On November 07 2013 01:25 Zealos wrote: Love how no one knows about rape culture, and acts all shocked and offended when it's mentioned : D
The term and definition of Rape Culture originally came from the prison system.
The new term Rape Culture, is thrown around and used so much, so incorrectly, it doesn't mean anything (if it did at all in this case), and is only used as an "I win button" in the place of actual intellectual discourse.
I disagree entirely. Rape culture is a fairly ingrained part of society and anyone that studies urban, feminine, or anthropological/sociological studies knows that it's not just a phrase, but a cultural norm.
I honestly do not understand. I think in the entire civilized world raping anyone is frowned up and punished with jail? Can you maybe give some examples of what is this rape culture you talk about? Someone mentioned putting your dick inside a passed out girl before; well yeah that's obviously rape and I think 99% of ppl would agree?
Blaming the victim (“She asked for it!”) Trivializing sexual assault (“Boys will be boys!”) Tolerance of sexual harassment Inflating false rape report statistics Publicly scrutinizing a victim’s dress, mental state, motives, and history Gratuitous gendered violence in movies and television Defining “manhood” as dominant and sexually aggressive Defining “womanhood” as submissive and sexually passive Pressure on men to “score” Pressure on women to not appear “cold” Assuming only promiscuous women get raped Assuming that men don’t get raped or that only “weak” men get raped Refusing to take rape accusations seriously Teaching women to avoid getting raped instead of teaching men not to rape
I think 99% of ppl have seen examples of these?
I have never in my life seen any examples of those and that includes the internet lol. Who the making-love (see what I did there?) stands up for a rapist. They are the bottom of the barrel even in prisons, one step above pedophiles.
I think you just don't even know you witnessed all of those. It's very popular in music and television. And standing up for rapists (which people do mostly by calling the victim a liar) is only one of the points anyway. Maybe you have not seen the refusal to take rape accusations seriously but that's more of a law enforcement problem that is very real all over the world.
On November 07 2013 01:45 ComaDose wrote: if you can't avoid using offensive words then that's just sad.
You mean "offensive to someone", words aren't inherently offensive. If I got actually offended by things that offend me on a principle level, I'd be a rage filled murder machine (gee, I hope no one reading this had someone close to him murdered by a raging maniac....). Words should be the least of the things someone is bothered with.
oh god you sympathize with white people casually dropping the n word?
I knew you would pull that card lmfao. Well get this, women getting raped isn't a cultural thing, it's a crime. Slaves, the oppression of blacks by whites and Africa getting exploited ( just so you know, I was about to use the "R" word. would you say it would be appropriate there ? yes? no? could you repeat the question?) was fully culturally ingrained. Comparing the two is nothing more then short-sighted.
"words aren't inherently offensive" is quite short sighted
On November 07 2013 04:02 heliusx wrote: Haha. How does someone believing someone else is innocent of rape equal "rape culture"? That's got to be the worst example you could have used.
Don't believe someone is guilty of murder? murder culture!
when a victim approaches an officer and says i need to report a rape and is viewed with skepticism
Wrong. Please read any article on rape culture in India for a present day example.
I thought we were discussing "rape culture" in western countries. I'm fully aware (or at least somewhat, I'm no expert ) of the rape culture in, for example, places like India and some Arab countries, but comparing that to the general view of rape in "the west" is pretty useless.
On November 07 2013 02:48 HardlyNever wrote: Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime.
No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity.
In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs
Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever?
Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?)
Overwhelmingly, the main motivation for rape is sex. Yes, their are exceptions to that rule but that does not change the fact that rape is a sexual crime
In most cases during a rape violence occurs when the girl resists the initial assault. After the rapist is done satisfying himself, he does not stick around to beat the hell out of the victim.
Violent crimes are completely different from sexual crimes. You don't hear many cases about somebody hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat then ejaculating afterwords.
You could remove the "violent" part of everything I said and just leave "crime" and it is just as true. Feel free to do so, if you insist on making completely arbitrary classifications of crimes, based on... nothing at all.
I don't see how nitpicking one word out of everyone I wrote helps anything, though.
On November 07 2013 01:45 ComaDose wrote: if you can't avoid using offensive words then that's just sad.
You mean "offensive to someone", words aren't inherently offensive. If I got actually offended by things that offend me on a principle level, I'd be a rage filled murder machine (gee, I hope no one reading this had someone close to him murdered by a raging maniac....). Words should be the least of the things someone is bothered with.
oh god you sympathize with white people casually dropping the n word?
I knew you would pull that card lmfao. Well get this, women getting raped isn't a cultural thing, it's a crime. Slaves, the oppression of blacks by whites and Africa getting exploited ( just so you know, I was about to use the "R" word. would you say it would be appropriate there ? yes? no? could you repeat the question?) was fully culturally ingrained. Comparing the two is nothing more then short-sighted.
"words aren't inherently offensive" is quite short sighted
By nature, offence is taken, not given. Words aren't inherently offensive, it's on the listener to be offended or not.
On November 07 2013 01:45 ComaDose wrote: if you can't avoid using offensive words then that's just sad.
You mean "offensive to someone", words aren't inherently offensive. If I got actually offended by things that offend me on a principle level, I'd be a rage filled murder machine (gee, I hope no one reading this had someone close to him murdered by a raging maniac....). Words should be the least of the things someone is bothered with.
oh god you sympathize with white people casually dropping the n word?
I knew you would pull that card lmfao. Well get this, women getting raped isn't a cultural thing, it's a crime. Slaves, the oppression of blacks by whites and Africa getting exploited ( just so you know, I was about to use the "R" word. would you say it would be appropriate there ? yes? no? could you repeat the question?) was fully culturally ingrained. Comparing the two is nothing more then short-sighted.
"words aren't inherently offensive" is quite short sighted
Ok lol, I'm done wasting my time. Have a good one !
On November 07 2013 04:02 heliusx wrote: Haha. How does someone believing someone else is innocent of rape equal "rape culture"? That's got to be the worst example you could have used.
Don't believe someone is guilty of murder? murder culture!
when a victim approaches an officer and says i need to report a rape and is viewed with skepticism
I can hardly believe that is anywhere near common enough to define as "rape culture". Sounds more like small town cops protecting rapist friends and relatives.
On November 07 2013 02:48 HardlyNever wrote: Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime.
No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity.
In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs
Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever?
Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?)
Overwhelmingly, the main motivation for rape is sex. Yes, their are exceptions to that rule but that does not change the fact that rape is a sexual crime
In most cases during a rape violence occurs when the girl resists the initial assault. After the rapist is done satisfying himself, he does not stick around to beat the hell out of the victim.
Violent crimes are completely different from sexual crimes. You don't hear many cases about somebody hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat then ejaculating afterwords.
Where are you getting this information? Rapes are more about dominance and exertion of power than sex. Almost all male rapists are alphas, there's a reason for this.
Wrong. Please read any article on rape culture in India for a present day example.
I thought we were discussing "rape culture" in western countries. I'm fully aware (or at least somewhat, I'm no expert ) of the rape culture in, for example, places like India and some Arab countries, but comparing that to the general view of rape in "the west" is pretty useless.
Rape culture exists in the Western countries but not as prevalently It's usually disguised as "she was dressed like a slut" or "she shouldn't have drank in the first place" or "she deserved it"
On November 07 2013 04:02 heliusx wrote: Haha. How does someone believing someone else is innocent of rape equal "rape culture"? That's got to be the worst example you could have used.
Don't believe someone is guilty of murder? murder culture!
when a victim approaches an officer and says i need to report a rape and is viewed with skepticism
I can hardly believe that is anywhere near common enough to define as "rape culture". Sounds more like small town cops protecting rapist friends and relatives.
Well you can believe it or not but its pretty common in all major western cities. I know it happens in toronto. I read articles about it happening at universities all the time.
On November 07 2013 02:48 HardlyNever wrote: Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime.
No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity.
In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs
Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever?
Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?)
Overwhelmingly, the main motivation for rape is sex. Yes, their are exceptions to that rule but that does not change the fact that rape is a sexual crime
In most cases during a rape violence occurs when the girl resists the initial assault. After the rapist is done satisfying himself, he does not stick around to beat the hell out of the victim.
Violent crimes are completely different from sexual crimes. You don't hear many cases about somebody hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat then ejaculating afterwords.
Where are you getting this information? Rapes are more about dominance and exertion of power than sex. Almost all male rapists are alphas, there's a reason for this.
where are you getting that information?. alphas?, really?. are the acquaintances of the victims, alphas?. alphas don't rape, there is no reason for them to do so. they just wait for females to go/be in heat.
On November 07 2013 04:02 heliusx wrote: Haha. How does someone believing someone else is innocent of rape equal "rape culture"? That's got to be the worst example you could have used.
Don't believe someone is guilty of murder? murder culture!
Give up now. 'Rape culture' is a term designed to be as vague as possible, exactly because they don't want to have to explain themselves against comments like those. There's no point in trying to debate them.
On November 07 2013 02:48 HardlyNever wrote: Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime.
No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity.
In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs
Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever?
Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?)
Overwhelmingly, the main motivation for rape is sex. Yes, their are exceptions to that rule but that does not change the fact that rape is a sexual crime
In most cases during a rape violence occurs when the girl resists the initial assault. After the rapist is done satisfying himself, he does not stick around to beat the hell out of the victim.
Violent crimes are completely different from sexual crimes. You don't hear many cases about somebody hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat then ejaculating afterwords.
Where are you getting this information? Rapes are more about dominance and exertion of power than sex. Almost all male rapists are alphas, there's a reason for this.
You just reminded me of this old Brinks commercial
On November 07 2013 02:48 HardlyNever wrote: Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime.
No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity.
In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs
Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever?
Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?)
Overwhelmingly, the main motivation for rape is sex. Yes, their are exceptions to that rule but that does not change the fact that rape is a sexual crime
In most cases during a rape violence occurs when the girl resists the initial assault. After the rapist is done satisfying himself, he does not stick around to beat the hell out of the victim.
Violent crimes are completely different from sexual crimes. You don't hear many cases about somebody hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat then ejaculating afterwords.
Where are you getting this information? Rapes are more about dominance and exertion of power than sex. Almost all male rapists are alphas, there's a reason for this.
where are you getting that information?. alphas?, really?. are the acquaintances of the victims, alphas?. alphas don't rape, there is no reason for them to do so. they just wait for females to go/be in heat.
That is just a prime example of everything that is wrong with the internet passive-aggressive "dating culture."
On November 07 2013 02:48 HardlyNever wrote: Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime.
No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity.
In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs
Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever?
Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?)
Overwhelmingly, the main motivation for rape is sex. Yes, their are exceptions to that rule but that does not change the fact that rape is a sexual crime
In most cases during a rape violence occurs when the girl resists the initial assault. After the rapist is done satisfying himself, he does not stick around to beat the hell out of the victim.
Violent crimes are completely different from sexual crimes. You don't hear many cases about somebody hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat then ejaculating afterwords.
Where are you getting this information? Rapes are more about dominance and exertion of power than sex. Almost all male rapists are alphas, there's a reason for this.
where are you getting that information?. alphas?, really?. are the acquaintances of the victims, alphas?. alphas don't rape, there is no reason for them to do so. they just wait for females to go/be in heat.
That is just a prime example of everything that is wrong with the internet passive-aggressive "dating culture."
that was just an example of what happens in the animal world. you know, where alphas still exist...
On November 07 2013 05:45 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On November 07 2013 04:41 xM(Z wrote:
On November 07 2013 04:25 mizU wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:55 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:36 HardlyNever wrote:
On November 07 2013 03:17 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
On November 07 2013 02:48 HardlyNever wrote: Rape is a violent crime, like any other violent crime.
No, it isn't. Rape is a sexual crime. Rape includes violence and is a violent expression of sexuality, but derived from a persons insatiable need to be engaged in sexual proclivity.
In many instances of date rape, no violence occurs
Are you suggesting there is only one single motivation for all rapes ever?
Is there only one motivation for all murders ever? (A desire to have a person be dead, maybe?)
Overwhelmingly, the main motivation for rape is sex. Yes, their are exceptions to that rule but that does not change the fact that rape is a sexual crime
In most cases during a rape violence occurs when the girl resists the initial assault. After the rapist is done satisfying himself, he does not stick around to beat the hell out of the victim.
Violent crimes are completely different from sexual crimes. You don't hear many cases about somebody hitting a person in the head with a baseball bat then ejaculating afterwords.
Where are you getting this information? Rapes are more about dominance and exertion of power than sex. Almost all male rapists are alphas, there's a reason for this.
where are you getting that information?. alphas?, really?. are the acquaintances of the victims, alphas?. alphas don't rape, there is no reason for them to do so. they just wait for females to go/be in heat.
That is just a prime example of everything that is wrong with the internet passive-aggressive "dating culture."
that was just an example of what happens in the animal world. you know, where alphas still exist...
Lovely. It's ok, because it's what animals do. Mind boggling.
EPT
) of the rape culture in, for example, places like India and some Arab countries, but comparing that to the general view of rape in "the west" is pretty useless.
