On January 21 2013 13:34 Pokebunny wrote:
Whiplash is a good caster who improves a lot and def has great potential. SNM is okay.. improving but still I don't see a future in casting

Now how do you really feel about SNM? :d

Skoop

United States214 Posts

January 21 2013 07:05 GMT

#142

I like them both and want them to succeed. But sometimes it feels like Whiplash is carrying the pace of the cast when SNM stumbles over what feels like a language barrier issue. I think SNM could really use some voice-acting lessons. They're definitely improving though. I'd be really happy to hear that they're doing more to work better together is all.

figq

12519 Posts

January 21 2013 07:06 GMT

#143

People don't appreciate enough that these guys can deal with the Korean language very well, which is extremely important for casting Proleague, and helps a lot in many situations. It's much less of a problem in the GSL because it is more oriented towards foreigners and they have dedicated translators and other Korean crew members who speak some English.

We are actually very lucky to have these two casters for Proleague.

Takezou

United States320 Posts

January 21 2013 07:08 GMT

#144

On January 21 2013 16:06 figq wrote:
People don't appreciate enough that these guys can deal with the Korean language very well, which is extremely important for casting Proleague, and helps a lot in many situations. It's much less of a problem in the GSL because it is more oriented towards foreigners and they have dedicated translators and other Korean crew members who speak some English.

We are actually very lucky to have these two casters for Proleague.

I don't see how this helps their actual cast? We may not have any other options but that still does not make them good.

Zealously

East Gorteau22261 Posts

January 21 2013 07:10 GMT

#145

Needs improvement. I can see the duo actually being good (Whiplash is already very decent) eventually, but there are things they (both) need to work on.

Mohdoo

United States15723 Posts

January 21 2013 07:14 GMT

#146

Game is over. Just attack and lose, Argo.

figq

12519 Posts

January 21 2013 07:17 GMT

#147

On January 21 2013 16:08 Takezou wrote:

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I don't see how this helps their actual cast? We may not have any other options but that still does not make them good.

Find better casters who speak well Korean and English. If there aren't any, then you got the best you can get.

P.S. One more thing: previous experience and interest in Proleague and all the Kespa teams and players. Helps a ton.

Mohdoo

United States15723 Posts

January 21 2013 07:21 GMT

#148

edit: delete please

partydude89

1850 Posts

January 21 2013 07:24 GMT

#149

On January 21 2013 16:21 Mohdoo wrote:
Can't believe how much he threw that game, ugh. Full on foreigner, jesus

Wrong Thread? on topic though, i like whiplash, SMN not so much.

Mohdoo

United States15723 Posts

January 21 2013 07:29 GMT

#150

On January 21 2013 16:24 partydude89 wrote:

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Wrong Thread? on topic though, i like whiplash, SMN not so much.

My bad, mods delete please

dongmydrum

United States139 Posts

January 21 2013 07:32 GMT

#151

I think they have improved a lot individually, but their chemistry is so-so. they need to coordinate better and pick a casting style that fits them both. right now, it sounds like they're just taking turns commentating whos doing what

Aegeis

United States1619 Posts

January 21 2013 07:46 GMT

#152

They are getting slowly better and more like-able. By the end of Pro-league I think they will gain the respect they deserve.

thirtyapm

521 Posts

January 21 2013 07:47 GMT

#153

really disliked them in the beginning, still fair ways to go yet but improved visibly.

keep it up guys.

MrChupee

Australia161 Posts

January 21 2013 07:47 GMT

#154

On January 21 2013 12:16 eecs4ever wrote:
whiplash is Okay, but i hate how SNM often likes to contradict what whiplash is saying even though whiplash may be right.
Its as if they are not on the same team....

we need 2 casters who are casting together... not against each other please.

Yeah, if SNM and Whiplash can work as a team together, I think they'll be even better than they are now.
On one State of the Game though, Artosis mentioned a nice way to segue into what you are thinking of what the other guy is thinking is stuff like:

"We see (terran player) is going 1Rax into 3CC, do you think he underestimates the aggressive of his opponent? (pause for the other caster"
"[reason], [why], but, if his opponent sees the Orbitals, this could turn into a very aggressive game"

So in the end, you subtly imply you think differently, but do not outright say no and crap on your casting partner.

Yargh, even though I accidentally voted dislike, I really enjoy SPL when I have time to tune into you guys!

iTzSnypah

United States1738 Posts

January 21 2013 07:50 GMT

#155

I would like to see (in order of importance):
More confidence
Better fluidity
Better analysis

Exoteric

Australia2330 Posts

January 21 2013 07:54 GMT

#156

Whiplash is ok, but he tends to make bad predictions/judgements in the game. I wouldn't mind seeing him more as he'll improve with time. SNM brings with him on the fly translation from korean to english, but I don't really see much utilisation from that particular ability in the cast. I feel like he really needs to work on his articulation as well.

AllHailTheDead

United States418 Posts

January 21 2013 07:54 GMT

#157

Dear casters

stop making so many stupid fucking jokes
sorry but it needs to be said

signed,
people who want to watch starcraft

User was warned for this post

viasacra89

United States134 Posts

January 21 2013 08:01 GMT

#158

Entertainment: 2/10
Knowledge 4/10
Analysis: 0/10

Whiplash is definitely better than SNM, but SNM is necessary because they do not have control over an observer in game. SNM constantly talks over Whiplash and talks down to him too much. The ONLY thing SNM brings to the table to translation. I don't think that Whiplash is that good, but he has alot of room to improve and can eventually be a decent caster. Too bad this is the best we will probably get until we get english casters on location.

MisterFred

United States2033 Posts

January 21 2013 08:11 GMT

#159

I'm going to eat a little crow here. I've been VERY critical of SNM in this thread. But it caused me to watch Hero vs Cure on the English stream today, just to update my criticism.

Lo and behold, SNM seemed to be working really hard on his pronunciation, consciously clipping his words to try & make them come out crisper & clearer. I'm not going to go so far as to say I like him as a caster. But if SNM reads this thread - I acknowledge clear improvement & as (for me) your pronunciation is your biggest weakness, you are are the right track.

laegoose

Russian Federation325 Posts

January 21 2013 08:20 GMT

#160

Can somebody post a link to the Korean stream please?

On topic: SNM's pronounciation is what bothers me most. Whiplash's speech is pleasure to listen. In my opinion, Whiplash solo commentating would be much better.