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On February 28 2018 23:42 Ayaz2810 wrote:
As a filthy socialist liberal atheist, I'm feeling some hope for the first time in a long time. The "blue wave" seems different than having someone like Hillary shoved down our throats. This feels organic and real. I don't think the Republicans fully appreciate the precarious position they are in right now. January 2019 is going to be very interesting. I'm not a fan of counting my chickens before they hatch, but let's be honest, Dems are killing it and the numbers continue to move further in their direction.
what didn't you like about hillary?
the republicans seem quite aware of their precarious position to me; though there's limits to how much of an effect a wave election could have, given the distribution of partisanship around the country.
some dem wins would be nice; but it's important to be mindful of the limitations on what it means; and of the underlying dynamics.
it's good that you feel hope; but hope is not an accurate reflector or indicator of reality.
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On February 28 2018 23:42 Ayaz2810 wrote:
As a filthy socialist liberal atheist, I'm feeling some hope for the first time in a long time. The "blue wave" seems different than having someone like Hillary shoved down our throats. This feels organic and real. I don't think the Republicans fully appreciate the precarious position they are in right now. January 2019 is going to be very interesting. I'm not a fan of counting my chickens before they hatch, but let's be honest, Dems are killing it and the numbers continue to move further in their direction. Sure didn't take long for them to get over Bush and think "we can do worse". I don't see this going any different now
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He's probably not there. They should check DC.
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On March 01 2018 00:33 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2018 23:42 Ayaz2810 wrote:
As a filthy socialist liberal atheist, I'm feeling some hope for the first time in a long time. The "blue wave" seems different than having someone like Hillary shoved down our throats. This feels organic and real. I don't think the Republicans fully appreciate the precarious position they are in right now. January 2019 is going to be very interesting. I'm not a fan of counting my chickens before they hatch, but let's be honest, Dems are killing it and the numbers continue to move further in their direction. Sure didn't take long for them to get over Bush and think "we can do worse". I don't see this going any different now
Republicans were very disillusioned with Bush by the end of 2008. But the conservative wing of the GOP spent the next 8 years turning Obama into a cartoon villain for their base. And Clinton after, which more success due to really stupid moves by her and her camp. You can see the Republicans the same effort the Schumer and Pelosi now. The only real platform they have is fear and turning the other side into harbingers of the dreaded socialism.
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Honestly I'm not that rosy on the Dems' chances to win back either house. Their numbers are good but maybe not good enough? The math on that is really complicated and I haven't done any of the work to know for sure.
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On March 01 2018 00:48 ChristianS wrote:
Honestly I'm not that rosy on the Dems' chances to win back either house. Their numbers are good but maybe not good enough? The math on that is really complicated and I haven't done any of the work to know for sure.
If I remember correctly, 538 has been saying that approx. +7 Dems would make the midterms about even for control of the house.
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On March 01 2018 00:51 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2018 00:48 ChristianS wrote:
Honestly I'm not that rosy on the Dems' chances to win back either house. Their numbers are good but maybe not good enough? The math on that is really complicated and I haven't done any of the work to know for sure. If I remember correctly, 538 has been saying that approx. +7 Dems would make the midterms about even for control of the house.
The number of Republicans retiring this year is important too. Like some crazy number, like +30, of house republicans are retiring. Many of them from purple states. Not having incumbents in those states is a huge blow for Republicans. Nowhere near a sure thing for Democrats however.
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And let's be clear... most, if not all, would not be retiring if they liked their chances this fall. Republicans are not in a strong position, even before taking into account historical trends.
The Senate is a different story. Shitty luck with how few Republican seats are up.
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I can just imagine all the moderate Republicans thinking "wow, my party has gone to shit", leaving, and then being replaced by Trump-esque characters who are voted in just as easily because of partisanship and whatnot.
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On March 01 2018 01:15 a_flayer wrote:
I can just imagine all the moderate Republicans thinking "wow, my party has gone to shit", leaving, and then being replaced by Trump-esque characters who are voted in just as easily because of partisanship and whatnot.
The same thing happened to the Democrats in 1994-95 with Clinton. People forget that first year was a garbage fire and allowed the Republicans to dumpster the democrats in the mid terms.
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Interesting. Think he's trying to get some leverage from not pleading guilty right away? Or does he seriously think donny dipshit will pardon him? Or is this just more evil center left wing propaganda?
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort pleaded not guilty on Wednesday to a new indictment brought against him in the investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election and will face trial in September.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is running the Russia probe, is dialing up the legal pressure on Manafort, who has opted not to cooperate with investigators.
Manafort’s former business partner Rick Gates, another Trump ex-campaign official, decided last week to cooperate with the investigation.
Manafort is facing two separate indictments on an array of charges, including conspiracy to launder money, filing false tax returns, bank fraud, and failing to register as a foreign agent despite lobbying in the United States for the pro-Kremlin Ukrainian government of former President Viktor Yanukovych.
Manafort’s trial is expected to last for several weeks, and could stretch on through November’s midterm elections - making headlines at a time when Republicans are fighting to maintain their majority in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate.
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson set the trial to start Sept. 17 in Washington, D.C.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/ex-trump-top-aide-manafort-pleads-not-guilty-faces-september-trial-idUSKCN1GC28F
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On March 01 2018 01:46 hunts wrote:Interesting. Think he's trying to get some leverage from not pleading guilty right away? Or does he seriously think donny dipshit will pardon him? Or is this just more evil center left wing propaganda? Show nested quote +WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort pleaded not guilty on Wednesday to a new indictment brought against him in the investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election and will face trial in September.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is running the Russia probe, is dialing up the legal pressure on Manafort, who has opted not to cooperate with investigators.
Manafort’s former business partner Rick Gates, another Trump ex-campaign official, decided last week to cooperate with the investigation.
Manafort is facing two separate indictments on an array of charges, including conspiracy to launder money, filing false tax returns, bank fraud, and failing to register as a foreign agent despite lobbying in the United States for the pro-Kremlin Ukrainian government of former President Viktor Yanukovych.
Manafort’s trial is expected to last for several weeks, and could stretch on through November’s midterm elections - making headlines at a time when Republicans are fighting to maintain their majority in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate.
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson set the trial to start Sept. 17 in Washington, D.C. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/ex-trump-top-aide-manafort-pleads-not-guilty-faces-september-trial-idUSKCN1GC28F
lol you can't help yourself can you? You've been shown to be wrong every time we've done this dance so for the sake of the everyone else just knock it off.
As to the story, my bet is on knowing he's not going to face any real consequences one way or another.
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On March 01 2018 01:46 hunts wrote:Interesting. Think he's trying to get some leverage from not pleading guilty right away? Or does he seriously think donny dipshit will pardon him? Or is this just more evil center left wing propaganda? Show nested quote +WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort pleaded not guilty on Wednesday to a new indictment brought against him in the investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election and will face trial in September.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is running the Russia probe, is dialing up the legal pressure on Manafort, who has opted not to cooperate with investigators.
Manafort’s former business partner Rick Gates, another Trump ex-campaign official, decided last week to cooperate with the investigation.
Manafort is facing two separate indictments on an array of charges, including conspiracy to launder money, filing false tax returns, bank fraud, and failing to register as a foreign agent despite lobbying in the United States for the pro-Kremlin Ukrainian government of former President Viktor Yanukovych.
Manafort’s trial is expected to last for several weeks, and could stretch on through November’s midterm elections - making headlines at a time when Republicans are fighting to maintain their majority in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate.
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson set the trial to start Sept. 17 in Washington, D.C. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/ex-trump-top-aide-manafort-pleads-not-guilty-faces-september-trial-idUSKCN1GC28F
I’m very confused as well. Trump could pardon him prior to the trial, but that is almost better than the trial running right through the midterms. And the pardon would almost instantly be challenged as well, since almost no president has been crazy enough to pull a stunt like that.
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On March 01 2018 01:46 hunts wrote:Interesting. Think he's trying to get some leverage from not pleading guilty right away? Or does he seriously think donny dipshit will pardon him? Or is this just more evil center left wing propaganda? Show nested quote +WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort pleaded not guilty on Wednesday to a new indictment brought against him in the investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election and will face trial in September.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is running the Russia probe, is dialing up the legal pressure on Manafort, who has opted not to cooperate with investigators.
Manafort’s former business partner Rick Gates, another Trump ex-campaign official, decided last week to cooperate with the investigation.
Manafort is facing two separate indictments on an array of charges, including conspiracy to launder money, filing false tax returns, bank fraud, and failing to register as a foreign agent despite lobbying in the United States for the pro-Kremlin Ukrainian government of former President Viktor Yanukovych.
Manafort’s trial is expected to last for several weeks, and could stretch on through November’s midterm elections - making headlines at a time when Republicans are fighting to maintain their majority in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate.
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson set the trial to start Sept. 17 in Washington, D.C. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/ex-trump-top-aide-manafort-pleads-not-guilty-faces-september-trial-idUSKCN1GC28F
I think this signals the fact that Manafort is 100% sure Trump will go to extreme lengths to defend him. Knowing Trump, that can only mean Trump is vulnerable to Manafort. Every single other participant in this mess is immediately bending over for Mueller. Manafort giving the impression he does not give 2 shits shows me he has an ace up his sleeve. But the only ace that could really exist, given the fact that the evidence against him is entirely damning, is the executive branch.
What I don't understand is how Manafort gets out of the state charges. I am assuming the executive branch can actually fight off state charges if it goes to extreme lengths. But I don't claim to know enough to say. All I can say is that if we look at the decision making by Manafort, he isn't worried.
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On March 01 2018 02:30 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2018 01:46 hunts wrote:Interesting. Think he's trying to get some leverage from not pleading guilty right away? Or does he seriously think donny dipshit will pardon him? Or is this just more evil center left wing propaganda? WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort pleaded not guilty on Wednesday to a new indictment brought against him in the investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election and will face trial in September.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is running the Russia probe, is dialing up the legal pressure on Manafort, who has opted not to cooperate with investigators.
Manafort’s former business partner Rick Gates, another Trump ex-campaign official, decided last week to cooperate with the investigation.
Manafort is facing two separate indictments on an array of charges, including conspiracy to launder money, filing false tax returns, bank fraud, and failing to register as a foreign agent despite lobbying in the United States for the pro-Kremlin Ukrainian government of former President Viktor Yanukovych.
Manafort’s trial is expected to last for several weeks, and could stretch on through November’s midterm elections - making headlines at a time when Republicans are fighting to maintain their majority in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate.
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson set the trial to start Sept. 17 in Washington, D.C. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/ex-trump-top-aide-manafort-pleads-not-guilty-faces-september-trial-idUSKCN1GC28F I think this signals the fact that Manafort is 100% sure Trump will go to extreme lengths to defend him. Knowing Trump, that can only mean Trump is vulnerable to Manafort. Every single other participant in this mess is immediately bending over for Mueller. Manafort giving the impression he does not give 2 shits shows me he has an ace up his sleeve. But the only ace that could really exist, given the fact that the evidence against him is entirely damning, is the executive branch. What I don't understand is how Manafort gets out of the state charges. I am assuming the executive branch can actually fight off state charges if it goes to extreme lengths. But I don't claim to know enough to say. All I can say is that if we look at the decision making by Manafort, he isn't worried.
Considering Manafort's dealings go back far beyond Trump running for president there's no way he doesn't have piles of dirt on more than just the Trump family. I'm sure his influence runs widely across a variety of business interests.
For instance, maybe Manafort has the doubling assurance of being able to contradict Tony Podesta's story on their dealings.
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On March 01 2018 02:30 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2018 01:46 hunts wrote:Interesting. Think he's trying to get some leverage from not pleading guilty right away? Or does he seriously think donny dipshit will pardon him? Or is this just more evil center left wing propaganda? WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort pleaded not guilty on Wednesday to a new indictment brought against him in the investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election and will face trial in September.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is running the Russia probe, is dialing up the legal pressure on Manafort, who has opted not to cooperate with investigators.
Manafort’s former business partner Rick Gates, another Trump ex-campaign official, decided last week to cooperate with the investigation.
Manafort is facing two separate indictments on an array of charges, including conspiracy to launder money, filing false tax returns, bank fraud, and failing to register as a foreign agent despite lobbying in the United States for the pro-Kremlin Ukrainian government of former President Viktor Yanukovych.
Manafort’s trial is expected to last for several weeks, and could stretch on through November’s midterm elections - making headlines at a time when Republicans are fighting to maintain their majority in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate.
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson set the trial to start Sept. 17 in Washington, D.C. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/ex-trump-top-aide-manafort-pleads-not-guilty-faces-september-trial-idUSKCN1GC28F I think this signals the fact that Manafort is 100% sure Trump will go to extreme lengths to defend him. Knowing Trump, that can only mean Trump is vulnerable to Manafort. Every single other participant in this mess is immediately bending over for Mueller. Manafort giving the impression he does not give 2 shits shows me he has an ace up his sleeve. But the only ace that could really exist, given the fact that the evidence against him is entirely damning, is the executive branch. What I don't understand is how Manafort gets out of the state charges. I am assuming the executive branch can actually fight off state charges if it goes to extreme lengths. But I don't claim to know enough to say. All I can say is that if we look at the decision making by Manafort, he isn't worried.
what's keeping these folk from just skipping town? I haven't heard how high their bail is; but it seems like they could have enough stashed away that some of 'em could manage to run and live somewhere else. haven't really looked much at all at the details for 'em all though.
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arm the teachers!
part of me wonders if this was done purposefully as a means of discrediting the ridiculous suggestion. which i can’t condone. but the timing is too coincidental.
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EPT
