EPTPublic masturbation now ok in Sweden - Page 4
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
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KwarK
United States43970 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:59 TheRealArtemis wrote: Because you can still walk in on them. Like I said in a previous post. Im just to accept having to watch people masturbate in nature while im running or walking my dog? or simply taking a stroll? They're forced to accept you walking your dog. That bizarre inter-species master slave relationship is way weirder than a guy touching his dick. Hell, bonobos masturbate but they don't keep pets. The difference is they're not trying to ban you walking your dog. | ||
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NTTemplar
609 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:55 TheRealArtemis wrote: What...If anything todays society does the exact opposite. More and more shows are about sex. About public sex on tv, and about learning how to pleasure your partner. The latest show I heard about from the UK (I believe?) is going to be about couples having sex in a big box in the studio, that is sound proof, and you cant look in. then when they are done, they come out and talk about it. So I don't see where our society says sex is a bad thing. And I personally never said sex was bad. I just find it ridicules that now we cant be anywhere, even in nature, without seeing some 65 old man, janking his dick. I don't want/wish to see another person masturbate. I find it gross if I would ever find such a person while im out walking my dog. Its disturbing. The shows about sex are in the minority, the big medias are constantly suppressing sex and they reach out to a vastly bigger audience. If I go to the swimhall I have to see dousens of naked guys in the lockerrooms, I think that is gross, so I just don't look. What is the difference that they are masturbating? so its gross, then just don't look and walk on, why should that upset you anymore? He is just masturbating, its not a big deal, its plain masturbating, ok you think its gross looking at this 65 old man, then don't look and just continue your walk peacefully. You are blowing it up to be some kind of big deal that he is masturbating, when it isn't. Also you mentioned your dogs, plenty of dogs hump stuff in public all the time, should dogs be banned from public or be taught to never hump stuff then? that would be ridicouless, and its also ridicouless to be so upset about someone masturbating. Masturbating isn't a big deal, its a healthy activity and if you don't like to watch it just don't look at it and continue your day as normal. | ||
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KwarK
United States43970 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:00 Badfatpanda wrote: If we're OK with public release of bodily fluids why the fuck is public defecation still illegal then? Clean up as you go and don't do it directed at anyone and I see no reason why it should be. I hear horror stories about people peeing on the side of the road in the US being put on the sex offenders register. Sometimes in life people just have to pee. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:00 Badfatpanda wrote: If we're OK with public release of bodily fluids why the fuck is public defecation still illegal then? illegal, but so satisfying. | ||
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:47 KwarK wrote: You are arguing that there needs to be a law against masturbation in public because a child could passively see it (passively because if the child is intended to see it then it's covered by the law) and you think something bad will come of the child seeing it. You didn't make it clear what bad thing you thought would happen if they learned that sometimes people rub their genitals so I made a guess, maybe you should clear that up. What bad thing do you think will happen if a child sees someone masturbating? im pretty sure you are trolling.... but how about cause its fucking indecent and most people dont want to live in a society where you can take your dick out in public. Im sorry KWARK but if you want that, then I would want you in jail and I think as a society we made it clear that shit is wrong. I dont want a 6 year old kid walking down the street seeing that shit and think it is okay...what bad comes of it? I dunno maybe the kid will then decide to take his dick out in his grade 1 class. Its not just kids though most grown ups believe it or not dont wanna see you KWARK stroking your dick in public. If you want to stroke your dick at home in front of your kids to teach em its okay to rub your genitals sometimes that is your right as a parent I guess, just dont teach the rest of our kids. | ||
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NTTemplar
609 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:04 KwarK wrote: Clean up as you go and don't do it directed at anyone and I see no reason why it should be. I hear horror stories about people peeing on the side of the road in the US being put on the sex offenders register. Sometimes in life people just have to pee. Also dogs and horses alleready do both of these along the streets, and that isn't being enforced. And people usually don't clean up after horses even. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
We don't want children to know about masturbation because it will hurt them. Children love things that will hurt them for example cigarettes. We must protect our children. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:03 KwarK wrote: They're forced to accept you walking your dog. That bizarre inter-species master slave relationship is way weirder than a guy touching his dick. Hell, bonobos masturbate but they don't keep pets. The difference is they're not trying to ban you walking your dog. If i replace the "walking the dog" by "talking a walk on myself" is that still apply ? I want to understand why you support this so vehemently. I think i'm missing something. Maybe i don't understand you very well  | ||
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KwarK
United States43970 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:06 ChoiSulli wrote: im pretty sure you are trolling.... but how about cause its fucking indecent and most people dont want to live in a society where you can take your dick out in public. Im sorry KWARK but if you want that, then I would want you in jail and I think as a society we made it clear that shit is wrong. I dont want a 6 year old kid walking down the street seeing that shit and think it is okay...what bad comes of it? I dunno maybe the kid will then decide to take his dick out in his grade 1 class. Its not just kids though most grown ups believe it or not dont wanna see you KWARK stroking your dick in public. If you want to stroke your dick at home in front of your kids to teach em its okay to rub your genitals sometimes that is your right as a parent I guess, just dont teach the rest of our kids. I'm not trolling. I'm reasonably sure you can teach a kid about not masturbating in school without banning masturbation by yourself in the countryside. You're arguing for the banning of A because of potential result E which isn't something caused by A, is itself solvable by F and skipped four intervening letters anyway. | ||
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Nightshake
France412 Posts
Moreover, I am shocked that people tell about their parents sex life and that KwarK for example finds no problem that a 65 year old man masturbates in front of little children with their parents who are just walking by. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:09 KwarK wrote: I'm not trolling. I'm reasonably sure you can teach a kid about not masturbating in school without banning masturbation by yourself in the countryside. You're arguing for the banning of A because of potential result E which isn't something caused by A, is itself solvable by F and skipped four intervening letters anyway. Oh i think i understood now. It was a little to subtle for me since you use a lot of sarcasm in your previous post. Basicly you say : - Don't arrest people that do things that can be prevented by teaching children ? Is that it ? But what of people that do it and will be saying after : "i was doing my own thing" but he got off by people walking buy. Who do you prevent that ? | ||
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:07 DonKey_ wrote: Page 4 and this thread hasn't popped up. For shame. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=21429 We don't want children to know about masturbation because it will hurt them. Children love things that will hurt them for example cigarettes. We must protect our children. Its not about masturbation is bad, its about a lot of people don't want to accidently stumble on to people who do. I love masturbation, hey there I said it. But that doesn't mean I wish to accidently see my best friend do it. Im gonna be grossed out by it. | ||
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NTTemplar
609 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:06 ChoiSulli wrote: im pretty sure you are trolling.... but how about cause its fucking indecent and most people dont want to live in a society where you can take your dick out in public. Im sorry KWARK but if you want that, then I would want you in jail and I think as a society we made it clear that shit is wrong. I dont want a 6 year old kid walking down the street seeing that shit and think it is okay...what bad comes of it? I dunno maybe the kid will then decide to take his dick out in his grade 1 class. Its not just kids though most grown ups believe it or not dont wanna see you KWARK stroking your dick in public. If you want to stroke your dick at home in front of your kids to teach em its okay to rub your genitals sometimes that is your right as a parent I guess, just dont teach the rest of our kids. If you go to the lockerroms in your local swim pool or gym you will see tons of dicks around, how is that not indecent? They should all have their own little box to be naked it, and be fully clothed otherwise right? Many tribes in africa not affected by modern media actually go around naked and they have no fucking problem with it, because they don't have some twisted view that sexuality needs to be suppressed. Children there run around seeing adults naked all around them all the time and its not a problem. If you at every opportunity punish people for being nude and masturbating you are putting it into childrens heads that its bad, in particular a lot of teenage girls in society feel shameful for masturbating and it takes a toll on their mentalhealth, many chose not to do it because of that shame and the impressions they get that its wrong, this cases a ton of mentalhealth issues for teenage girls, guys are affected as well but to a much lesser degree, as guys have a very strong physical need to masturbate, compared to girls who have a much stronger emotional need for it. A lot of grown ups are like you, affected by societies suppression of sexuality, which causes a lot of harm. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
you never tried to wipe yourself with a leaf then.. On October 01 2013 00:07 DonKey_ wrote: Page 4 and this thread hasn't popped up. For shame. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=21429 We don't want children to know about masturbation because it will hurt them. Children love things that will hurt them for example cigarettes. We must protect our children. This is the wrong way to do it, in France, even tho its illegal to buy cigarettes before 18 i believe, you dont have any trouble to find 12yo kids smoking | ||
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KwarK
United States43970 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:09 FFW_Rude wrote: If i replace the "walking the dog" by "talking a walk on myself" is that still apply ? I want to understand why you support this so vehemently. I think i'm missing something. Maybe i don't understand you very well I don't understand why walking a dog in a forest is fine, walking alone in a forest is fine, having a picnic in a forest is fine, dressing up as a clown in a forest is fine but jacking it in a forest needs to be illegal because someone might see. Someone might see all of these things and yet they're not banned. It's only if you impart some hugely negative value judgement on masturbation that it makes any kind of sense and I just don't agree that it's especially harmful. Non-consensual sexual involvement should absolutely be illegal but it is so that's not the issue. People seem to be saying that just passively seeing it is so awful it must be illegal and I just don't see why. Freedom should be limited on the basis of harm. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:15 KwarK wrote: I don't understand why walking a dog in a forest is fine, walking alone in a forest is fine, having a picnic in a forest is fine, dressing up as a clown in a forest is fine but jacking it in a forest needs to be illegal because someone might see. Someone might see all of these things and yet they're not banned. It's only if you impart some hugely negative value judgement on masturbation that it makes any kind of sense and I just don't agree that it's especially harmful. Non-consensual sexual involvement should absolutely be illegal but it is so that's not the issue. People seem to be saying that just passively seeing it is so awful it must be illegal and I just don't see why. Freedom should be limited on the basis of harm. Well... Seeing someone masturbating can be non-consensual sex if the person you see what you to see it. How do you prove that it's not the case then ? So you have the same problem to : "You get out of your home and open the door". 1. You see me walking accosse the street. 2. You see me masturbating accross the street. It's the same thing for you ? | ||
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KwarK
United States43970 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:15 Jibba wrote: If someone were to sexually assault someone/harass them through masturbation, how would you prove it? What level of proof would you require to stop sick fucks from treading the line? If a guy picked in front of a school to do it I'd be happy concluding his intention was probably to be seen by the children. If he picked behind a tree in the middle of nowhere I'd be happy concluding that it was not. We have a legal system to decide these things. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
"They're forced to accept you walking your dog. That bizarre inter-species master slave relationship is way weirder than a guy touching his dick. Hell, bonobos masturbate but they don't keep pets. The difference is they're not trying to ban you walking your dog." Like wtf? Annyway i saw a lunatic masturbate in a train once ,it was not aimed at annyone specific (he was just mentally ill), he didnt even have his dick out his pants and it was fking disgusting still. "People seem to be saying that just passively seeing it is so awful it must be illegal and I just don't see why. Freedom should be limited on the basis of harm." Yes seeing a guy masurbate in public is verry awfull tbh. | ||
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