Light and Flying retire - Page 14

On September 18 2013 09:36 larse wrote:


KeSPA team's retirement list since the last SPL (Green is retired and yellow is rumored to retire) (A few mistakes)

On September 18 2013 08:13 PerSe wrote:
Whatever your opinions on SC2 might be, it isn't an easier game than BW, because the skill cap is still ridiculously high and nobody will reach it. That it happens to be easier to macro doesn't make the game ezpz, it just means the skill differentiation occurs in other areas of game play.

Having said that, there are some problems with the way SC2 seems to play out, that makes it less appealing to watch. The economy system, the way the units clump up, the posturing deathballs and then 5 sec battle that decides the game...

On September 18 2013 06:59 DinoToss wrote:

It looks doom and has some merit to it, cause people like Light and Flying were still vital part of their teams despite being on an edge of retirement. No it's more like without them it's the big loss to the team. Its not the "they are dead weight" it's rather, they are old and washed out or want to go but we need them.

Before 1 year passes it will be known if Korean scene is that bad in terms of new blood or not. In BW it was pretty visible when old guards retired and new guards took(TBLS JangBi, Fanta, and other top a-taemers started showing results within 1 year of each other, mostly). Current SC2 look is clouded because of Korean scene split and background noise which is foreign scene, which makes it harder to pinpoint the generation changes, than it was in monotheistic Kespa BW scene.

The other thing i wanted to mention is that, and in the purist's way is even more important than name changes, new people coming in and out. It is gameplay changes (or rather setting the bar higher) that happen when new blood enter the stream. The only magical "TBLS" of SC2 are probaly the three great early heroes, and im afraid the last one too are the MVP, MC and Nestea (with DRG spin off). They happened early, they punched heavily and the end.

It is pretty important to notice the difference between BW TBLS era which (imo) not coincidental with last and most skillful era of BW. And 3 kings of SC2 which not(imo) coincidental with start of SC2 Korean Scene. For me (call me negative nancy) not much changed when 150 old and new dogs entered the already established SC2 scene(Enter the Kespa). Im really reluctant to believe even the favored new youngins (i believe in progamer year theory, because it correlates nicely within BW and SC2 history) will change much. Yes military will come and take people, people will get bored, etc. And those people will be replaced with younger ones, but that's not the change we seek.

Further delving into the subject will be too much of a dead horse critisicm of SC2(look last MC woes), not a great topic to do that so but amazing analogy came to my mind.

Lets look at Nada, the most fruitful in terms of longevity character in BW. He started as Boxer rival, engaged into micro battles on 1 base, he transitioned into Iloveoov-Savior times and discovered the macro, on his last stand vs JangBi in MSL he copied the Flash build.

On September 18 2013 09:49 Arco wrote:

Can you tell me about these other areas of skill differentiation? Decision making? Metagaming?

Macro, as you stated, is easier. Micro is also much easier. Those are two huge aspects of RTS fundamentals being easier. That means multitasking is also easier. How does that make the game harder? Mechanically it's very simple compared to StarCraft.

Not trying to say that StarCraft 2 is "easy," but comparing the mechanical difficulty of it to StarCraft it is obvious which is more difficult. It's not like StarCraft didn't have decision making or metagaming.

On September 18 2013 10:02 GTPGlitch wrote:


Please tell me how micro is easier in star2... Speaking as a Terran player, there is so much more that requires micro to minimize damage than in bw... Ghost vs ht, splitting vs colossi, splitting vs banes, splitting vs fungals, mitigating forcefields, rapid positioning and redeployment of widow mines while also splitting bio, and so on..

And everything dies quick and clumps easy, so micro becomes a lot more urgent and necessary in big fights

On September 18 2013 09:49 Arco wrote:

Can you tell me about these other areas of skill differentiation? Decision making? Metagaming?

Macro, as you stated, is easier. Micro is also much easier. Those are two huge aspects of RTS fundamentals being easier. That means multitasking is also easier. How does that make the game harder? Mechanically it's very simple compared to StarCraft.

Not trying to say that StarCraft 2 is "easy," but comparing the mechanical difficulty of it to StarCraft it is obvious which is more difficult. It's not like StarCraft didn't have decision making or metagaming.