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ApBuLLet
Profile Joined September 2010
United States604 Posts
January 28 2013 20:58 GMT
#461
Since pretty much everybody is just shitting on them, some of which I think is deserved and some not, I figure I'll say something positive about them. I like that SNM knows a little bit about the backgrounds of a lot of the kespa players. Like he knows their Brood War history and random little things like nicknames they have/had and things like that. There are very few people who have that sort of knowledge, partially because not everybody followed BW, but mostly because there aren't many casters who know korean.
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
January 28 2013 21:10 GMT
#462
On January 29 2013 05:58 ApBuLLet wrote:
Since pretty much everybody is just shitting on them, some of which I think is deserved and some not, I figure I'll say something positive about them. I like that SNM knows a little bit about the backgrounds of a lot of the kespa players. Like he knows their Brood War history and random little things like nicknames they have/had and things like that. There are very few people who have that sort of knowledge, partially because not everybody followed BW, but mostly because there aren't many casters who know korean.


Agree. I really enjoy his random BW history lessons.
TJ31
Profile Joined October 2012
630 Posts
January 28 2013 21:19 GMT
#463
On January 29 2013 05:49 Buff345 wrote:
the more i watch the more i like them. Not sure what standard people on TL are using in order to compare their SC casters to, but I think they are fine. Then again I don't watch to listen to casters, I watch to see the games. Kinda like any other sport......

Because SPL is a big/important event, people wanted to have a pro casters. Like GSL S/A ones. Compare Tastosis or Wolf and Khaldor with SNM and Whiplash...
And we've got amateur casters instead. For SPL.
For example no one complained when IGN got some amateur casters to cast some of their events and even held a casters contest and let winners to cast some games on IPL5. There was too many games anyway and they only casted a few of those.
-----

SNM really likes BW and doesn't like SC2. I got that much from time when he was a mod on Sea's stream (when Sea was in TL). So it's kinda "normal" that he lacks knowledge and passion when commenting SC2.
And he also doesn't have anything else to compensate it. I mean take some well known caster for example, like TB. He doesn't know about game THAT much either, he's busy with other games, his youtube channel, other projects etc. But he can commentate very well (some may like him, some won't, ofc, but he's still proffesional caster).
So in case with SNM...He doesn't have anything at all to be a good SC2 caster. Voice, diction, knowledge of the game, passion to cast SC2 games. Nothing at all.
Plus as mentioned already, SNM and WP doesn't work very well together, so it only makes things worse.
Boiler Bandsman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States391 Posts
January 28 2013 21:20 GMT
#464
Apart from the previously noted awkwardness/voice issues/poor chemistry....they seem to have a glaring lack of game knowledge and sense for SC2. It only shows up some of the time, but frankly it's very jarring when it does. Whether it's calling games early and wrongly or simple inablility to read the flow of the game and see what's coming, they just don't know the game as well as ME, much less Tastosis or Doa.
A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
January 28 2013 21:21 GMT
#465
I think they are doing fine, proper microphones would do a lot though.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
NightHawXXX
Profile Joined June 2011
United States16 Posts
January 28 2013 21:30 GMT
#466
I just love it when they say, "On top of that,......And on top of that..."
Hmm, its time to make units.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
January 28 2013 21:35 GMT
#467
I think we have had enough "feedback" for a while.
Thanks to the people who posted actual constructive criticism.

We will be contacting whiplash and discussing feedback options.
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
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