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On January 08 2014 02:58 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 02:48 Flaccid wrote:
I agree with your subs, except I'd leave Bergeron over Thornton and either over Marleau.
I'd also pick Bernier over Smith. yea thornton on a big ice surface would be pretty disastrous imo, not to mention that he was by far canadas worst player 4 years ago i find it interesting that bobby ryan didnt make team usa due to his "lack of intensity" but rick nash was good enough to make team canada
nash did pretty well last go round did he not?? also bergeron didnt exactly light the world on fire in 10.
thornton is very very solid defensively, skates fine, can play very physically offensively or defensively, and can actually produce offense regularly at a ppg clip. i really struggle to think of anything bergeron brings that he doesnt. he hasnt been below 53% on draws since 07-08 and has been as high as 58. if someone in the top 6 goes down, he has the ability to play there or play in the bottom six. That makes no sense.
MSL even moreso, esp when you consider they pretty much took Kuntiz to play in the top 6 over the reigning mvp.
and yeah, I agree about Bernier over smith. Really any of the in consideration guys would be better than smith.
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On January 08 2014 03:30 xDaunt wrote:
Eh, most of this criticism is minor quibbling. This Team Canada roster is still more talented than anything that any other country will be able to put together.
We could bring 2 teams and both could go very deep. Look at what Canada's "B" team could be:
Taylor Hall - Claude Giroux - Jordan Eberle
Logan Couture- Joe Thornton - Martin St-Louis
Jeff Skinner - Eric Staal - James Neal
Milan Lucic - Tyler Seguin - Jarome Iginla
Kris Letang - Brent Seabrook
Dion Phaneuf - Marc Staal
Mark Giordano - Dan Boyle
Brian Campbell - François Bauchemin
Corey Crawford - Marc-André Fleury - Josh Harding
something like that.
That is still pretty impressive
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On January 08 2014 03:24 nikj wrote:
I can understand people being upset with the Nash pick, however I feel like he will make an impact on this team during the Olympics. But we'll see...
I bet you 10 000 billions esports dollars that he will be hurt before the tourney begins. so his impact will be leaving his place to St-Louis. or so I hope.
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Picking teammates isn't something new. Chemistry is important and having guys on the same line that play together alot helps. Its why I'm not shocked Kunitz is in.
Same reason I am shocked MSL aint on Team Canada though.
I really thought Hall had a chance. The kid has speed to burn and is a top teir left winger. Maybe someone gets hurt and we can go
Team Russia:
Goalies
Sergei Bobrovsky, Semyon Varlamov, Alexander Yeryomenko
Defense
Anton Belov, Alexei Emelin, Andrei Markov, Evgeny Medvedev, Nikita Nikitin, Ilya Nikulin, Fedor Tyutin, Slava Voynov
Forwards
Artem Anisimov, Pavel Datsyuk, Denis Kokarev, Ilya Kovalchuk, Nikolai Kulemin, Evgeni Malkin, Valeri Nichushkin, Alex Ovechkin, Alexander Popov, Alexander Radulov, Sergei Soin, Vladimir Tarasenko, Alexei Tereshenko, Viktor Tikhonov
Poor Yakupov. Takes a shit kicking in Edmonton from the media and gets left behind for some KHL guys no ones heard of. No Semin either
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Yakupov didnt really have a chance i don't think to make Russia.. Russia has always made a point to add in a good amount of KHL because they believe KHL is as good as the NHL
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I love how most people didn't even have Hamhuis on their bubble for making the team. He's one of the best and most reliable defensive players in the league, and always makes his defensive partner better as well.
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On January 08 2014 04:44 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 02:58 TT1 wrote:On January 08 2014 02:48 Flaccid wrote:
I agree with your subs, except I'd leave Bergeron over Thornton and either over Marleau.
I'd also pick Bernier over Smith. yea thornton on a big ice surface would be pretty disastrous imo, not to mention that he was by far canadas worst player 4 years ago i find it interesting that bobby ryan didnt make team usa due to his "lack of intensity" but rick nash was good enough to make team canada nash did pretty well last go round did he not?? also bergeron didnt exactly light the world on fire in 10. thornton is very very solid defensively, skates fine, can play very physically offensively or defensively, and can actually produce offense regularly at a ppg clip. i really struggle to think of anything bergeron brings that he doesnt. he hasnt been below 53% on draws since 07-08 and has been as high as 58. if someone in the top 6 goes down, he has the ability to play there or play in the bottom six. That makes no sense. MSL even moreso, esp when you consider they pretty much took Kuntiz to play in the top 6 over the reigning mvp. and yeah, I agree about Bernier over smith. Really any of the in consideration guys would be better than smith.
i would rather have bergeron on a big ice surface. of the 2 hes the better skater, better pk'er, better faceoff man and he's arguably the best 2 way player in the game. i think he fills the 4th line center role much better than thornton does. sure thornton is the better offensive player but i dont think anyone would put him in an offensive role for team canada due to his skating. if one of our offensive centers were to get injured they'd just replace them with either tavares or stamkos (im assuming theyre both are gonna play on the wing seeing as crosby-toews-getzslaf-bergeron should be our centers)
as for nash, yea he played really well 4 years ago but so did dany heatley. imo it really isnt fair to pick nash over someone like msl just because of his performance 4 years ago. msl is such a solid all around player and nash has been playing horribly this year
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i like how team canada went about making the roster tho. they decided to go with players that have chemistry together over picking star players, that takes some balls to do. the kunitz pick is growing on me because he not only has chemistry with crosby but hes also played with perry and getzslaf. our top 3 lines are basically gonna consist of 2 teammates + a player who compliments them really well. i kinda think thats why they picked hamhuis over someone like seabrook too, on top of being a left shot hes ex-teammates with weber, wouldn't be surprised if they paired them up
this is how my roster looks like:
Consensus 1st line:
Kunitz + Crosby + Stamkos (stamkos acts as the lines sniper obv, compliments crosby)
2nd/3rd lines: (in no particular order)
Sharp + Toews + Tavares (tavares adds an elite lvl scorers touch to toews and sharps solid 2way play)
Duchene (duchene adds speed to the line) + Getzslaf + Perry
Checking/Defensively responsible line/PK'ers
Benn (no chance im putting nash ahead of benn in a checking role, marleau works too) + Bergeron + Carter
+Nash, Marleau
Defense:
Keith-Doughty
Hamhuis-Weber
Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo
Subban (PP specialist prolly, might work his way into the top 6)
+Vlasic
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Has Sweden posted their roster? If Lundquist plays like he normally plays they should be easily in the medal round and then its just one lucky bounce either way. If he plays like he played this year its between Can/US. Russia has no defensemen. Hamhuis is going to win a medal because he's a left handed mutant.
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On January 07 2014 02:00 Flaccid wrote:Also, the worst thing that could have ever happened to Taylor Hall is being drafted by the Oilers. Poor guy. Coulda been a Bruin. He's only the 2nd most productive LW in the NHL, and will likely not even be considered for the Olympics. ![[image loading]](http://lowetide.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/5x5-per-60-nhl.png)
thats true of every player drafted by the Oilers in the last 5 years. They are going to never win anything, and they are going to lose the chance to learn how to play 2 way hockey AND their confidence is going to be shattered. The oiler destruction of Canada's young talent is really going to catch up at the 2018 Olympics.
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On January 08 2014 12:16 Sub40APM wrote:
Has Sweden posted their roster? If Lundquist plays like he normally plays they should be easily in the medal round and then its just one lucky bounce either way. If he plays like he played this year its between Can/US. Russia has no defensemen. Hamhuis is going to win a medal because he's a left handed mutant.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/D9TlYoG.jpg)
Edmonton can't buy a penalty. Yakupov gets smacked in the face with a stick shortly after Perron gets his feet dragged out from under him. Eberle gets slew footed at the blue line next play
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I really would love to see Edmonton become good again. Part because I feel I owe it as a Ranger fan for 94, and part because I'd love to see what Flaccid is like after a cup win
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On January 08 2014 13:15 QuanticHawk wrote:
I really would love to see Edmonton become good again. Part because I feel I owe it as a Ranger fan for 94, and part because I'd love to see what Flaccid is like after a cup win
I'm from Edmonton so I would like this as well haha
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Really, really like Canada's team. We definitely picked the right defensemen and I think Smith was the right choice as our third in net over someone like Fleury (who's been disastrous in how many post seasons again? and only has a padded reg season because of his conference and team) or Bernier, who I wouldn't feel as confident with in net playing against top oppositions given what I've seen with him for the Leafs (though he's still good enough that I would take him over Fleury).
I would have definitely taken Hall over Kunitz, but I guess his speed was mitigated by his bad defense and Kunitz's chemistry with Sid so whatevs. Other than that, I'm fine with Nash, Carter and Marleau.
Nash is a great two-way player with size and speed, he's been clutch for Canada in the past, including on big ice and I think he brings a good leadership/veteran mind to the team. Not to mention, it's scary facing off against Rick motherfucking Nash, so I'd like to give him points for his intimidation factor and his ability to shut down lines like he did in 2010 (hopefully he gets back into that mode this time around, too).
Carter is another phenomal big and speedy two-way guy who's versatile enough to play any forward position and can help dominate special teams, so I Iike that choice, too. And I guess Canada chose Marleau for the big ice because he's another good clutch two-way player with size and speed, similar to Nash, who also has good leadership and is a veteran, but I wouldn't have minded a great play-maker veteran like Thornton even though he might be a bad choice for a big ice surface.
And I agree with TT1 on Bergeron, not to mention that he's the definition of clutch (still make's me sad thinking about game 7 with the Leafs and Boston last season  ) and what you need in these one-game elimination tournaments.
All in all, I'm happy with the selection and it looks like this team was built in mind with a big ice surface and one game elimination format so I guess we'll have to wait and see if it pays off. 
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On January 08 2014 12:49 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 12:16 Sub40APM wrote:
Has Sweden posted their roster? If Lundquist plays like he normally plays they should be easily in the medal round and then its just one lucky bounce either way. If he plays like he played this year its between Can/US. Russia has no defensemen. Hamhuis is going to win a medal because he's a left handed mutant. Edmonton can't buy a penalty. Yakupov gets smacked in the face with a stick shortly after Perron gets his feet dragged out from under him. Eberle gets slew footed at the blue line next play
As someone who's watched Perron for years, I'm pretty sure that was a dive.
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On January 08 2014 12:49 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 12:16 Sub40APM wrote:
Has Sweden posted their roster? If Lundquist plays like he normally plays they should be easily in the medal round and then its just one lucky bounce either way. If he plays like he played this year its between Can/US. Russia has no defensemen. Hamhuis is going to win a medal because he's a left handed mutant. Edmonton can't buy a penalty. Yakupov gets smacked in the face with a stick shortly after Perron gets his feet dragged out from under him. Eberle gets slew footed at the blue line next play
damn thats a good looking team. If Edler and Lundquist go back to their historical forms it looks good enough to take Canada.
But no Hedman? Edler the cripple in? Ernstorm turned them down?
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Enström turned them down. Tallinder should be out and Hedman in, but Hedman has been super lame whenever he has played for team Sweden. He was essentially the scapegoat of every game last WC. Jimmie Eriksson I guess is a token pick to have atleast one SHL player, plenty of better grinders i nthe NHL to pick from. Alfie pick also shaky since the coach said he will only be there to play PP. Think you could have used that spot better.
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Too much politics in hockey. Nations should just send the best possible team. Regardless of where those players play.
Gold > appeasing someone
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The two biggest snubs are Hudler and Vrbata. Instead they have players like Roman Cervenka, Nedved, Jiri Novotny, Ondrej Palat, Sobotka and Michalek? I mean...?
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