EPTThe 2014 NHL Season - Two Accounts, No Cups - Page 86
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kroko
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
guess mine is not so bad after all  | ||
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Flaccid
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thread jimmyjraynor talks about how gretzky is bad at hockey | ||
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Flaccid
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He's only the 2nd most productive LW in the NHL, and will likely not even be considered for the Olympics. ![[image loading]](http://lowetide.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/5x5-per-60-nhl.png) | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On January 07 2014 02:00 Flaccid wrote: Also, the worst thing that could have ever happened to Taylor Hall is being drafted by the Oilers. Poor guy. Coulda been a Bruin. He's only the 2nd most productive LW in the NHL, and will likely not even be considered for the Olympics. Mike Babcock has said he wants the best players in the natural positions. So that will give Taylor Hall a chance since hes one of the best left wingers in Canada | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
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KelianQatar
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On January 07 2014 01:17 Flaccid wrote: in this thread jimmyjraynor talks about how gretzky is bad at hockey This thread has at least 1 poster who cannot read. Raynor stated that he agreed with Bobby Orr who said that Gretzky is not the best hockey player of all time. How does that translates to "Gretzky is bad at hockey" ? I guess Bobby Orr is a complete and total idiot for thinking Gord Howe is the greatest player of all time. The HFBoards have a much healthier debate on this topic. I highly recommend it to those of you who can read and are not just here trolling. http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showpost.php?p=27728676&postcount=270 | ||
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Flaccid
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
Gretzky avoided all that stuff because doing it would harm his ability to score. It would have shortened his career. Why anyone wants to do those things is a mystery. Look at the Blackhawks. They are second last in hits delivered, 21st in shots blocked, have the 3rd fewest major penalties and are first place in the NHL. If George Parros could do what Gretzky could with a puck he would never ever fight anyone. | ||
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Flaccid
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
Gretzky was amazing but he also played in a time when scores were hyper inflated when compared to other generations. Then you also have to factor in different positions such as goaltenders and defensemen who have entirely different criteria to judge. Its really not as cut and dry issue as some people are claiming. | ||
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lamprey1
Canada919 Posts
Hockey at its highest level is The NHL Playoffs, 1972/1976/1981/1984/1987/1991/1996/2004 Canada Cup/World Cup, 1998/2002/2006/2010 Olympics. Gretzky was #1 in NHL REGULAR SEASON GOALS in an era where 16 or 21 teams made the playoffs. Gretzky was #14 over all in game winning goals. Gretzky filled the net in lopsided meaningless regular season games. Mario Lemieux was absolutely god awful during the regular season. Come play off time. Mario Lemieux turned it on and became the greatest man alive. Gretzky was silenced during long stretches of the NHL playoffs in a way Orr, Lemieux, and even Larry Robinson never were. Over all Gretzky was a really good playoff performer, but not the "greatest of all time". In international play Gretzky's top speed was barely passable. In international play "The Great One" could never accomplilsh and "end to end rush" a la Bob Orr or Peter Mahavolich, or Larry Robinson because of his speed issues. Despite his speed problems Gretzky made passes no one on the planet could putting just the right spin on the puck that it would nestle right into his team mates stick and dig just a bit into the ice. Gretzky deserves a lot of credit for that. Mario Lemieux was god awful during the regular season. I went with my uncle to a game at Maple Leaf Gardens where Mario Lemieux never, and i mean NEVER went inside his own blue line. When the Leafs had the puck in pittsburgh's end Mario was doing tight figure 8s at center ice. Come play off time. Mario Lemieux turned it on and became the greatest hockey player this planet has ever seen. My Top 6. 1. Mario Lemieux 2. Bobby Orr 3. Gord Howe 4. Mark Messier 5. Larry Robinson 6. Wayne Gretzky Just below this top 6 is half the 1970s Montreal Canadiens roster. Guys like Guy Lapointe, Serge Savard, the road runner, the flower etc. | ||
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
On January 07 2014 11:30 lamprey1 wrote: The NHL Regular Season is hardly a measuring stick for hockey played at the highest level. Hockey at its highest level is The NHL Playoffs, 1972/1976/1981/1984/1987/1991/1996/2004 Canada Cup/World Cup, 1998/2002/2006/2010 Olympics. Gretzky was #1 in NHL REGULAR SEASON GOALS in an era where 16 or 21 teams made the playoffs. Gretzky was #14 over all in game winning goals. Gretzky filled the net in lopsided meaningless regular season games. Mario Lemieux was absolutely god awful during the regular season. Come play off time. Mario Lemieux turned it on and became the greatest man alive. Gretzky was silenced during long stretches of the NHL playoffs in a way Orr, Lemieux, and even Larry Robinson never were. Over all Gretzky was a really good playoff performer, but not the "greatest of all time". In international play Gretzky's top speed was barely passable. In international play "The Great One" could never accomplilsh and "end to end rush" a la Bob Orr or Peter Mahavolich, or Larry Robinson because of his speed issues. Despite his speed problems Gretzky made passes no one on the planet could putting just the right spin on the puck that it would nestle right into his team mates stick and dig just a bit into the ice. Gretzky deserves a lot of credit for that. Mario Lemieux was god awful during the regular season. I went with my uncle to a game at Maple Leaf Gardens where Mario Lemieux never, and i mean NEVER went inside his own blue line. When the Leafs had the puck in pittsburgh's end Mario was doing tight figure 8s at center ice. Come play off time. Mario Lemieux turned it on and became the greatest hockey player this planet has ever seen. My Top 6. 1. Mario Lemieux 2. Bobby Orr 3. Gord Howe 4. Mark Messier 5. Larry Robinson 6. Wayne Gretzky Just below this top 6 is half the 1970s Montreal Canadiens roster. Hahahahaha | ||
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lamprey1
Canada919 Posts
learn to love it. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On January 07 2014 11:30 lamprey1 wrote: The NHL Regular Season is hardly a measuring stick for hockey played at the highest level. Hockey at its highest level is The NHL Playoffs, 1972/1976/1981/1984/1987/1991/1996/2004 Canada Cup/World Cup, 1998/2002/2006/2010 Olympics. Gretzky was #1 in NHL REGULAR SEASON GOALS in an era where 16 or 21 teams made the playoffs. Gretzky was #14 over all in game winning goals. Gretzky filled the net in lopsided meaningless regular season games. Mario Lemieux was absolutely god awful during the regular season. Come play off time. Mario Lemieux turned it on and became the greatest man alive. Gretzky was silenced during long stretches of the NHL playoffs in a way Orr, Lemieux, and even Larry Robinson never were. Over all Gretzky was a really good playoff performer, but not the "greatest of all time". On January 02 2014 12:53 Orcasgt24 wrote: Your right. The stanley cup is awarded during the playoff so lets look at Gretzkys playoff stats: 208GP(15th) 122G(1st), 260A(1st), 382P(1st),34PPG (T-3rd) 11 SHG (2nd), 24 GWG (T-1st), 3 OTG(T-10). Hate having to repeat myself How does a player averaging just short of 2 ppg get silenced for long stretches? Is 2 periods a long scoring drought these days? Gretzky has better numbers than ANYONE EVER IN HISTORY. Yes his most productive time was with a stupid good Oilers dynasty during an era when 7-0 leads were not safe yet he massively out produced everyone during that time. He has more career assists (reg and playoffs combined) then any other player has points. He won scoring titles by as much as 74 points. Won it 6 years in a row. | ||
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lamprey1
Canada919 Posts
On January 07 2014 11:39 Orcasgt24 wrote: Hate having to repeat myself How does a player averaging just short of 2 ppg get silenced for long stretches? Is 2 periods a long scoring drought these days? all u do is repeat stats? 1983 Stanley Cup Finals. Gretzky silenced. Read what Lowe and Gretz said about why it happened. plenty of top hockey minds think Howe > Gretzky not just Bob Orr. Also, Orr himself won't "rate himself" in his own list. A defenseman like Orr can control the pace and tempo of a game in a way a forward never could. Which is why Orr > Gretzky. | ||
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nikj
Canada669 Posts
On January 07 2014 11:36 lamprey1 wrote: Howe > Gretzky learn to love it. You can argue that if you want, but putting "The Great One" 6th on any self respecting hockey fans list is laughable. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
Gretzky's method of controlling the tempo was different from Orr's. He always had the puck and made everyone around him a dangerous player. His ability to make tape to tape passes through traffic to players is unmatched and why he has so many career assists. When #99 had the puck behind the net the play slowed down he ended up having more time to do his magic then anyone realized. His job wasn't to skate the puck out of his zone, it was the get the pass from his defense men on the way out of the zone. Orr MIGHT be the best defencemen of all time but saying hes the best player ever is simply wrong. And listing 99 as 6th on that list is laughable | ||
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
 So hard to read it these days because I think there is only 2-3 people just responding on different accounts arguing... Plz stop it! | ||
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