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On March 23 2013 08:52 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 08:42 Scaramanga wrote:On March 23 2013 07:45 Gorsameth wrote:On March 23 2013 07:42 Scaramanga wrote:On March 23 2013 07:27 Gorsameth wrote:On March 23 2013 07:22 Scaramanga wrote:On March 23 2013 03:14 Kapeselus wrote:
I really feel like sharing some personal experiences here as I've also been quite sceptical.
I think Rob's closing words were very important. I'm by no means a card game person. I never got into any games like that and having tried some as a kid, I found myself as detached from the genre as it gets. As a die hard BW and SCII fan I tried Hearthstone, as many of us here at Blizzard have, and it's taken me by surprise. I've been completely amazed by how fun it's been to play and how deeply strategic it is. A lot of people here internally have gotten really into it and most people I've talked to haven't even bought any packs yet.
So I guess my personal message would be: seeing the game first doesn't fully translate into playing and experiencing it first hand. Try it out when you get a chance, cause you might just be as surprised by how fun it is, as I have been since first trying it.
/edit: typo ^^ This is pretty funny, thanks for the laugh Mr blizzard guy Someone has a different opinion of me! better ridicule him. He played it he liked it. Why would that make him a "Blizzard" guy? I'll let you take that back if you want Why would i want to take it back. sure i missed where he said he works there but how does it invalidate his opinion? He says it was much more fun then expected and urges us to try it. Heck its going to be free to play so its not even going to cost you money to try it. I know better throw him under a bus to be sure his hilarious opinion isn't infectious. Surely you're not this blind. He has a conflict of interests being a blizzard employee, his opinions about a game his studio worked on should be taken within a grain of salt. Also the game may be free to play but it has pay to win mechanics. Again do you know the game is bad and no fun? have you played it? Do you know there is no way to gain cards without spending money? He is saying we should give it a chance. A chance that doesn't cost money. The amount of "the sky is falling" "blizzard has sold us out" "omg another shit game" in this thread is beyond silly for a game that isn't even in beta yet. You don't like it fine, people have different opinions but that doesn't mean anyone who says otherwise needs to be crucified.
You're missing the point completely. I'm not undermining his opinion because it differs from mine, I'm completely disreguarding it because of his background. Again, it is a conflict of interest, I'm not sure if you understand what this means.
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If they put this on the android then it will seem like a good hit because right now it seems very casual on the go play
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On March 23 2013 00:15 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:06 Zandar wrote:
You can like cardgames or not.
But a new blizzard game deserves a better OP on TL than the current one. There will probably be a new OP just for discussing the game itself. This thread is indicative of how the community feels about the announcement, which is accurate. Many of us feel the exact same way as the OP- hugely disappointed.
Many of us, not all of us.
Since when is TL about what the majority likes. Go to reddit for that. Not to the site who promoted Broodwar way past what the majority liked.
I'm exited about any new card game.
And this one is from blizzard!!! <3
Fuck this OP.
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I wouldn't say it's pay to win. It's probably more like LoL's microtransaction system where you could pay real money to buy card packs to save yourself some time rather than grind out packs from playing games. But you could still get the same card collection from just playing the game a lot.
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On March 23 2013 09:34 Attica wrote:
I wouldn't say it's pay to win. It's probably more like LoL's microtransaction system where you could pay real money to buy card packs to save yourself some time rather than grind out packs from playing games. But you could still get the same card collection from just playing the game a lot.
The irony is that most TCGs are by nature "Pay2Win", so it really makes no sense to complain about it or think Blizzard is selling out or something if that ends up to be true. It's not like PC games that used to not have microtransactions until now. Just the fact that a big portion of the game may be free is a step backwards from the "Pay2Win" system, if you can even call it that way for TCGs.
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On March 23 2013 10:03 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 09:34 Attica wrote:
I wouldn't say it's pay to win. It's probably more like LoL's microtransaction system where you could pay real money to buy card packs to save yourself some time rather than grind out packs from playing games. But you could still get the same card collection from just playing the game a lot. The irony is that most TCGs are by nature "Pay2Win", so it really makes no sense to complain about it or think Blizzard is selling out or something if that ends up to be true. It's not like PC games that used to not have microtransactions until now. Just the fact that a big portion of the game may be free is a step backwards from the "Pay2Win" system, if you can even call it that way for TCGs.
The normal nature of Pay2Win TCG is imo a big opportunity for blizzard tho. Buy making cards grindable you give the option for people to play without paying and then entice them ingame to spend bits here and there its a system many f2p games nowadays use and it shows that people spend tons of money regardless.
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Blizzard be smoking some powerful ganja if they want to make a card game better than magic
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Personally I'm pretty excited to try this, especially as I'd love to play on my iPad. Hope I get into Beta w/e it opens up to try it out.
I shouldn't be surprised as I've kinda come to expect it, but wow at all the butt-hurt ppl or the ppl who are fooling themselves this is somehow an April Fools joke. When I now see the words "I've given up on/lost faith in Blizzard" in someones post I just can't take the rest seriously as that just screams Internet Elite-ism to me. I can understand if this type of game doesn't appeal to you, but a lot of posts remind me of 5 year olds throwing temper tantrums when their mom wont buy them a candy bar.
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On March 23 2013 09:34 Attica wrote:
I wouldn't say it's pay to win. It's probably more like LoL's microtransaction system where you could pay real money to buy card packs to save yourself some time rather than grind out packs from playing games. But you could still get the same card collection from just playing the game a lot.
Both LoL and Hearthstone are pay to get the quickest access to the best spells/heroes/cards, so it's pay to win. Because it makes it easier to win if you pay.
Basically, pay to win with a "power cap".
It's not as bad as, say, D3 where you can directly buy the best items for real money or a game where you can buy exclusive and powerful items for real money. But that just says it's pay to win, rather than the very worse form of pay to win.
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This will probably be the first game from Blizzard I won't play since 1995. I know looks will be subject to updates, but from the currently released videos, it looks just like an April Fools...and besides, the market for this stuff is already saturated, it seems.
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I am really excited about this. Did anyone here ever play that WWF With Authority online card game several years ago? I was a huge fan of that, it had the best gameplay by far of any card game I've ever tried, and I was disappointed that it never got as popular as it deserved to be.
Online card games have huge potential if the gameplay is good and it's fun to play... though imo most aren't (Magic and others are so over-complicated and require so much research just to get into them). But if Blizzard can keep it relatively simple and fun to play, this could be amazing.
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As a fan of mtgo I'll be checking this out. As long as it stays free to play then It'll probably be a good way to kill time. However at the first hint of pay to win I'll bail out. I'm not investing money in a product that will always be inferior to magic.
On March 23 2013 12:14 Chocobo wrote:(Magic and others are so over-complicated and require so much research just to get into them).
The only thing that is even remotely complicated in magic is the stack, and even then it's not that bad.
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Heh. And here i was hoping for a new Blizzard franchise. Maybe something set in the present time, something a little more realistic. But no, this company keeps rehashing the same old.
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Unless they plan to make real cards to be able to play with for the game, I don't see why they have to keep certain mechanics such as simple integer-only card stats. One of the big advantages to doing it on the computer is that it will automatically calculate and track all the numerical data.
using a computer is also an easy way to allow for action speed differences in a turn based game as well (i.e. a certain creature card (or player) having 30% faster actions than another)
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This looks really fun! I haven't played a card game since pokemon back in the day when I was a little kid, but I think I will really enjoy this!
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On March 23 2013 10:30 gamerdude12345 wrote:
Blizzard be smoking some powerful ganja if they want to make a card game better than magic
This isn't hard to do, unless you like ripoff schemes.
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On March 23 2013 12:25 Azriel wrote:
Heh. And here i was hoping for a new Blizzard franchise. Maybe something set in the present time, something a little more realistic. But no, this company keeps rehashing the same old.
Rehashing what's successful seems like such a horrible business model -Sarcasm-.
On topic, at first I laughed at this, but then I saw the videos and I actually want to try it out.
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On March 23 2013 13:39 Xapti wrote:
Unless they plan to make real cards to be able to play with for the game, I don't see why they have to keep certain mechanics such as simple integer-only card stats. One of the big advantages to doing it on the computer is that it will automatically calculate and track all the numerical data.
using a computer is also an easy way to allow for action speed differences in a turn based game as well (i.e. a certain creature card (or player) having 30% faster actions than another)
The only problem with that is that it makes the game harder to understand and conceptualize for the average person. They are clearly going for a pretty simplistic and approachable design on this so it will have mass appeal, especially targeting a Mobile audience. It's better to have Integers and simple math involved so that your players can make quick on the spot evaluations of what the best play is and not have to try an figure out percentages or decimals. Sure the computer can do that fast, but if you want to play with strategy you need to be able to do it yourself as well or else you might make a mistake in your math and then feel like the game is unfair because things didn't work they way you thought it would/should.
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as someone who played many different trading card games i find it funny how so many of you think that magic the gathering is the end all be all. its game mechanics are actually a lot worse than say the old wow tcgs game mechanics which was also overall much better balanced than mtg ever was.
i will have to play hearthstone for myself before being able to judge it.
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