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On September 30 2013 23:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Should totally me legal, good change.
I think that if you are intentionally showing your dong to passerbys it's too much... But I see no issue masturbating in a public bathroom, outside in a field, movie theatre, or just anywhere where your penis/vagina is not exposed to many people who don't want to seewhere
Now that we are in a day and age where everyone is always busy, you should not be required to receive your secure release late in the evening when you're home. I hope other countries follow suit.
I actually completely agree with this. People interpret this a lot as actually doing it publicly, but obviously people that are going to do it in those places were going to anyway - I think this is a good rule, in this day and age. I personally can't say I'm much of a fan, but if you're alone and there's nobody in a certain radius around you - Do what you need to do. 
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What the fuck, this isn't a new law, there is no change. This is a specific case where the ruling turned out this way. That's it. Now, I assume from the article that this was from Tingsrätten (the lowest instance), where it has absolutely no power as a precedent...
Move on folks, nothing happened here.
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On October 01 2013 00:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 00:38 Paljas wrote:On October 01 2013 00:35 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:27 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2013 00:26 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:22 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2013 00:19 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:15 Jibba wrote:
If someone were to sexually assault someone/harass them through masturbation, how would you prove it? What level of proof would you require to stop sick fucks from treading the line? If a guy picked in front of a school to do it I'd be happy concluding his intention was probably to be seen by the children. If he picked behind a tree in the middle of nowhere I'd be happy concluding that it was not. We have a legal system to decide these things. But what if the guy is not IN FRONT of the school and is against the wall that board the school and get off by hearing the voices of children... They were arrest of that kind of guy... How do you prove what they are doing if you have no law to this ? In cases where he's obviously involving other people it's still illegal. Are you arguing that we should outlaw a bunch of stuff that doesn't harm anyone so that way it's easier to prosecute people who do stuff that is illegal because they'll have broken a really broad law? That seems a shitty way to legislate. Might as well ban breathing so any time you have a murder suspect you can't convict you can get them on breathing. Yes, because the benefit of public masturbation doesn't outweigh the difficulty and cost of the harassment that ensues. We're not talking fundamental rights or basic sustenance. It's the same way we make rules that don't necessarily apply very well on an individual basis, but exist due to how things function in the entire system. I don't get this harassment thing and how it isn't already covered by the "not directed at anyone" aspect of the ruling. If you're picking a specific person to masturbate in front of because you want them to see it then that's illegal. I don't see how this ruling in any way allows harassment, it's simply that the act itself isn't criminal, rather how you do it might make it criminal. Why is the intention so important? For the people watching it, there is no significant difference between a guy just doing his own thing or a guy wanting it to be seen. Maybe they should stop watching things that offend them so much if the guy is just doing his own thing and not involving them in any way. A lot of people have serious phobias about dogs but they don't try to ban dog walking in public parks because they understand the difference between their issue and a legal issue.
the same could be said about a guy targeting persons/wanting it to be seen.
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On October 01 2013 00:44 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 00:42 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:38 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2013 00:35 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:27 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2013 00:26 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:22 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2013 00:19 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:15 Jibba wrote:
If someone were to sexually assault someone/harass them through masturbation, how would you prove it? What level of proof would you require to stop sick fucks from treading the line? If a guy picked in front of a school to do it I'd be happy concluding his intention was probably to be seen by the children. If he picked behind a tree in the middle of nowhere I'd be happy concluding that it was not. We have a legal system to decide these things. But what if the guy is not IN FRONT of the school and is against the wall that board the school and get off by hearing the voices of children... They were arrest of that kind of guy... How do you prove what they are doing if you have no law to this ? In cases where he's obviously involving other people it's still illegal. Are you arguing that we should outlaw a bunch of stuff that doesn't harm anyone so that way it's easier to prosecute people who do stuff that is illegal because they'll have broken a really broad law? That seems a shitty way to legislate. Might as well ban breathing so any time you have a murder suspect you can't convict you can get them on breathing. Yes, because the benefit of public masturbation doesn't outweigh the difficulty and cost of the harassment that ensues. We're not talking fundamental rights or basic sustenance. It's the same way we make rules that don't necessarily apply very well on an individual basis, but exist due to how things function in the entire system. I don't get this harassment thing and how it isn't already covered by the "not directed at anyone" aspect of the ruling. If you're picking a specific person to masturbate in front of because you want them to see it then that's illegal. I don't see how this ruling in any way allows harassment, it's simply that the act itself isn't criminal, rather how you do it might make it criminal. It's that it will be nearly impossible to prove harassment outside of extreme cases, making that section essentially null. Then have the burden of proof be on the guy jacking off. If he took reasonable steps to not involve anyone else then he's in the clear. There will always be shades of grey with any law but we have an entire legal system dedicated to dealing with this shit and working out how grey is too grey. This isn't some new unsolvable problem that needs addressing, this is what the legal system does. Painting everything black is not a reasonable solution to the shades of grey problem. It is when it's a super fucking minor benefit. Even the rules on TL are designed with this in mind. You can't make every case a discretionary one. Sometimes exceptions get cut down because of the grand scheme of things.
Well consider this ruling a test case. If it triggers a spate of sexual harassment with the law unable to do anything about it then I'm sure they'll reconsider it. But if, as I suspect, it just functions as an exemption that stops people who didn't intend anything malicious and didn't harm anyone from being registered as sex offenders then good for them.
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Thats certainly something. I think I'm going to go with ewwwwww, and no its not ok.
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On October 01 2013 00:47 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 00:44 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:38 Paljas wrote:On October 01 2013 00:35 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:27 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2013 00:26 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:22 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2013 00:19 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:15 Jibba wrote:
If someone were to sexually assault someone/harass them through masturbation, how would you prove it? What level of proof would you require to stop sick fucks from treading the line? If a guy picked in front of a school to do it I'd be happy concluding his intention was probably to be seen by the children. If he picked behind a tree in the middle of nowhere I'd be happy concluding that it was not. We have a legal system to decide these things. But what if the guy is not IN FRONT of the school and is against the wall that board the school and get off by hearing the voices of children... They were arrest of that kind of guy... How do you prove what they are doing if you have no law to this ? In cases where he's obviously involving other people it's still illegal. Are you arguing that we should outlaw a bunch of stuff that doesn't harm anyone so that way it's easier to prosecute people who do stuff that is illegal because they'll have broken a really broad law? That seems a shitty way to legislate. Might as well ban breathing so any time you have a murder suspect you can't convict you can get them on breathing. Yes, because the benefit of public masturbation doesn't outweigh the difficulty and cost of the harassment that ensues. We're not talking fundamental rights or basic sustenance. It's the same way we make rules that don't necessarily apply very well on an individual basis, but exist due to how things function in the entire system. I don't get this harassment thing and how it isn't already covered by the "not directed at anyone" aspect of the ruling. If you're picking a specific person to masturbate in front of because you want them to see it then that's illegal. I don't see how this ruling in any way allows harassment, it's simply that the act itself isn't criminal, rather how you do it might make it criminal. Why is the intention so important? For the people watching it, there is no significant difference between a guy just doing his own thing or a guy wanting it to be seen. Maybe they should stop watching things that offend them so much if the guy is just doing his own thing and not involving them in any way. A lot of people have serious phobias about dogs but they don't try to ban dog walking in public parks because they understand the difference between their issue and a legal issue. the same could be said about a guy targeting persons/wanting it to be seen.
I disagree. Once voyeurism is involved the other person is being made part of the act against their will. Without any intent to be seen the watcher isn't a part of the act.
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There is a legitimate argument to be made about the concept of indecency and its place in modern society. It's slightly more rewarding than quibbling about how far away you have to be from people before you are allowed to jack it in nature.
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I think letting the guy go, in this particular case, seems reasonable. Given the situation, he probably had a "reasonable expectation" of privacy, and that he wouldn't be "endangering" or "harassing" anyone with what he was doing.
However, it seems weird to me that the Swedish government now feels the need to codify this specific case ruling into a standing law. Clearly, I don't have a full understanding how of the Swedish legal system works, and maybe this is just how they have to do it now that they have made the ruling on this particular case (and they can't have standing case-law). If that is what is going on, then this entire thing seems pretty sensationalist.
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On October 01 2013 00:46 Thalandros wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 23:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Should totally me legal, good change.
I think that if you are intentionally showing your dong to passerbys it's too much... But I see no issue masturbating in a public bathroom, outside in a field, movie theatre, or just anywhere where your penis/vagina is not exposed to many people who don't want to seewhere
Now that we are in a day and age where everyone is always busy, you should not be required to receive your secure release late in the evening when you're home. I hope other countries follow suit. I actually completely agree with this. People interpret this a lot as actually doing it publicly, but obviously people that are going to do it in those places were going to anyway - I think this is a good rule, in this day and age. I personally can't say I'm much of a fan, but if you're alone and there's nobody in a certain radius around you - Do what you need to do.
Maybe because the old dude, was on the beach, at the water's edge.
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On October 01 2013 00:51 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 00:46 Thalandros wrote:On September 30 2013 23:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Should totally me legal, good change.
I think that if you are intentionally showing your dong to passerbys it's too much... But I see no issue masturbating in a public bathroom, outside in a field, movie theatre, or just anywhere where your penis/vagina is not exposed to many people who don't want to seewhere
Now that we are in a day and age where everyone is always busy, you should not be required to receive your secure release late in the evening when you're home. I hope other countries follow suit. I actually completely agree with this. People interpret this a lot as actually doing it publicly, but obviously people that are going to do it in those places were going to anyway - I think this is a good rule, in this day and age. I personally can't say I'm much of a fan, but if you're alone and there's nobody in a certain radius around you - Do what you need to do. Maybe because the old dude, was on the beach, at the water's edge.
Most of the coastline in England is deserted. If it were a crowded beach frequented by children during daytime in the Summer holidays I'd be happy concluding he wanted to be seen and I suspect most courts would decide the same.
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Just a theoretical concept: What would be, if one would be raised in a society where masturbation in the puplic is common practice?
In context of the sexual development of children
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Do people actually want more sex in their culture? Isn't there a disturbing the peace law that is in conflict? Jesus...
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On October 01 2013 00:52 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 00:51 Godwrath wrote:On October 01 2013 00:46 Thalandros wrote:On September 30 2013 23:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Should totally me legal, good change.
I think that if you are intentionally showing your dong to passerbys it's too much... But I see no issue masturbating in a public bathroom, outside in a field, movie theatre, or just anywhere where your penis/vagina is not exposed to many people who don't want to seewhere
Now that we are in a day and age where everyone is always busy, you should not be required to receive your secure release late in the evening when you're home. I hope other countries follow suit. I actually completely agree with this. People interpret this a lot as actually doing it publicly, but obviously people that are going to do it in those places were going to anyway - I think this is a good rule, in this day and age. I personally can't say I'm much of a fan, but if you're alone and there's nobody in a certain radius around you - Do what you need to do. Maybe because the old dude, was on the beach, at the water's edge. Most of the coastline in England is deserted. If it were a crowded beach frequented by children during daytime in the Summer holidays I'd be happy concluding he wanted to be seen and I suspect most courts would decide the same.
Yeah, that would make sense, but it was on Sweden, and we have no clue which beach it was. I guess i will give the benefit of the doubt or wether the man thought he was alone or not, in which case i totally agree, and probably the pictures of the beach misslead me into thinking that was the actual place, which seems fairly crowded.
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On October 01 2013 00:14 NTTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 00:06 ChoiSulli wrote:On September 30 2013 23:47 KwarK wrote:On September 30 2013 23:44 Musicus wrote:On September 30 2013 23:34 KwarK wrote:On September 30 2013 23:33 Musicus wrote:On September 30 2013 23:24 KwarK wrote:On September 30 2013 23:20 Musicus wrote:
I can understand how this guy was acquitted, but this can under no circumtances mean that it's generally ok to masturbate in public. What if children are at the scene? It should only be allowed in areas where no children are allowed if anything. At all costs we must keep children from learning they have genitals. That needs to be our number one priority going into legislature. I don't know why you quoted me to express your opinion, but I don't agree with you. I think we need to educate children and be open about topics like this. But that has nothing to do with masturbating in public. Educate children about how masturbation is so shameful that if you do it where anyone could potentially see you're a criminal! People must really hate having discussions. You just keep putting words in my mouth and I will not lower myself to this level. Let's stop right here. Have a nice day. You are arguing that there needs to be a law against masturbation in public because a child could passively see it (passively because if the child is intended to see it then it's covered by the law) and you think something bad will come of the child seeing it. You didn't make it clear what bad thing you thought would happen if they learned that sometimes people rub their genitals so I made a guess, maybe you should clear that up. What bad thing do you think will happen if a child sees someone masturbating? im pretty sure you are trolling.... but how about cause its fucking indecent and most people dont want to live in a society where you can take your dick out in public. Im sorry KWARK but if you want that, then I would want you in jail and I think as a society we made it clear that shit is wrong. I dont want a 6 year old kid walking down the street seeing that shit and think it is okay...what bad comes of it? I dunno maybe the kid will then decide to take his dick out in his grade 1 class. Its not just kids though most grown ups believe it or not dont wanna see you KWARK stroking your dick in public. If you want to stroke your dick at home in front of your kids to teach em its okay to rub your genitals sometimes that is your right as a parent I guess, just dont teach the rest of our kids. If you go to the lockerroms in your local swim pool or gym you will see tons of dicks around, how is that not indecent? They should all have their own little box to be naked it, and be fully clothed otherwise right? Many tribes in africa not affected by modern media actually go around naked and they have no fucking problem with it, because they don't have some twisted view that sexuality needs to be suppressed. Children there run around seeing adults naked all around them all the time and its not a problem. If you at every opportunity punish people for being nude and masturbating you are putting it into childrens heads that its bad, in particular a lot of teenage girls in society feel shameful for masturbating and it takes a toll on their mentalhealth, many chose not to do it because of that shame and the impressions they get that its wrong, this cases a ton of mentalhealth issues for teenage girls, guys are affected as well but to a much lesser degree, as guys have a very strong physical need to masturbate, compared to girls who have a much stronger emotional need for it. A lot of grown ups are like you, affected by societies suppression of sexuality, which causes a lot of harm.
So do you want to live in a society where it is okay for everyone to be naked? Be our guest. Also about that societies suppression of sexuality... sexuallity is all over the fucking place in our society. You have girls expressing there sexuality in grade 6 and 7 now days thanks to our media. Sex is everywhere in your face all the time. You have fucking titty bars, hookers, porn on your computer can you at least keep your dick in your pants while your out on the street? It has also led to us objectifying women. Just look at the fucked up porn that exists and what the womens roll is in these films.. you watch enough of that shit and it will probably harm you a lot fucking more then "societies supression of sexuality" I think those people that go home and have the urge to masterbate and look at porn all night have fucking bigger problems then people who fear masterbating. Im not saying masterbation is wrong but with all the sexuality our society is exposed to and since porn has basically gone mainstream it has become compolsion for a lot of people which harms there social life and ability to actually talk to girls. I dont know if I went off on a tangent here but my point was that no our society is not fucking supressing sexuality, for me its become over sexualized. There has to be a balance though there are societies that supress it to much but it definetiliy isnt us in the west, we fucking oversexualize shit.
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I picture a guy going to a deserted beach, then walking around for hours till he sees someone, to then do his thing.
You not only should have a decent expectency of privacy in this case, you should be obligated to take precautions and make sure that noone else sees you. That is the most reasonable way to go about this.
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On October 01 2013 00:58 ChoiSulli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 00:14 NTTemplar wrote:On October 01 2013 00:06 ChoiSulli wrote:On September 30 2013 23:47 KwarK wrote:On September 30 2013 23:44 Musicus wrote:On September 30 2013 23:34 KwarK wrote:On September 30 2013 23:33 Musicus wrote:On September 30 2013 23:24 KwarK wrote:On September 30 2013 23:20 Musicus wrote:
I can understand how this guy was acquitted, but this can under no circumtances mean that it's generally ok to masturbate in public. What if children are at the scene? It should only be allowed in areas where no children are allowed if anything. At all costs we must keep children from learning they have genitals. That needs to be our number one priority going into legislature. I don't know why you quoted me to express your opinion, but I don't agree with you. I think we need to educate children and be open about topics like this. But that has nothing to do with masturbating in public. Educate children about how masturbation is so shameful that if you do it where anyone could potentially see you're a criminal! People must really hate having discussions. You just keep putting words in my mouth and I will not lower myself to this level. Let's stop right here. Have a nice day. You are arguing that there needs to be a law against masturbation in public because a child could passively see it (passively because if the child is intended to see it then it's covered by the law) and you think something bad will come of the child seeing it. You didn't make it clear what bad thing you thought would happen if they learned that sometimes people rub their genitals so I made a guess, maybe you should clear that up. What bad thing do you think will happen if a child sees someone masturbating? im pretty sure you are trolling.... but how about cause its fucking indecent and most people dont want to live in a society where you can take your dick out in public. Im sorry KWARK but if you want that, then I would want you in jail and I think as a society we made it clear that shit is wrong. I dont want a 6 year old kid walking down the street seeing that shit and think it is okay...what bad comes of it? I dunno maybe the kid will then decide to take his dick out in his grade 1 class. Its not just kids though most grown ups believe it or not dont wanna see you KWARK stroking your dick in public. If you want to stroke your dick at home in front of your kids to teach em its okay to rub your genitals sometimes that is your right as a parent I guess, just dont teach the rest of our kids. If you go to the lockerroms in your local swim pool or gym you will see tons of dicks around, how is that not indecent? They should all have their own little box to be naked it, and be fully clothed otherwise right? Many tribes in africa not affected by modern media actually go around naked and they have no fucking problem with it, because they don't have some twisted view that sexuality needs to be suppressed. Children there run around seeing adults naked all around them all the time and its not a problem. If you at every opportunity punish people for being nude and masturbating you are putting it into childrens heads that its bad, in particular a lot of teenage girls in society feel shameful for masturbating and it takes a toll on their mentalhealth, many chose not to do it because of that shame and the impressions they get that its wrong, this cases a ton of mentalhealth issues for teenage girls, guys are affected as well but to a much lesser degree, as guys have a very strong physical need to masturbate, compared to girls who have a much stronger emotional need for it. A lot of grown ups are like you, affected by societies suppression of sexuality, which causes a lot of harm. So do you want to live in a society where it is okay for everyone to be naked? Be our guest. Also about that societies suppression of sexuality... sexuallity is all over the fucking place in our society. You have girls expressing there sexuality in grade 6 and 7 now days thanks to our media. Sex is everywhere in your face all the time. You have fucking titty bars, hookers, porn on your computer can you at least keep your dick in your pants while your out on the street? It has also led to us objectifying women. Just look at the fucked up porn that exists and what the womens roll is in these films.. you watch enough of that shit and it will probably harm you a lot fucking more then "societies supression of sexuality" I think those people that go home and have the urge to masterbate and look at porn all night have fucking bigger problems then people who fear masterbating. Im not saying masterbation is wrong but with all the sexuality our society is exposed to and since porn has basically gone mainstream it has become compolsion for a lot of people which harms there social life and ability to actually talk to girls. I dont know if I went off on a tangent here but my point was that no our society is not fucking supressing sexuality, for me its become over sexualized. There has to be a balance though there are societies that supress it to much but it definetiliy isnt us in the west, we fucking oversexualize shit.
I'm not sure what your issue with hardcore pornography is. It can, and is, enjoyed by healthy men and women. There is nothing mutually exclusive about bondage sodomy threesomes and a loving healthy relationship. As long as all parties freely consent to everything and no harm is being done then let people be happy with their sexual expression.
Honestly I feel most of the damaging results of sex result from shame and repression.
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On October 01 2013 00:52 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 00:51 Godwrath wrote:On October 01 2013 00:46 Thalandros wrote:On September 30 2013 23:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Should totally me legal, good change.
I think that if you are intentionally showing your dong to passerbys it's too much... But I see no issue masturbating in a public bathroom, outside in a field, movie theatre, or just anywhere where your penis/vagina is not exposed to many people who don't want to seewhere
Now that we are in a day and age where everyone is always busy, you should not be required to receive your secure release late in the evening when you're home. I hope other countries follow suit. I actually completely agree with this. People interpret this a lot as actually doing it publicly, but obviously people that are going to do it in those places were going to anyway - I think this is a good rule, in this day and age. I personally can't say I'm much of a fan, but if you're alone and there's nobody in a certain radius around you - Do what you need to do. Maybe because the old dude, was on the beach, at the water's edge. Most of the coastline in England is deserted. If it were a crowded beach frequented by children during daytime in the Summer holidays I'd be happy concluding he wanted to be seen and I suspect most courts would decide the same.
But aren't doing it in the open, an act of voyeurism?
You have to ask yourself why do it in a public place where people or children could easily walk in on you, like in this case. He didn't do a good job of finding a place where nobody could see him. Because you would think he would find it embarrassing if somebody saw him right? Since he has no intention of people seeing him according to court. People like that do it because they like the danger of getting spotted.
Like the couple you talked about in the buss. They didn't do in there because if was comfortable, but because they liked the danger involved.
So why didn't he find a better spot...I still think this reeks of the excitement of public sex or voyeurism.
He/others will just keep using places where the odd chance of 1 or more will find him, and claim he didn't intent of doing so, because it wasn't a crowded beach.
Edit, stupid spelling etc
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On October 01 2013 00:44 Nightshake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 00:15 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:09 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 01 2013 00:03 KwarK wrote:On September 30 2013 23:59 TheRealArtemis wrote:On September 30 2013 23:55 KwarK wrote:On September 30 2013 23:51 FFW_Rude wrote:
If you see a guy through his window masterbating, this is voyeurism and you can be charged.
If a guy masterbate in the street and "forces you" (in a sens) to watch, it's public nudity and it's charged.
So basicly if i understand right, people are talking about removing the charging for people that masturbate in the street ? If you're doing it because you get off on people watching you it's still illegal because you're involving them. If you're just doing your own thing, not involving anyone, not harming anyone, who the fuck cares. Now I'm reasonably sure everyone deciding to do it on a street would be the first category but also that most people masturbating or fucking their girlfriends outside are the second category. There is no reason to make a blanket law against the acts themselves when you can distinguish between them. Because you can still walk in on them. Like I said in a previous post. Im just to accept having to watch people masturbate in nature while im running or walking my dog? or simply taking a stroll? They're forced to accept you walking your dog. That bizarre inter-species master slave relationship is way weirder than a guy touching his dick. Hell, bonobos masturbate but they don't keep pets. The difference is they're not trying to ban you walking your dog. If i replace the "walking the dog" by "talking a walk on myself" is that still apply ? I want to understand why you support this so vehemently. I think i'm missing something. Maybe i don't understand you very well  I don't understand why walking a dog in a forest is fine, walking alone in a forest is fine, having a picnic in a forest is fine, dressing up as a clown in a forest is fine but jacking it in a forest needs to be illegal because someone might see. Someone might see all of these things and yet they're not banned. It's only if you impart some hugely negative value judgement on masturbation that it makes any kind of sense and I just don't agree that it's especially harmful. Non-consensual sexual involvement should absolutely be illegal but it is so that's not the issue. People seem to be saying that just passively seeing it is so awful it must be illegal and I just don't see why. Freedom should be limited on the basis of harm. No, freedom shouldn't be limited on the basis of harm. Freedom should be limited to the respect on other people and the fact of living together in a peaceful society. The problem is that you're putting masturbation on the same level as dressing as a clown or walking the dog, which is absolutely not the same. The first one is a fact of clothes, that harms no one. The second one is absolutely normal and disturbs no one. Masturbating behind a tree is not disturbing too, that's true. But there is an ethic that is to not show it to people, because it's something that is only for you and no one else. Imagine if one of your parents, or one of your children would see you ? The problem is that they don't try to see you, you are in fault because you aren't in a private zone. Masturbating is something socially disturbing if it's shown to someone, and it must stay like that. I have nothing against masturbation as long as people don't suddenly consider masturbation as something absolutely normal that can be done anywhere.
The fact you call walking a dog normal and non disturbing but masturbating unnormal and disturbing is really weird to me.
Just proves how messed up our society is, many species of monkeys have sex with each other while the others are around, but they don't enslave other animals.
Masturbating is something the majority considers disturbing because that is what our society has turned into, you also think homosexuality should be illegal and women should not be allowed to show their face? societies in the middle east think so and are making rules based on it.
The way you are treating masturbation is no different from how the middle east is treating women and homosexuals.
If I walked in the woods and saw someone masturbate I wouldn't care, when I see a dog humping something I don't care, when I see dogs have sex in the street I don't care, if I walked in on one of my parents having sex I wouldn't care either, because its not a big deal.
I realize how normal it is, so it doesn't disturb me, what does disturb me is that societies want women to not show their faces in public, and that societies consider masturbation disturbing; both of those make me worry for the future.
Further, I do find naked men gross, but I also find pooping gross, sneezing gross, fat people gross, coughing gross, bad hygiene gross etc
Now sure, sneezing and pooping and coughing isn't something you control so we can exclude those, but should people with bad hygiene or overweight people be criminalized?
I am actually more grossed out by particularly bad breath than a man masturbating.
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On October 01 2013 01:03 TheRealArtemis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 00:52 KwarK wrote:On October 01 2013 00:51 Godwrath wrote:On October 01 2013 00:46 Thalandros wrote:On September 30 2013 23:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Should totally me legal, good change.
I think that if you are intentionally showing your dong to passerbys it's too much... But I see no issue masturbating in a public bathroom, outside in a field, movie theatre, or just anywhere where your penis/vagina is not exposed to many people who don't want to seewhere
Now that we are in a day and age where everyone is always busy, you should not be required to receive your secure release late in the evening when you're home. I hope other countries follow suit. I actually completely agree with this. People interpret this a lot as actually doing it publicly, but obviously people that are going to do it in those places were going to anyway - I think this is a good rule, in this day and age. I personally can't say I'm much of a fan, but if you're alone and there's nobody in a certain radius around you - Do what you need to do. Maybe because the old dude, was on the beach, at the water's edge. Most of the coastline in England is deserted. If it were a crowded beach frequented by children during daytime in the Summer holidays I'd be happy concluding he wanted to be seen and I suspect most courts would decide the same. But aren't doing it in the open, an act of voyeurism? You have to ask yourself why do it in a public place where people or children could easily walk in on you, like in this case. He didn't do a good job of finding a place where nobody could see him. Because you would think he would it embarrassing if somebody saw him right. Since he has no intention of people seeing him according to court. People like that do it because they like the danger of getting spotted. Like the couple you talked about in the buss. They didn't do in there because if was comfortable, but because they liked the danger involved. So why didn't he find a better spot...I still think this reeks of the excitement of public sex or voyeurism. He/others will just keep using places where the odd chance of 1 or more will find him, and claim he didn't intent of doing so, because it wasn't a crowded beach.
I'm sure if there emerges an ongoing issue of sex offenders gaming the system to get away with it and despite the pattern the law still cannot prove that they are targeting people then they'll reconsider it. But as it is it just allows people who didn't do any harm to not have their lives ruined by the label of a sex offender which I can't see as a bad thing.
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