EPTExcept for you know, Karlsson being made of swiss cheese.
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
Except for you know, Karlsson being made of swiss cheese. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 08 2014 21:53 Blisse wrote: Sweden's defence is kinda scary good. Except for you know, Karlsson being made of swiss cheese. Half their defense aren't as good as the worst defenseman on team Canada... | ||
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Flaccid
8917 Posts
On January 08 2014 13:15 QuanticHawk wrote: I really would love to see Edmonton become good again. Part because I feel I owe it as a Ranger fan for 94, and part because I'd love to see what Flaccid is like after a cup win I'm kind of at a crossroads where I find my love of the home team at odds with my spite towards the Kevin Lowe messiah complex. Maybe another few years of sucking will help shake free the remaining bandwagoners still hanging on from '06 and see Kevin Lowe and his 4000 Stanely Cup rings screwing up someone else's franchise. Then Taylor Hall can score 50 goals and the Oilers can win something. Playoffs? Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game. edit: Also, wheres Brodin on SWE? | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17702 Posts
On January 07 2014 12:02 Orcasgt24 wrote: Overall stats are all that matters when discussing "the greatest" Small stretches of games aren't as meaningful. Gretzky shone brightest in NHL regular season play. Gretzky is 14th all time game winning goals in the NHL regular season. He piled up a lot of points and goals with Hall of Famers for line mates in an era where scoring was sky high. Some guy claimed i stated "Gretzky is bad at hockey". Don't know where that came from. I'd like to clarify that here. Gretzky is a really good player, but not the greatest of all time. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
On January 09 2014 00:30 Flaccid wrote: Poor MSL. Wins the Art Ross and still can't get any respect. I don't understand how the argument can be made that Kunitz can make this team "even if he doesn't play with Crosby" when MSL is left at home while meanwhile continuing to light it up regardless of whether he is playing with Stamkos (others have already pointed out the inconsistency of these selections). Assholes. They just hate short people. I'm kind of at a crossroads where I find my love of the home team at odds with my spite towards the Kevin Lowe messiah complex. Maybe another few years of sucking will help shake free the remaining bandwagoners still hanging on from '06 and see Kevin Lowe and his 4000 Stanely Cup rings screwing up someone else's franchise. Then Taylor Hall can score 50 goals and the Oilers can win something. Playoffs? Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game. edit: Also, wheres Brodin on SWE? Seriously. MSL can play anywhere in that lineup with his skating ability and skill. Imagine him on open ice. Instead, they decided to take Kunitz for his ability to ride coattails and muck it up in corners... that extra room, the play will be moving the other way before he ever gets there now. I could see that pick making more sense on NHL rinks since his chemistry with Sid is largely built on his forechecking and corner play, but not on international ice. You would think they'd clean house after this disaster of a season. All that talent up front, and you're heading towards a lotto pick again. That D is a dumpster fire, and the goaltending play isn't exactly stellar. Which is surprising, because I thought Dubnyk was alright in light of how shitty the D was last year. | ||
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
On January 09 2014 01:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Gretzky shone brightest in NHL regular season play. Gretzky is 14th all time game winning goals in the NHL regular season. He piled up a lot of points and goals with Hall of Famers for line mates in an era where scoring was sky high. Some guy claimed i stated "Gretzky is bad at hockey". Don't know where that came from. I'd like to clarify that here. Gretzky is a really good player, but not the greatest of all time. The facts are: Mario might have been the GOAT, but health problems/injuries shortened his career. Bobby Orr might have been the GOAT, but he only played 7 seasons. You can argue Howe was as good (or better) than Gretzky, because both of them played full careers, and were heads and tails better than anyone they played against. I am not a really that big of a fan of Gretzky in all honesty, but to put him out of the top 2 of all time is just delusional. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17702 Posts
On January 09 2014 01:51 nikj wrote: Bobby Orr might have been the GOAT, but he only played 7 seasons. this stuff was covered by a link TankGirl provided to HFBoards .. its an interesting read. On January 09 2014 01:51 nikj wrote: Mario might have been the GOAT, but health problems/injuries shortened his career. Bobby Orr might have been the GOAT, but he only played 7 seasons. You can argue Howe was as good (or better) than Gretzky, because both of them played full careers, and were heads and tails better than anyone they played against. I am not a really that big of a fan of Gretzky in all honesty, but to put him out of the top 2 of all time is just delusional. problem is he is 14th in GWG. and is an offensive player with zero physical presence. he can't do what Larry Robinson or Mark Messier can do in many other areas of the game. Espo has 37 more GWGs in 200 less games because he could score goals in tough physical low scoring games. Did Espo fight all the time and run around intimidating people? No. What he did do was battle in the ugly areas for puck possession. Also, Phil Esposito's speeches are WAY WAY better than Wayne the Whiner's cry baby talk. Its kind of funny how all my favourite hockey players of all time are in that top 10 list of GWGs. | ||
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Flaccid
8917 Posts
1) Gretzky padded his stats in the regular season 2) Regular season doesn't matter 3) Gretzky's GWGs in the regular season weren't very high Therefore, by JJRLQ logic, Gretzky's weakness in a single stat during a portion of the year which doesn't matter disqualifies him from discussion. And he doesn't give great speeches. You can't make this shit up. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17702 Posts
Has KelianQatar ever said anything serious about analyzing Gretzky as the GOAT? Not that i've read. GWG's are more important than goals. Here is a stat for you: 16 of 21 teams make the playoffs ROFLMAO. What a great way to make the regular season have no meaning. Put every team in the playoffs. There is more to the game of hockey than piling up offensive stats. Its what you do when you do not have the puck. Gretzky was a very good player in many of those areas, but no where near as good as players like Bob Orr and Larry Robinson. Gretzky makes the most beautiful passes i've ever seen. Have you ever seen a Gretzky pass live? The spin he can put on the puck as it only touches the ice in 2 places... as it leaves his stick and as it nestles into the place where his team mates stick is pressed against the ice. The spin is just enough to dig the puck into the ice making it easier for the pass receiver to control the puck. Its just an incredible sight to see. He deserves consideration as the GOAT just based on passes that no one has ever done before or since. But, he is not the GOAT. He is also a big whiner. | ||
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
On January 09 2014 02:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote: GWG's are more important than goals. Here is a stat for you: 16 of 21 teams make the playoffs ROFLMAO. What a great way to make the regular season have no meaning. Put every team in the playoffs. "Wayne Gretzky holds or shares 61 NHL records: 40 for the regular season, 15 for the Stanley Cup playoffs and six for the NHL All-Star Game." I think this trumps the fact that his "GWGs" were less than stellar. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17702 Posts
Gretzky is the all time greatest whiner in the history of hockey. | ||
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Flaccid
8917 Posts
On January 09 2014 02:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Regular season doesn't matter And I'm going to continue to post about gretzky judging him solely on GWG during the regular season also he's a whiner and not that good speeches randy carlyle Yeah | ||
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
On January 09 2014 02:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote: please read the rest of my post above. Gretzky is the all time greatest whiner in the history of hockey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxxK9LPgwH4 I could give two shits about his personality. Personally I think he is a whiny bitch as well. Doesn't mean he isn't the GOAT. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17702 Posts
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
On January 09 2014 02:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote: You should check out the HFBoards debate on the GOAT. Its more informative. Nah, It's bad enough that I allowed myself to get into a pissing match with you. Though I am sure not too many people over there have Gretzky ranked 6th all time on their lists. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17702 Posts
avoiding information is a great policy for improving your knowledge of the game. i don't have a "list". | ||
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
On January 09 2014 02:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote: avoiding information is a great policy for improving your knowledge of the game. i don't have a "list". Oh right... that was "someone else" | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17702 Posts
On January 09 2014 01:51 nikj wrote: Bobby Orr might have been the GOAT, but he only played 7 seasons. You can argue Howe was as good (or better) than Gretzky, because both of them played full careers, and were heads and tails better than anyone they played against. I am not a really that big of a fan of Gretzky in all honesty, but to put him out of the top 2 of all time is just delusional. sry to pick ur stuff apart here. BUt, Orr won the Norris 8 years in a row. You can't do that in 7 seasons. Don't know how Orr won the Norris trophy 8 times in 7 seasons. Interesting that your error over states your point in favour of Wayne. Hockey-Reference.com ELO fan ratings put Orr above Gretzky. Orr doesn't think Gretzky is the GOAT either. i can see why some people think Orr is better than Gretzky. and i can see why some people think Gretzky is better than Orr. WHich is why the GOAT debate is so lively in every forum, Countless internet forums, sports talk radio... and hell, its even a great debate in the biographies and memoirs of NHL HOF'ers. A lot of people over 50 think its no contest between Orr and Gretzky. They go Orr all the way. | ||
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
On January 09 2014 03:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote: sry to pick ur stuff apart here. BUt, Orr won the Norris 8 years in a row. You can't do that in 7 seasons. Don't know how Orr won the Norris trophy 8 times in 7 seasons. Interesting that your error over states your point in favour of Wayne. Hockey-Reference.com ELO fan ratings put Orr above Gretzky. Orr doesn't think Gretzky is the GOAT either. i can see why some people think Orr is better than Gretzky. and i can see why some people think Gretzky is better than Orr. WHich is why the GOAT debate is so lively in every forum, Countless internet forums, sports talk radio... and hell, its even a great debate in the biographies and memoirs of NHL HOF'ers. A lot of people over 50 think its no contest between Orr and Gretzky. They go Orr all the way. Yep Orr was amazing, didn't go ahead and double check his season total, for some reason 7 stood out in my mind. I believe Orr easily would have been GOAT if he played 12-15 seasons. The fact that he is in the discussion with such a short career is remarkable. Same goes for Mario, if you look at his ppg totals later in his years (after his comeback) they are much better than gretzky's post 35 years old. Fact is he didn't play enough seasons. imo the only person you can argue that was better than Gretzky is Howe. Orr and Mario while amazing players, don't have a large enough body of work to lay claim to the GOAT title. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On January 08 2014 21:58 GolemMadness wrote: Half their defense aren't as good as the worst defenseman on team Canada... mmm, I see only Talinder who is worse than Hamhuis. Everyone else is better. | ||
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