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Traceback
United States469 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:09 iamho wrote: From what I've read and seen on these forums, the SCII community seems to hate just about every commentator. Except maybe day9. Pretty sure like everyone likes Artosis. At least, when they aren't trolling. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:09 iamho wrote: From what I've read and seen on these forums, the SCII community seems to hate just about every commentator. Except maybe day9. And also anything that you have to pay for as well. Anyways, ontopic, I'm not a big fan of them, and actually they are one of the few caster duo's that make me angry. Their analysis is completely off so often, and half the game I just wonder if the others are believing what they are saying, if they actually learned more about the game, were more enthusiastic, made less really nerdy jokes that aren't funny, prepared more it'd be great. As far as I'm aware they are getting a very small salary, if any, so amazing casters cannot be expected. | ||
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bsdaemon
618 Posts
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munchmunch
Canada789 Posts
1. They should think more carefully about what they are saying. Two examples: (a) Game commentary (sorry, I can't remember the exact game): Yesterday, I heard them say (paraphrasing) "Oh player1's economy is failing, he's down to 150 supply". Then, not 10 seconds later, "Oh player2 has no money, he's going to lose". The whole time, player1 had 50 supply up on his opponent, and clearly had a better economy than his opponent. (b) Colour commentary / humour: seeing two friends in the audience, whiplash says "oh yeah, proleague is not just for couples only", to which SNM replied "Oh, are you saying they are a couple!!!" This type of "oh no, they are the gayz humour" might be appropriate for 13-year-olds, but it's not appropriate in this venue. Sadly, this is the typical quality of their humour. 2. Teamwork. It's been mentioned by many already, and it's a big deal. SNM in particular is terrible. When your partner makes a joke, you should back him up and laugh at it, even if you have to force yourself. Don't make it obvious that you think he's not funny, or try and one-up your partner with a better joke. Don't fight your partner for the right to speak. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
Whiplash is alright, though I noticed he kept making predictions, then justifying them, and then saying "oh yeah just I like I was saying, X happened". snm tends to make some weird observations that are just sort of wrong. Hope they can continue to improve though. Wow munchmunch is pretty spot-on. Teamwork could definitely be a bit better, snm you don't need to be mean to whiplash :\ | ||
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WhiteSatin
United States308 Posts
On January 21 2013 13:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: IEG hired their own casters (SNM and Whiplash) and own the English broadcasting rights. TL was covering until they got their own. Thanks ! :D On January 21 2013 13:41 MisterFred wrote: OGN was planning on an English cast. Kespa swooped in and said "sorry, we sold the rights to this IEG outfit". IEG said "haha, suckers, only, uh, we're not ready yet. Nevermind on that whole english-cast thing for the first week or so. Also, BTW, we're apparently the same folks as spotv." At that point EG & TL were all "hells naw, we busted our ass and did who knows how many illicit favors to Kespa execs to break into this league, and you're going to totally botch the opener for our legions of fans & potentially ruin this entire business venture? We'll cast this sucker ourselves." Then EG & TL proceeded to do just that. IEG, figuring it would actually do something with the rights it paid for yelled out "Hey english-speaking bitches, come work for us!" And all the established english-speaking bitches were all "screw you, we have good, stable jobs. We're not gonna dis everyone we've worked with over the past year to move to cold-ass Korea for a few crumbs." This made IEG sad, because doing stuff is hards. But then came SUPERNOVAMAN and he went up to IEG and said (in Korean) "I cans cast stuffs!" And IEG said "ok." Then SUPERNOVAMAN said "and I know this one dude." So IEG called the one dude and asked if he wanted to cast. And Whiplash said "sure." This made IEG happy, 'cause now it was their time to shine. They took their Proleague video feed back from EG & TL, and said to SUPERNOVAMAN "go now, and hypnotize the barbarian hordes using their strange words." And SUPERNOVAMAN did speak much English while casting Proleague, and much agony and anguish was felt by all. rofl, thanks :D On January 21 2013 13:53 nmetasch wrote: Kespa had told EGTL that the broadcasting rights were temporary. There were many problems introduced by casting from another country, and i'm sure kespa had high interests in finding someone who could translate korean, and eventually want to have their casters in the studio. I think EGTL just didn't realize how short term it would be and made a big deal out of it when announcing it. Seems like a case of the whole "lost in translation" thing  And thank you too!  | ||
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AllHailTheDead
United States418 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:28 munchmunch wrote: For me, the two biggest things that need improvement are: 1. They should think more carefully about what they are saying. Two examples: (a) Game commentary (sorry, I can't remember the exact game): Yesterday, I heard them say (paraphrasing) "Oh player1's economy is failing, he's down to 150 supply". Then, not 10 seconds later, "Oh player2 has no money, he's going to lose". The whole time, player1 had 50 supply up on his opponent, and clearly had a better economy than his opponent. (b) Colour commentary / humour: seeing two friends in the audience, whiplash says "oh yeah, proleague is not just for couples only", to which SNM replied "Oh, are you saying they are a couple!!!" This type of "oh no, they are the gayz humour" might be appropriate for 13-year-olds, but it's not appropriate in this venue. Sadly, this is the typical quality of their humour. 2. Teamwork. It's been mentioned by many already, and it's a big deal. SNM in particular is terrible. When your partner makes a joke, you should back him up and laugh at it, even if you have to force yourself. Don't make it obvious that you think he's not funny, or try and one-up your partner with a better joke. Don't fight your partner for the right to speak. Pretty much dead on in the nicest way possible also this On January 21 2013 15:23 synaptik wrote: "jd with that huge infestor advantage" screen shows 7 for each player | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:09 iamho wrote: From what I've read and seen on these forums, the SCII community seems to hate just about every commentator. Except maybe day9. There's always going to be people who don't like particular styles and certain styles that fit with certain people (I still personally don't see how people can enjoy DJWheat's casting myself /shrug) but this is a little different. The big way you know there's a difference in the kind of hate these guys are receiving is in how people defend them. I mean just read this thread for some examples. "They aren't that bad," "I think they could be good if they improve a bit" "I like one but not the other," "they're alright I guess but not the best." There's not really a part of the community screaming out, OMG I LOVE THESE GUYS like there is with most of the other casters even ones with a large hater base. | ||
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
Edit: Seriously though, I appreciate what Whiplash and SNM are doing, but they're not great analytically and just don't seem to have much chemistry either. Hope they can work hard and improve! | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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zoid
Sweden36 Posts
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Traceback
United States469 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:36 kochanfe wrote: Guys, guys. Just watch it on mute. Watching Nathanias better than watching on mute. | ||
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eecs4ever
United States106 Posts
Someone tell him to stop introducing unneeded terms to try to sound smart. WTF , binary tree? just say, JD is able to react properly and make the right decisions. | ||
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
Watching Argo vs Jaedong now, a PvZ on Cloud Kingdom and they dont seem aware that the Slow-Ling Cheese is being used due to Zergs Overlord placement over Protoss Natural. When they speak of the build, they speak of it as a common straight up attack on the natural. Not even considering the fact that the lings are built because the Zergs sees instantly if Protoss leaves with the Zealot on the wall of. I would be fine with this, but this is happening almost EVERY game. They comment without having a deeper understanding of the game. Also, "I would like to see this", "I would like to see this.." etc. is in my opinion NOT a commentators job to point out all the time. I am interested in why players are doing stuff and what they are doing. Not what the commentators would like them to do. This with a lot more combimed makes them quite a bad caster duo in my opinion compared to the rest of the scene. | ||
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AllHailTheDead
United States418 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:37 zoid wrote: Yeah, Whiplash is good. It's SNM that makes me mute the stream. I can't stand people talking through their nose and lisps on top of that. He sounds exactly like that guy on youtube that gets to open his Christmas presents early and gets all excited because he gets Luke's and Vader's lightsabers. I mean, if you sound like that, is pursuing a career based on you talking really a good idea? But that guy does it as a joke these guys don't...... | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
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Nukm_
Germany104 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:58 Pursuit_ wrote: I think they've gotten a lot better. Whiplash adds plenty of relevant commentary while SNM seems to be improving as well (either that or I've just gotten used to his voice). I'd still prefer K[9] or Tastosis to cast ofc, but as far as 'new' casters go these guys are great. while the cast has gotten a bit more fluent, there is still no real chemistry between them and i still dont get any real insight into the game from them besides the obvious. i hope they keep improving but im actually less optimistic about it getting actually good than than i was in the beginning | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Takezou
United States320 Posts
On January 21 2013 15:05 Jaaaaasper wrote: Strangely enough, different people have different opinions. It shocks me that you think that every single person thinks, or at least should think, like you do. I put more value on the translation and background knowledge than you do, and am willing to allow them time to grow as caster, because there are very few casters who are great right away. There isn't that much translating and their background knowledge is very obviously KESPA biased. Most casters have something going for them. These guys really don't. | ||
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