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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:34 KwarK wrote: Educate children about how masturbation is so shameful that if you do it where anyone could potentially see you're a criminal! Kwark if you're gonna strawman other people's opinions to ridiculous extremes, don't be too surprised when people start talking about how TL mods support sex education via money shot. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:23 Dundron2000 wrote: this title is a bit misleading. he wasn't charged with a sex crime because there the prosecution could not prove he was directing his behavior toward someone in the vicinity. he will however probably be charged with "förargelseväckande beteende" which translates roughly as "outrageous public behavior." so keep your pants on, its not legal to masturbate publicly in Sweden, even if you aren't looking someone in the eyes while you're doing it. Can a mod put this in OP? Or up top? OP is quite misleading (which is likely due to the linked article). | ||
KwarK
United States43971 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:41 RockIronrod wrote: Kwark if you're gonna strawman other people's opinions to ridiculous extremes, don't be too surprised when people start talking about how TL mods support sex education via money shot. There are already laws covering that. What this ruling says is that masturbation isn't inherently criminal and I'm absolutely amazed that people are disputing that. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:34 KwarK wrote: Educate children about how masturbation is so shameful that if you do it where anyone could potentially see you're a criminal! People must really hate having discussions with you. You just keep putting words in my mouth and I will not lower myself to this level. Let's stop right here. Have a nice day. | ||
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:43 KwarK wrote: There are already laws covering that. What this ruling says is that masturbation isn't inherently criminal and I'm absolutely amazed that people are disputing that. People are disputing the ability to do so in public in full view of other people, on the flawed notion that this ruling legalised it, mainly based on the idea that a dude jerking it in front of children is pretty fucked up. | ||
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KwarK
United States43971 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:44 Musicus wrote: People must really hate having discussions. You just keep putting words in my mouth and I will not lower myself to this level. Let's stop right here. Have a nice day. You are arguing that there needs to be a law against masturbation in public because a child could passively see it (passively because if the child is intended to see it then it's covered by the law) and you think something bad will come of the child seeing it. You didn't make it clear what bad thing you thought would happen if they learned that sometimes people rub their genitals so I made a guess, maybe you should clear that up. What bad thing do you think will happen if a child sees someone masturbating? | ||
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NTTemplar
609 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:40 TheRealArtemis wrote: Urgh. I feel sometimes societies goes in the wrong direction. To me there is a difference between learning about sex, enjoying sex, and then jacking off/having sex in the wild. What the f*** is the need for it? So next time I'm in Sweden and I decide to take a walk in Sweden's beautiful nature, I can perhaps expect to see some person moaning in the woods masturbating furiously. Well that's great. Im happy to see the majority of people here think its a tad too much. What is wrong with seeing a person masturbate? That there are people that think having sex in the wild is weird, is just mindboogling to me. We did it for thousands of years and a lot of people still do it, and all other animals do it. Todays society keeps making sex out to be some weird shameful thing and its causing guys and girls in particular to have a very bad relation to masturbating and their body, which can cause a lot of problems throughout a persons life. If we let children grow up with masturbating being a completely ok thing to do, then we would have a much healthier generation, instead of the plethora of issues teenagers end up having today. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:40 TheRealArtemis wrote: Urgh. I feel sometimes societies goes in the wrong direction. To me there is a difference between learning about sex, enjoying sex, and then jacking off/having sex in the wild. What the f*** is the need for it? So next time I'm in Sweden and I decide to take a walk in Sweden's beautiful nature, I can perhaps expect to see some person moaning in the woods masturbating furiously. Well that's great. Im happy to see the majority of people here think its a tad too much. You don't think it could be harmful for a child to see that? The child could believe that he or she was about to get raped. I would call that a traumatic experience. Children generally don't even understand the concept of rape. Untill they get "the sex talk" or learn about it from other sources sexuality isn't even something that's on their mind. After said sex talk or learning about it from other sources they will know masturbation is a perfectly normal form of release and doesn't do any harm whatsoever. I wouldn't want to watch it myself, but the notion that it might traumatize children is retarded beyond words. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
If a guy masterbate in the street and "forces you" (in a sens) to watch, it's public nudity and it's charged. So basicly if i understand right, people are talking about removing the charging for people that masturbate in the street ? | ||
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Shinrei
United States241 Posts
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NTTemplar
609 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:40 TheRealArtemis wrote: You don't think it could be harmful for a child to see that? The child could believe that he or she was about to get raped. I would call that a traumatic experience. No I really don't think that would be harmful, seeing a person masturbating and thinking they will be raped? no I really doubt any child would think that, a child isn't thinking they will be raped before they are actually being raped, if they were able to think that, they would be able to distinquish between a person assaulting you and a person just masturbating by themselves. I however think it is very harmful for a child to see anyone masturbating being punished, putting it in their mind that if they ever do that then they will be punished, so it is a bad bad thing to do. | ||
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:47 NTTemplar wrote: What is wrong with seeing a person masturbate? That there are people that think having sex in the wild is weird, is just mindboogling to me. We did it for thousands of years and a lot of people still do it, and all other animals do it. Todays society keeps making sex out to be some weird shameful thing and its causing guys and girls in particular to have a very bad relation to masturbating and their body, which can cause a lot of problems throughout a persons life. If we let children grow up with masturbating being a completely ok thing to do, then we would have a much healthier generation, instead of the plethora of issues teenagers end up having today. What...If anything todays society does the exact opposite. More and more shows are about sex. About public sex on tv, and about learning how to pleasure your partner. The latest show I heard about from the UK (I believe?) is going to be about couples having sex in a big box in the studio, that is sound proof, and you cant look in. then when they are done, they come out and talk about it. So I don't see where our society says sex is a bad thing. And I personally never said sex was bad. I just find it ridicules that now we cant be anywhere, even in nature, without seeing some 65 old man, janking his dick. I don't want/wish to see another person masturbate. I find it gross if I would ever find such a person while im out walking my dog. Its disturbing. | ||
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KwarK
United States43971 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:51 FFW_Rude wrote: If you see a guy through his window masterbating, this is voyeurism and you can be charged. If a guy masterbate in the street and "forces you" (in a sens) to watch, it's public nudity and it's charged. So basicly if i understand right, people are talking about removing the charging for people that masturbate in the street ? If you're doing it because you get off on people watching you it's still illegal because you're involving them. If you're just doing your own thing, not involving anyone, not harming anyone, who the fuck cares. Now I'm reasonably sure everyone deciding to do it on a street would be the first category but also that most people masturbating or fucking their girlfriends outside are the second category. There is no reason to make a blanket law against the acts themselves when you can distinguish between them. | ||
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wingpawn
Poland1342 Posts
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KwarK
United States43971 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:55 TheRealArtemis wrote: What...If anything todays society does the exact opposite. More and more shows are about sex. About public sex on tv, and about learning how to pleasure your partner. The latest show I heard about from the UK (I believe?) is going to be about couples having sex in a big box in the studio, that is sound proof, and you cant look in. then when they are done, they come out and talk about it. So I don't see where our society says sex is a bad thing. And I personally never said sex was bad. I just find it ridicules that now we cant be anywhere, even in nature, without seeing some 65 old man, janking his dick. I don't want/wish to see another person masturbate. I find it gross if I would ever find such a person while im out walking my dog. Its disturbing. Seeing someone jacking off and not involving them in any way, just enjoying their body, ought not to do anything to harm a child's sexual development while all those tv shows probably do because they impart value judgements about their material. Ultimately it comes down to you thinking you have more right to walk your dog than another guy does to touch his dick in the same space. He's happy co-existing but you're not. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:55 KwarK wrote: If you're doing it because you get off on people watching you it's still illegal because you're involving them. If you're just doing your own thing, not involving anyone, not harming anyone, who the fuck cares. Now I'm reasonably sure everyone deciding to do it on a street would be the first category but also that most people masturbating or fucking their girlfriends outside are the second category. There is no reason to make a blanket law against the acts themselves when you can distinguish between them. So if you do your own thing by a tree and i stumble accross you. It's fine ? Because i was involved at the time because i saw you. i fail to understand what you want to say  | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:55 KwarK wrote: If you're doing it because you get off on people watching you it's still illegal because you're involving them. If you're just doing your own thing, not involving anyone, not harming anyone, who the fuck cares. Now I'm reasonably sure everyone deciding to do it on a street would be the first category but also that most people masturbating or fucking their girlfriends outside are the second category. There is no reason to make a blanket law against the acts themselves when you can distinguish between them. seems like enforcing someone being malicious about it would be fairly difficult. "he looked at me funny while playing with his thing" "no i didn't" although I guess the same can be said for a bunch of laws. | ||
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
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