through the dark park?

I hope not.

As someone who isn't a lawyer I would argue that there shouldn't be a difference between being mugged when sober in bright daylight or when being drunk in the middle of the night. I was still mugged after all. I'm genuinely not sure if and to what extent there are (court-) arguments for situations like this. At least I can't think of anything that makes sense. =P

Sadly, there is a blame game within society that spreads to the courts too. That is rape culture.
(Sorry for the Mail)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-369262/Women-blame-raped.html

On top of this (Watch the 2 men that come in):


This too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4453820.stm (Similar to the Mail article)

Then there was this debarcle: http://gawker.com/5991003/cnn-reports-on-the-promising-future-of-the-steubenville-rapists-who-are-very-good-students

Who cares about the women that were raped, the poor guys won't have a great future anymore!!!

Blaming women for getting raped is rape culture. It happens a lot, and it's kinda hard to argue that it doesn't exist...
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
November 06 2013 22:49 GMT
#160
On November 07 2013 07:37 xM(Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 06:27 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On November 07 2013 06:01 xM(Z wrote:
On November 07 2013 05:45 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On November 07 2013 04:41 xM(Z wrote:
On November 07 2013 04:25 mizU wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:55 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:36 HardlyNever wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:17 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On November 07 2013 02:48 HardlyNever wrote:
Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime.


No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity.

In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs


Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever?

Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?)


Overwhelmingly, the main motivation for rape is sex. Yes, their are exceptions to that rule but that does not change the fact that rape is a sexual crime

In most cases during a rape violence occurs when the girl resists the initial assault. After the rapist is done satisfying himself, he does not stick around to beat the hell out of the victim.

Violent crimes are completely different from sexual crimes. You don't hear many cases about somebody hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat then ejaculating afterwords.


Where are you getting this information? Rapes are more about dominance and exertion of power than sex.
Almost all male rapists are alphas, there's a reason for this.

where are you getting that information?. alphas?, really?. are the acquaintances of the victims, alphas?.
alphas don't rape, there is no reason for them to do so. they just wait for females to go/be in heat.

That is just a prime example of everything that is wrong with the internet passive-aggressive "dating culture."

that was just an example of what happens in the animal world. you know, where alphas still exist...

So that was sarcasm? If it was, I'm sorry. I've read too much depressing crap on the internet over the past few weeks. One man's joke seems to be another man's sincere (and sincerely stupid) belief.

it's just shitty when wannabe feminists misuse that word thinking that if they cut of the head/leader, the others will fall in line. curing rape by striking (at) alphas...
it makes no sense.

Yeah, urr, not really sure how you've got that strawman together.

Good job, anyway, I'm glad you refuted that point.
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