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On January 31 2018 00:11 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 00:08 Plansix wrote: It is sort of hard to by the argument that the “elites” are liberal when Republicans have dominated DC for a decade and a half. The rot in Washington is equally spread, but there are simply more Republicans there.
Also that article over uses the term elite, which is not an accurate description of the average house representative. It is a throw away term used to paint them all as “over educated” and out of touch.
From where danglars is standing most republicans are "left" and "liberal"  There is a reason that 35 moderate republicans are not seeking re-election in the house this year. A record breaking number that resembles the number of Democrats retiring back in 1995.
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On January 30 2018 23:57 TheTenthDoc wrote: So, is Trump going to waffle vaguely about the Nunes memo, reference it ominously and deceptively in his State of the Union, then release it in 5 days, at which point the right wing media will simply say "the memo is out and implicates Rosenstein" rather than comment on its content?
Or will he actually release the memo he's been demanding released before he gets to spin it, undoubtedly inaccurately because he is an incompetent buffoon, at the State of the Union?
Wouldn't be surprised if he straight up reads it during the SOTU and gives live commentary as he goes through it.
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On January 30 2018 23:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: I just want this investigation to be over so I can know if we're turning into Russia, or Trump is being removed. Hopefully both.
On January 30 2018 20:59 mustaju wrote:I recently came across this in an Estonian culture publication. It seems to provide a quite thorough counter-argument to the claim that the protests at the US universities regarding controversial speakers is a major issue. It seems rather well-sourced as well. It did not address the violence accompanying some events however, but since this seems to come up so often, maybe it is interesting to other people too. I did not see it posted, so apologies if it's spam. Source The thesis of this piece seems to be that it’s not really just universities, it’s a more general trend towards silencing undesirable speech that you could find among the larger population. That’s a reasonable assertion, especially since it’s well-sourced. And it’s also a good observation that not all students are created equal, and that many of them are perfectly reasonable individuals. The place where this fails is in the institutional support for that “snowflake mentality” that our conservative fanbase talks about. In my personal experience, while student bases can be diverse enough by virtue of the fact that people aren’t all the same, the administration of universities are strongly pressured to cater towards the lowest common denominator, i.e. to go out of the way to try to please the most easily offended people in the student population. I suppose it’s something of a liability issue, and also something of a PR issue, but the aggregate results are really stupid.
Anecdotally, I’ve been part of a university faculty in the past, for a university not particularly known for its ideological bent or for having a particularly skewed student base. I still had to learn about and humor all the stuff that seems like it would come out of a conservative circlejerk about culture war: rape culture, safe spaces, trigger warnings, microaggressions, basically everything you do is sexual harassment, so on and so forth. To me at least, that gives credence to the conservative narrative because I’ve seen institutional support for that brand of stupidity.
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So when do we see this memo?
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On January 31 2018 00:08 Plansix wrote: It is sort of hard to by the argument that the “elites” are liberal when Republicans have dominated DC for a decade and a half. The rot in Washington is equally spread, but there are simply more Republicans there.
Also that article over uses the term elite, which is not an accurate description of the average house representative. It is a throw away term used to paint them all as “over educated” and out of touch.
Take any poll of career civil servants. The side that climbs the bureaucratic ladder is ridiculously tilted towards the left. The party more dependably this n favor of big government solutions.
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On January 31 2018 00:28 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 00:08 Plansix wrote: It is sort of hard to by the argument that the “elites” are liberal when Republicans have dominated DC for a decade and a half. The rot in Washington is equally spread, but there are simply more Republicans there.
Also that article over uses the term elite, which is not an accurate description of the average house representative. It is a throw away term used to paint them all as “over educated” and out of touch.
Take any poll of career civil servants. The side that climbs the bureaucratic ladder is ridiculously tilted towards the left. The party more dependably this n favor of big government solutions. The party that says government can do amazing things appeals to civil servants. What a shocker. It is sort of a self fulfilling prophesy that civil servants believe the mission of the agency they work for. As the Republicans have moved away from the party of management and lean government to one of no government, it forces civil servants firmly into the party that believes in their mission. Republicans lost most civil servants long ago.
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On January 31 2018 00:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 00:28 Danglars wrote:On January 31 2018 00:08 Plansix wrote: It is sort of hard to by the argument that the “elites” are liberal when Republicans have dominated DC for a decade and a half. The rot in Washington is equally spread, but there are simply more Republicans there.
Also that article over uses the term elite, which is not an accurate description of the average house representative. It is a throw away term used to paint them all as “over educated” and out of touch.
Take any poll of career civil servants. The side that climbs the bureaucratic ladder is ridiculously tilted towards the left. The party more dependably this n favor of big government solutions. The party that says government can do amazing things appeals to civil servants. What a shocker. It is sort of a self fulfilling prophesy that civil servants believe the mission of the agency they work for. As the Republicans have moved away from the party of management and lean government to one of no government, it forces civil servants firmly into the party that believes in their mission. Republicans lost most civil servants long ago. Hey, you can admit you’re wrong. Sweet.
For the 5+ people who gleefully questioned Trump’s mental health from a speech, are any of you going to do it to the other side?
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On January 31 2018 00:49 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 00:39 Plansix wrote:On January 31 2018 00:28 Danglars wrote:On January 31 2018 00:08 Plansix wrote: It is sort of hard to by the argument that the “elites” are liberal when Republicans have dominated DC for a decade and a half. The rot in Washington is equally spread, but there are simply more Republicans there.
Also that article over uses the term elite, which is not an accurate description of the average house representative. It is a throw away term used to paint them all as “over educated” and out of touch.
Take any poll of career civil servants. The side that climbs the bureaucratic ladder is ridiculously tilted towards the left. The party more dependably this n favor of big government solutions. The party that says government can do amazing things appeals to civil servants. What a shocker. It is sort of a self fulfilling prophesy that civil servants believe the mission of the agency they work for. As the Republicans have moved away from the party of management and lean government to one of no government, it forces civil servants firmly into the party that believes in their mission. Republicans lost most civil servants long ago. Hey, you can admit you’re wrong. Sweet. https://twitter.com/politicalshort/status/958235971446689792For the 5+ people who gleefully questioned Trump’s mental health from a speech, are any of you going to do it to the other side? Happily. Nancy Pelosi is a demented old bat who should retire immediately.
Unfortunately that doesn't make anybody *more* confident in your government...
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There's a difference between mistaking someone's name - which is either a mistake similar to when Obama said he'd visited 57 states on the campaign trail, or Pelosi literally not giving a single fuck about exactly what Nunes' first name is - and rambling on incoherently and tweeting at 2am on a consistent basis.
Nice try though.
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On January 31 2018 00:49 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 00:39 Plansix wrote:On January 31 2018 00:28 Danglars wrote:On January 31 2018 00:08 Plansix wrote: It is sort of hard to by the argument that the “elites” are liberal when Republicans have dominated DC for a decade and a half. The rot in Washington is equally spread, but there are simply more Republicans there.
Also that article over uses the term elite, which is not an accurate description of the average house representative. It is a throw away term used to paint them all as “over educated” and out of touch.
Take any poll of career civil servants. The side that climbs the bureaucratic ladder is ridiculously tilted towards the left. The party more dependably this n favor of big government solutions. The party that says government can do amazing things appeals to civil servants. What a shocker. It is sort of a self fulfilling prophesy that civil servants believe the mission of the agency they work for. As the Republicans have moved away from the party of management and lean government to one of no government, it forces civil servants firmly into the party that believes in their mission. Republicans lost most civil servants long ago. Hey, you can admit you’re wrong. Sweet. https://twitter.com/politicalshort/status/958235971446689792For the 5+ people who gleefully questioned Trump’s mental health from a speech, are any of you going to do it to the other side? Try reading. I said the Republicans and the right controlled government for 16 years. The political leanings of civil servants were never part of the discussion and they don’t control government. Like all of your arguments, you run to safe harbor by arguing against a point no one made and then claim victory when someone say “of course.”
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I think I'm going to call him Dennis Nunes from now on.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/30/passing-on-sanctions-trump-goes-even-softer-on-russia-than-expected.html
Trump violates Russia sanctions bill. What a surprise. No one has mentioned it here, but Trump has completely violated the 98-2 voted sanctions bill in regards to one country.
Can anyone guess what country that is?
On January 31 2018 00:26 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 23:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: I just want this investigation to be over so I can know if we're turning into Russia, or Trump is being removed. Hopefully both.
This is a U.S. politics thread. So I don't feel out-of-line in saying America, even with a tyrant like Trump, is still a much healthier, stronger, and less tyrannical country than Russia. Putin has amassed what is arguably the greatest accumulation of wealth in the world, the richest man in the world, out of a lifetime of "Russian public service".
You can take the worst qualities of the Clintons, the Bushes, the Trumps, and Dick Cheney, and still end up with a lesser criminal than what Russia regularly surrenders itself to. So politely fuck off with that snarky comment.
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For reference, in 1994 a total of 400 million was spent by both parties across all of congress.
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I don't understand how Trump ignoring a 98-2 senate vote isn't an enormous red flag. How in the world are republicans not suddenly super sketched out?
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On January 31 2018 01:30 Mohdoo wrote: I don't understand how Trump ignoring a 98-2 senate vote isn't an enormous red flag. How in the world are republicans not suddenly super sketched out? why would they be when they ignored all the other red flags already? and are you asking for an explanation, or simply expressing shock at it?
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On January 31 2018 01:30 Mohdoo wrote: I don't understand how Trump ignoring a 98-2 senate vote isn't an enormous red flag. How in the world are republicans not suddenly super sketched out?
Because they only care about power. It was convenient then to pretend to care about Russia. It's convenient now to not. Letting Trump / Russia have their way with a constitutional crisis or two is a small price to pay for having his base behind them if they manage to get their authoritarian hands fully closed around the neck.
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ATLANTA—From a religious-freedom bill to a proposed English-only constitutional amendment, Georgia politicians and advocates are invoking Amazon’s name.
The prospect of luring the retailer here is being used as political ammunition, notwithstanding that Amazon.com Inc. is months away from picking among Atlanta and 19 other finalists for the location of its second headquarters.
Jeff Graham, who runs the state’s leading gay-rights organization, Georgia Equality, said he mentions the prospect of losing the online-shopping giant to rally opposition to a religious-freedom bill he considers discriminatory.
“Amazon has really upped the ante,” Mr. Graham said.
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In December, Republican state Sen. Marty Harbin, a leading backer of the bill, posted a video on YouTube titled “On Amazon and RFRA,” referring to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
In the video, he said if Amazon decided not to come to Georgia, it would be because it didn’t make financial sense, not because of passage of the law. “Amazon will accept RFRA whether they like it or not,” he said.
It is difficult to divine how state legislation will influence Amazon’s decision. A person familiar with the matter said Amazon will measure metro areas’ inclusiveness, and the consideration or passage of such legislation will be a factor in its decision-making.
Amazon, which has closely guarded its site-selection process, declined to comment on how heavily such legislation might weigh on its choice.
In its pitch in September to cities seeking to draw its promised 50,000 jobs and $5 billion of investment, Amazon said it sought “the presence and support of a diverse population, excellent institutes of higher education, local government structure and elected officials eager and willing to work with the company.” Amazon Chief Executive Jeff Bezos has been a supporter of gay rights, and Amazon has said any city it picks must be a “compatible cultural and community environment.”
Several states on Amazon’s shortlist, including Texas, Pennsylvania and Florida, have passed religious-liberties legislation. Opponents of Georgia’s religious freedom bill, however, point out that many states, including Texas, Pennsylvania and Florida, also have civil-rights statutes that explicitly protect gay people, while Georgia doesn’t.
Opponents of several Georgia bills dealing with immigration, including a state Senate resolution calling for a constitutional amendment to make English Georgia’s official language, have labeled the proposals “Adios Amazon” bills. A state Senate committee favorably recommended the resolution about the English language to the full Senate last week.
... www.wsj.com
Lol, amazing how desperate they sound to try to win over some “job creator.”
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I’m confused what this English only movement’s end goal will be. Is it to prohibit all signs printed in another language? To make other languages illegal? How is this enforced?
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On January 31 2018 00:26 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 23:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: I just want this investigation to be over so I can know if we're turning into Russia, or Trump is being removed. Hopefully both. Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 20:59 mustaju wrote:I recently came across this in an Estonian culture publication. It seems to provide a quite thorough counter-argument to the claim that the protests at the US universities regarding controversial speakers is a major issue. It seems rather well-sourced as well. It did not address the violence accompanying some events however, but since this seems to come up so often, maybe it is interesting to other people too. I did not see it posted, so apologies if it's spam. Source The thesis of this piece seems to be that it’s not really just universities, it’s a more general trend towards silencing undesirable speech that you could find among the larger population. That’s a reasonable assertion, especially since it’s well-sourced. And it’s also a good observation that not all students are created equal, and that many of them are perfectly reasonable individuals. The place where this fails is in the institutional support for that “snowflake mentality” that our conservative fanbase talks about. In my personal experience, while student bases can be diverse enough by virtue of the fact that people aren’t all the same, the administration of universities are strongly pressured to cater towards the lowest common denominator, i.e. to go out of the way to try to please the most easily offended people in the student population. I suppose it’s something of a liability issue, and also something of a PR issue, but the aggregate results are really stupid. Anecdotally, I’ve been part of a university faculty in the past, for a university not particularly known for its ideological bent or for having a particularly skewed student base. I still had to learn about and humor all the stuff that seems like it would come out of a conservative circlejerk about culture war: rape culture, safe spaces, trigger warnings, microaggressions, basically everything you do is sexual harassment, so on and so forth. To me at least, that gives credence to the conservative narrative because I’ve seen institutional support for that brand of stupidity.
Let's pause for a moment to remember that conservatives have absolutely no right to cry about "Snowflake" mentalities. There are numerous topics where conservatives absolutely lose their fucking minds and go full-blown snowflake. The hypocrisy is palpable.
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On January 31 2018 02:00 Plansix wrote: I’m confused what this English only movement’s end goal will be. Is it to prohibit all signs printed in another language? To make other languages illegal? How is this enforced? generally it's to make english the official language, and to have all official stuff be in english (and generally only in english iirc). sometimes it's also to bar some kinds of bilingual education support.
mostly it's just an excuse to cover for bigotry of course.
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On January 31 2018 02:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 00:26 LegalLord wrote:On January 30 2018 23:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: I just want this investigation to be over so I can know if we're turning into Russia, or Trump is being removed. Hopefully both. On January 30 2018 20:59 mustaju wrote:I recently came across this in an Estonian culture publication. It seems to provide a quite thorough counter-argument to the claim that the protests at the US universities regarding controversial speakers is a major issue. It seems rather well-sourced as well. It did not address the violence accompanying some events however, but since this seems to come up so often, maybe it is interesting to other people too. I did not see it posted, so apologies if it's spam. Source The thesis of this piece seems to be that it’s not really just universities, it’s a more general trend towards silencing undesirable speech that you could find among the larger population. That’s a reasonable assertion, especially since it’s well-sourced. And it’s also a good observation that not all students are created equal, and that many of them are perfectly reasonable individuals. The place where this fails is in the institutional support for that “snowflake mentality” that our conservative fanbase talks about. In my personal experience, while student bases can be diverse enough by virtue of the fact that people aren’t all the same, the administration of universities are strongly pressured to cater towards the lowest common denominator, i.e. to go out of the way to try to please the most easily offended people in the student population. I suppose it’s something of a liability issue, and also something of a PR issue, but the aggregate results are really stupid. Anecdotally, I’ve been part of a university faculty in the past, for a university not particularly known for its ideological bent or for having a particularly skewed student base. I still had to learn about and humor all the stuff that seems like it would come out of a conservative circlejerk about culture war: rape culture, safe spaces, trigger warnings, microaggressions, basically everything you do is sexual harassment, so on and so forth. To me at least, that gives credence to the conservative narrative because I’ve seen institutional support for that brand of stupidity. Let's pause for a moment to remember that conservatives have absolutely no right to cry about "Snowflake" mentalities. There are numerous topics where conservatives absolutely lose their fucking minds and go full-blown snowflake. The hypocrisy is palpable. I’m not necessarily going to disagree (and I will note that it’s slightly beside the point), but I’d like to hear more specifics about what these “conservative snowflake” topics are. I’m curious what you’re referring to.
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