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On January 21 2013 13:41 MisterFred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:21 WhiteSatin wrote:
I actually asked this question before in 2 more topics I believe, but no one gave me an answer so I hope somebody can help me now.
I remember that when TL/EG announced they were gonna cover pro league they also announced TB, mr.bitter, TLO etc. as casters - then very soon it switched over to these guys.
I was simply wondering why ? Can someone enlighten me please ?
Anyway my opinion is that they need to improve their game knowledge quite a bit as right now (especially for Terran) they call stuff wrong lots of times. Also that very 'fake' GG yelling at the end was kinda bothering me, I think the GG should be called with an honest spirit: if you were excited right before it happens then you can yell it, otherwise no need to go for this fake excitement.
Also sometimes they get into "personal" talk of stuff we -the viewers- are not aware and that's not good either.
Overall it's a good casting, I don't dislike it but I'm not a great fan either. I think they need lots of work to do before it becomes very nice. If I had to give a grade it'd be 6 out of 10.
Cheers OGN was planning on an English cast. Kespa swooped in and said "sorry, we sold the rights to this IEG outfit". IEG said "haha, suckers, only, uh, we're not ready yet. Nevermind on that whole english-cast thing for the first week or so. Also, BTW, we're apparently the same folks as spotv." At that point EG & TL were all "hells naw, we busted our ass and did who knows how many illicit favors to Kespa execs to break into this league, and you're going to totally botch the opener for our legions of fans & potentially ruin this entire business venture? We'll cast this sucker ourselves." Then EG & TL proceeded to do just that. IEG, figuring it would actually do something with the rights it paid for yelled out "Hey english-speaking bitches, come work for us!" And all the established english-speaking bitches were all "screw you, we have good, stable jobs. We're not gonna dis everyone we've worked with over the past year to move to cold-ass Korea for a few crumbs." This made IEG sad, because doing stuff is hards. But then came SUPERNOVAMAN and he went up to IEG and said (in Korean) "I cans cast stuffs!" And IEG said "ok." Then SUPERNOVAMAN said "and I know this one dude." So IEG called the one dude and asked if he wanted to cast. And Whiplash said "sure." This made IEG happy, 'cause now it was their time to shine. They took their Proleague video feed back from EG & TL, and said to SUPERNOVAMAN "go now, and hypnotize the barbarian hordes using their strange words." And SUPERNOVAMAN did speak much English while casting Proleague, and much agony and anguish was felt by all.
This is gold. Going from street/gang-style speech to ebonics to Bibleism.
On topic, I have realized how bad (in terms of predictions, voice quality of SNM, vapid filler-talk) the English cast is, but it doesn't bother me. I just come to it for the translations. Koreans saying, "STEPANOOO KOSI MI DAH," and other things I 98% don't understand are more entertaining to me.
I agree with all of Alryk's points, though, and if these were followed I may yet enjoy full comprehension of an SPL cast!
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I don't what people area talking about when they say the casters argue and are rude to each other. I haven't heard any of that.
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I hate to say it but some people just are not cut out to be casters. I am one of them. SNM is one of them. The difference between us is one of us took a job doing it and the other would never dream of it - or at least would do it fully accepting that I would be reviled by the audience.
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I enjoy the cast.Not the best,but enjoyable.
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looks like these casters are in a small trouble.
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whiplash is an annoying caster that has no knowledge of the game at all. Hope they get someone more experience soon.
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snm makes far too many contradictory statements
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hello, is SNM = SDM??? I tried searching for more info on SNM but nothing came up. I recall SDM (super daniel man?). Maybe they are the same person? I don't know, but in proleague, I never see their faces, so its all a mystery...
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On January 21 2013 14:44 Lokian wrote:
hello, is SNM = SDM??? I tried searching for more info on SNM but nothing came up. I recall SDM (super daniel man?). Maybe they are the same person? I don't know, but in proleague, I never see their faces, so its all a mystery...
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On January 21 2013 14:43 NoGasfOu wrote:
whiplash is an annoying caster that has no knowledge of the game at all. Hope they get someone more experience soon.
that's hardly useable feedback, 'no knowledge' is a bit of an obsolete comment since he was a masters player and i think it's a bit of stretch to believe someone who knows nothing about the game can get to that level
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They need more knowledge about the players, because kespa players are relatively new to people who just started to watch proleague. They need to focus more on both the game and themselves, they often repeat each others. They often wrongly criticized players actions which make the cast unbearable, they need a better understanding of the current meta game. SNM always give misleading/confused info about the game.
Translation is pretty good though.
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I see a lot of people upset with the casting, but what alternatives are there? I doubt they're paying these guys much and the situation just doesn't suggest they care to pay for quality casters. Does casting really matter at all for the PL? I don't think it does.
The issue is SC2 and especially PL is at a point where it's just a crowd of devoted fans that will find a way to tolerate the situation (whether it be watching it muted, the korean stream, or just stomaching the sub-par casting). I'm sure a lot of the people who watch PL don't need casters to be interested in or understand what is going on. Casuals aren't watching PL even though the live airing times aren't nearly as bad as the GSL, the subscription is dirt cheap, and they have free Korean broadcast VODs. I just don't think the general interest in the game is as strong and as a result, the importance of casters isn't the same as it was in the early days of SC2 when Husky, HD, and Day9 were really capable of pulling new people into the community.
As is, the casting is not good but it's also not repulsive enough to cost IEG anything. The English cast seems like an afterthought and rightfully so. The most we can hope for is that HotS causes a surge in SC2's popularity and a higher incentive for IEG and Kespa to try and ride that tide to higher investments into their foreign connection.
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I don't see SNM improving anytime soon. The guy has been casting brood for sometime before this and he still isn't the best. Knowledgable of players maybe but being a caster is not for him. He just banters about things he wants to talk about like most current BW commentators
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On January 21 2013 14:21 Takezou wrote:
Team liquid's older forum tend to have a very strong BW bias. If they were casting for any other tournament I doubt the casters would have even the little support they have now. I usually do not like bashing casters but it shocks me that they would have people defending them.
Strangely enough, different people have different opinions. It shocks me that you think that every single person thinks, or at least should think, like you do. I put more value on the translation and background knowledge than you do, and am willing to allow them time to grow as caster, because there are very few casters who are great right away.
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Huh, tough crowd. I think they're pretty good. They seem to get confused in the heat of battles about where the momentum is shifting, but...welcome to sports commentary. The insta-translation of the proceedings and the interviews with the Korean players is arguably the best we've seen of anything in SC2 yet.
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The thing that pains me most when watching them is when literally all their banters and jokes fall flat. There's nothing more awkward to me than that.
A suggestion is to pre-plan them to a certain extent (like what Tastosis does).
I also don't know anything personal about them at all. I have problems separating one from the other. Maybe show a webcam or a portrait of the two during break time could be useful, like what Iron Squid 2 is doing.
Above all, try to find your niche. You have a caster who understands Korea. Use that more. Bring your talent into your cast more. Good luck!
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I like them and they do a good job and try hard, But one of them really needs to improve his game knowledge. I can't remember which one it is but ya.....
When I hear wow those storms are awful(it was something like that where someone used a few storms on viking and literally murdered like 10+ vikings. I literally face palmed to myself. I know the other guy corrected it and thank god but when you say stuff like that when it was literally the best storms the other guy could hope for....ya
Just please improve game knowledge and try not to say that much stupid things  otherwise great job
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From what I've read and seen on these forums, the SCII community seems to hate just about every commentator. Except maybe day9.
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They both have improved since the beginning and will continue to do so. The only thing that stands out for me is that the game analysis is pretty awful, I feel like any high ranked masters player can analyze a game better. The good news is that this is something that they can both improve upon easily over time and with some effort.
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On January 21 2013 15:09 iamho wrote:
From what I've read and seen on these forums, the SCII community seems to hate just about every commentator. Except maybe day9.
Plenty of people dislike day 9 these days. But that's not the issue. I had zero issue with any single caster in SC2 until SNM.
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On January 21 2013 14:43 NoGasfOu wrote:
whiplash is an annoying caster that has no knowledge of the game at all. Hope they get someone more experience soon.
I agree neither of them are that great. Can they improve? Maybe. Are people willing to wait? Probably not.
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