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On January 21 2013 17:54 foxj wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 17:47 GunSec wrote:
well to the people who are complaining, there is a reason they are casting and you are not lol! Are u smoking ? What the reason ? They play SC better than us then should add a lot of people who are better than them. And We are the audience so we have the right to complain to help SPL improve.
There's not actually that much people better then Whiplash in NA, seeing he was a GM on NA for a long time 
Anyway, from reading all this I can actually just see two things:
-they need to improve chemistry A LOT
-SNM sometimes needs to think about what he is saying ^^
-SNM shoudl let the analysis be done by Whiplash
-play by play should be done by SNM, which he also needs to work on
+ Show Spoiler +(And also that on TL there is a lot of people, who don't really understand anything, but someone told them the casters don't understand the game, so they are repeating it just for the sake of it!)
Like seriously, do you really think they are like plat or what? SNM is masters and Whiplash, as said before, was GM on NA...
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Oh god reading this thread makes me appreciate watching on mute so much. I had no idea the horrors you guys are going through
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I think the Pro league english cast could use alot of help. And the problem isn't really the casters too much.
1: Beat whoever is managing your comercials. They begin immediately after a match, when the casters are still talking. they are cramed into every non-game second, cutting off the introductions and the recaps. I missed half of what the casters were talking about because of twitch comcercials. Get your production crew in line to not cover up content to make a fast buck. Trust me, if it continues, I will stop watching proleague, and I am fairly sure I'm not alone.
2: Casters need to have more professionalism. The proleague is broadcast on TV in korea, and then we americans get hold of it and make stupid jokes out of it. This should be Esport's chance to show the tv media that we aren't the whiney teenager in the corner... and we are missing it. I'm not saying that the casters need to be hyper disciplined, just that there needs to be alot less of time wasting jokes or personal stories and whatnot.
3: Rotate casters. While most of these posts are attacking the two casters who've apeared most often, I do not mean to here. There is a stagnation to the casts, where casters aren't sure of what to say, so they fill that time with pointless/worthless crap. Rotating just one of those casters would provide a new energy and insite, meaning even the filler time will have some worth. I understand that the koreans control the video feed, but we do control the audio, so we should make it the best we can. Right now I wouldn't be surprised to find out the proleague english cast is being done in an appartment somewhere with the blinds closed and tons of take out boxes.
4: Fully remove the korean comentators. This is incredibly annoying. Why does anyone feel the need to have 2 different languages, 4 (or 5?) people total trying to cast the same game, at the same time, on the same stream? Yeah, the korean voices are a little lower, but they are still there, and if I understood korean I could probably just listen to them cast. I know the first few games, the incoming stream sound was muted so we lost game sounds and everything. But I remember a few games after it was fixed so that we have game sounds without the korean crap. Somehow we've gotten the korean casters back in the picture.... Fix it.
5: Do something useful with the time between games, or the time between series. Yes, I know that EG is partly running the english stream, and they are vampires for money, but come the hell on.... Is it nessesary to have music and comercials playing continuously for the 15-30 minutes between series? Couldn't we do something useful with this time.... Like have segements of best game moments, worst game moments, analyze games, or just basic unit control?
6: Pie. Since I'm asking for everything, I'd like some pie too.
Thanks for reading. Again, no offence meant to the two casters now. (honestly, never heard of them before i watched pro league) There just needs to be a little more production value... which shouldn't take any more than finding a few graphic artist volunteers and a A/V tech to manhandle xsplit.
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Whichever one of them talks with a lisp makes me want to not watch at all (or without audio). Sorry, but we're tuning in to watch the games and HEAR you cast! Your voice NEEDS to be pleasant, otherwise it's really going to be tough to get people to keep coming back.
From what I've heard so far the casting seems to be decent and the synergy alright as well. But I find neither voice pleasant nor is the cast in general the tip-top quality I'd assume delivered for such a prestigious league.
Anyway, I'd probably scrap the lisp guy and get a new play-by-play caster (see, I'm not even sure what role he's supposed to fill? That's how little he does for me ...). I'm sure he's a tremendously nice guy, but I'd look for another caster.
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I've been following in starcraft since 2010. I have no idea who this smn guy is
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Ok SNM.
I just got out of bed to type this... whiplash just said "after this cast, lets go get korean bbq" and you reply with "no.
Ok you're paying"
Come on man. This is the kind of light banter that you need to be able to work with to create chemistry. Even if you don't actually want food, don't create an argument where you don't need one.
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They are way better than other casters who are more famous and more well liked, but they shouldn't be casting something as prestigious as PL.
Although I hope to see these guys succeed, I don't want them to continue with PL.
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I think the bigger issue is not the caster themselves, but how the format is not working for a foreign audience. Kespa should use the Tastosis formula at GOMTV, where they have their own desk, we can see them talking after/before games, building up storylines, etc.
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Wiplash gives me a headache, SNM is carcinogenic.
How can he cast with so little game knowledge and speak with a lisp... Come on.
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On January 21 2013 18:39 Godwrath wrote:
I think the bigger issue is not the caster themselves, but how the format is not working for a foreign audience. Kespa should use the Tastosis formula at GOMTV, where they have their own desk, we can see them talking after/before games, building up storylines, etc.
I think that is an issue, but not the bigger issue. A few people are concerned about the intermissions, and also about the Korean caster background noise, but those are things that will automatically get fixed over time as PL gets themselves situated more comfortably. The issue that needs to be brought up is the casters' ability to cast, which is why that is the bigger issue.
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On January 21 2013 18:42 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 18:39 Godwrath wrote:
I think the bigger issue is not the caster themselves, but how the format is not working for a foreign audience. Kespa should use the Tastosis formula at GOMTV, where they have their own desk, we can see them talking after/before games, building up storylines, etc. I think that is an issue, but not the bigger issue. A few people are concerned about the intermissions, and also about the Korean caster background noise, but those are things that will automatically get fixed over time as PL gets themselves situated more comfortably. The issue that needs to be brought up is the casters' ability to cast, which is why that is the bigger issue.
To be fair, not many casters around would know how to properly cast those games on Kespa maps, specially if they don't have access to an observer for their own.
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Honestly what is missing is the.. excitement. When a really really intense battle is happening, they sometimes don't say anything and it just makes it awkward sort of. If you listen to the Korean casters, you hear them go crazy. I'd love to see some more excitement. And yeah, I have to agree with the majority here. Whiplash is honestly doing a great job and I can really hear the improvement as each week goes by.. But Idk. SNM is still a bit behind.
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I don't have anything against them. They do seem new, but so far they haven't said or done anything to ruin games for me. Granted i don't watch it that often, but from what i've saw i like those guys. Feel they can only get better as time goes on.
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Personally, SNM is the least enjoyable caster since Husky.
I've come to appreciate basically every caster out there; I love Wolf and Khaldor, TB and Day9, Apollo and Kaelaris, obviously Tastosis, Bitter and Rotter, DoA, Moletrap (RIP) even Kellymilkies: they were all much, much more enjoyable than SNM.
His style is at the same time uninformed and smug and literally his entire contribution is reading stats he wrote beforehand.
He does seem well prepared, props for that, but that's basically the only positive thing I can say about his cast.
Whiplash seems kewl, though.
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On January 21 2013 18:04 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 17:54 foxj wrote:On January 21 2013 17:47 GunSec wrote:
well to the people who are complaining, there is a reason they are casting and you are not lol! Are u smoking ? What the reason ? They play SC better than us then should add a lot of people who are better than them. And We are the audience so we have the right to complain to help SPL improve. (And also that on TL there is a lot of people, who don't really understand anything, but someone told them the casters don't understand the game, so they are repeating it just for the sake of it!) Like seriously, do you really think they are like plat or what? SNM is masters and Whiplash, as said before, was GM on NA...
I'm masters and I don't know anything about Starcraft. At least, not enough to cast Proleague without being ridiculed. Honestly, the league you're in does not especially correspond to your knowledge of the game, only how well you play it. And for that matter, only how well you play with one of the three races in it.
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First of all terrible poll. It needs improvement and I dislike it? I don't see the point of separating them.
Whiplash isn't too bad, but SNM needs training or something. I do see improvement from Round 1, but their combo still needs work in terms of synergy. Doesn't exactly feel like a dual cast, sort like when Moletrap was rotated among a bunch of casters in Code A. I have nothing against Moletrap, but being with an array of different casters made it hard for them to figure out their respective niche within the dual cast.
Edit: Grammar, spelling.
Edit 2: I take back some things I've said. Sorry.
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personaly i dislike them a lot, they take away the fun of every match.. at least for me. i know its not helpful, but i dont even know where to start.. Proleague is the best of sc2 for me, so its really disapointing to have these two cast this. would love to have apollo cast this, or some other well known and tested casters. i subscribed but turn of the volume most of the time,.. 
maybe these two are not that bad, but they derinately dont deserve to cast that high lvl of games yet. hopefully they get theor thing going and improve a lot so pl casts are wirth listen to.
non the less i wish them the best and am looking forward to their improvement in the next couple of months
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On January 21 2013 18:18 Raven_zero300 wrote:
I think the Pro league english cast could use alot of help. And the problem isn't really the casters too much.
1: Beat whoever is managing your comercials. They begin immediately after a match, when the casters are still talking. they are cramed into every non-game second, cutting off the introductions and the recaps. I missed half of what the casters were talking about because of twitch comcercials. Get your production crew in line to not cover up content to make a fast buck. Trust me, if it continues, I will stop watching proleague, and I am fairly sure I'm not alone.
3: Rotate casters. While most of these posts are attacking the two casters who've apeared most often, I do not mean to here. There is a stagnation to the casts, where casters aren't sure of what to say, so they fill that time with pointless/worthless crap. Rotating just one of those casters would provide a new energy and insite, meaning even the filler time will have some worth. I understand that the koreans control the video feed, but we do control the audio, so we should make it the best we can. Right now I wouldn't be surprised to find out the proleague english cast is being done in an appartment somewhere with the blinds closed and tons of take out boxes.
4: Fully remove the korean comentators. This is incredibly annoying. Why does anyone feel the need to have 2 different languages, 4 (or 5?) people total trying to cast the same game, at the same time, on the same stream? Yeah, the korean voices are a little lower, but they are still there, and if I understood korean I could probably just listen to them cast. I know the first few games, the incoming stream sound was muted so we lost game sounds and everything. But I remember a few games after it was fixed so that we have game sounds without the korean crap. Somehow we've gotten the korean casters back in the picture.... Fix it.
5: Do something useful with the time between games, or the time between series. Yes, I know that EG is partly running the english stream, and they are vampires for money, but come the hell on.... Is it nessesary to have music and comercials playing continuously for the 15-30 minutes between series? Couldn't we do something useful with this time.... Like have segements of best game moments, worst game moments, analyze games, or just basic unit control?
6: Pie. Since I'm asking for everything, I'd like some pie too.
These are some really good suggestions.
In ANY other tournament cast (IPL, DH, MLG, IEM, GSL, whatever) I can tab out and play another game or work on something else in between the action and still listen for the next game or a cool part in the game to tab back in. I'll hear some adds but its not a big deal. But when I have to listen to the same 1-3 adds repeatedly for 20 minutes, every 20-30 minutes, I cannot stand it and just turn off the stream (usually) or mute it and maybe tune back in sometime later to watch a game.
Also, for the casters, I did indeed tune in today and SNM is improved. I still dislike him and feel he adds nothing worthwhile to the cast except for being able to understand Korean, but now he at least doesn't completely ruin the casts for me anymore.
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SNM has a terrible accent
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I'm actually really surprised how many complain about SNM's accent... it sounds totally fine to me, I've never had a single problem understanding him. He might have a slight lisp, but it's really not that bad. He speaks better english than a ton of people I know (especially all my math teachers... UGH)
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