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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4935 Posts
January 09 2018 11:26 GMT
#192921
If Trump would say: time to press the button, do you guys think it would actually go through?
I feel like it's completely unfathomable to have a global wipeout option at the disposal of a singular person, being able to decide for everyone on a whim.
Taxes are for Terrans
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21923 Posts
January 09 2018 11:32 GMT
#192922
On January 09 2018 20:26 Uldridge wrote:
If Trump would say: time to press the button, do you guys think it would actually go through?
I feel like it's completely unfathomable to have a global wipeout option at the disposal of a singular person, being able to decide for everyone on a whim.

I still hold the the belief that the Military is of sound enough mind to tell him to fuck off if he wanted to do it in a situation that did not warrant it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 09 2018 11:39 GMT
#192923
All this talk about Oprah is asinine, also bet it is driving Clinton nuts.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
levelping
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore759 Posts
January 09 2018 11:55 GMT
#192924
On January 09 2018 20:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
All this talk about Oprah is asinine, also bet it is driving Clinton nuts.


Maybe it shows that America is really very much burdened by a savoir complex.

IF ONLY X PERSON could come and SAVE us from Z PERSON!

Which is a bit weird because the founding fathers created institutions to limit the amount influence that one person can hold.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 09 2018 11:58 GMT
#192925
No need to worry, this is a Chinese hoax.

With three strong hurricanes, wildfires, hail, flooding, tornadoes and drought, the United States tallied a record high bill last year for weather disasters: $306bn, according to a new government report released on Monday.

The US had 16 disasters last year with damage exceeding a billion dollars, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa) said. That ties 2011 for the number of billion-dollar disasters, but the total cost blew past the previous record of $215bn in 2005.

Costs are adjusted for inflation and Noaa keeps track of billion-dollar weather disasters going back to 1980.

Three of the five most expensive hurricanes in US history hit last year.
Hurricane Harvey cost $125bn, second only to 2005’s Katrina, while Maria cost $90bn, ranking third, Noaa said. Irma was $50bn, for the fifth most expensive hurricane. Western wildfires fanned by heat racked up $18bn in damage, triple the previous US wildfire record, according to Noaa.

“While we have to be careful about kneejerk cause-effect discussions, the National Academy of Science and recent peer-reviewed literature continue to show that some of today’s extremes have climate change fingerprints on them,” said University of Georgia meteorology professor Marshall Shepherd, a past president of the American Meteorological Society.

At least 362 people died in 2017 due to these natural disasters, the agency reported, including 64 killed in Puerto Rico. Outlets such as the New York Times and BuzzFeed have questioned the official death toll from the island, and estimated that Hurricane Maria has caused the deaths of about 1,000 people.

Noaa announced its figures at the society’s annual conference in Austin, Texas.
The weather agency also said that 2017 was the third hottest year in US records for the lower 48 states with an annual temperature of 54.6F (12.6C), 2.6 degrees warmer than the 20th-century average. Only 2012 and 2016 were warmer. The five warmest years for the lower 48 states have all happened since 2006.

This was the third straight year that all 50 states had above-average temperatures for the year.

Five states Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina and New Mexico had their warmest year ever. Temperature records go back to 1895.


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Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
January 09 2018 12:13 GMT
#192926
On January 09 2018 17:58 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2018 12:16 Lmui wrote:
On January 09 2018 11:51 DarkSpearTriant wrote:
Trump is gonna dominate the election in 2020. First members of Generation Z will be 18 and will overwhelmingly vote Trump!


Explain.

Most people that age don't vote. Trump is showing significant signs of mental degradation, it's unlikely hell make it to 2020 without being even more of a bumbling idiot than he is right now.

Trump's opposition is showing significant signs of mental degradation. They can't deal with a narcissist that acts like a narcissist. They also can't deal with childlike petulance. The current "he's mentally unfit to serve/25th Amendment" wackos don't do the broader opposition movement any favors. (one example)


Thought experiment:
I lock you, chained to a chair, in a room with a demanding, selfish child given access to an array of torture devices, live fire-arms, and the ability to order your friends and family to suffer with you.

I expect you'd be fine with this. After all it's just narcissism and petulance right?

NO IT ISN'T. It's that coupled with more power than anyone on the planet. How the flying ---- do you not get this? Other nations are openly discussing how the US leadership is somewhere between unreliable as an ally anymore, and outright insane. Anyone looking from the outside in can see what an absolute ****show this is, and a dangerous one at that. Imagine this idiot during the Cold War, we (those who would be alive) would wake up to a nuclear tundra every morning.

If the democrats elected someone like this there'd be calls for their bloody head ringing through the streets and across the Foxscape, and maybe rightly so. But when Trump does it "lol just deal with the petulant child whose in power".

Malicious and deliberate ignorance. So much fun.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5748 Posts
January 09 2018 12:24 GMT
#192927
On January 09 2018 20:26 Uldridge wrote:
If Trump would say: time to press the button, do you guys think it would actually go through?
I feel like it's completely unfathomable to have a global wipeout option at the disposal of a singular person, being able to decide for everyone on a whim.

It's not in the US, at every level it takes two people, at the top the President and Secretary of Defense both, though I can't speak for the other 8 nuclear weapon states that you raised concern about, many of which have a unilateral global wipeout option.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7916 Posts
January 09 2018 13:32 GMT
#192928
On January 09 2018 20:55 levelping wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2018 20:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
All this talk about Oprah is asinine, also bet it is driving Clinton nuts.


Maybe it shows that America is really very much burdened by a savoir complex.

IF ONLY X PERSON could come and SAVE us from Z PERSON!

Which is a bit weird because the founding fathers created institutions to limit the amount influence that one person can hold.

I really hope this realtv show stops at one point. Running the country is serious business. Entertainers with 0 experience getting elected or even considered to that office is a really terrifying slope.

Until now Trump is a groteque anomaly and a weird monstrous child of anti elitism and anti intellectualism in the US. Let’s hope it’s not becoming the new norm.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 09 2018 13:34 GMT
#192929
On January 09 2018 20:26 Uldridge wrote:
If Trump would say: time to press the button, do you guys think it would actually go through?
I feel like it's completely unfathomable to have a global wipeout option at the disposal of a singular person, being able to decide for everyone on a whim.

depends on the target and reasoning.
I'd say no (in terms of cases where it's obviously a bad call)
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21923 Posts
January 09 2018 13:38 GMT
#192930
On January 09 2018 22:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2018 20:55 levelping wrote:
On January 09 2018 20:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
All this talk about Oprah is asinine, also bet it is driving Clinton nuts.


Maybe it shows that America is really very much burdened by a savoir complex.

IF ONLY X PERSON could come and SAVE us from Z PERSON!

Which is a bit weird because the founding fathers created institutions to limit the amount influence that one person can hold.

I really hope this realtv show stops at one point. Running the country is serious business. Entertainers with 0 experience getting elected or even considered to that office is a really terrifying slope.

Until now Trump is a groteque anomaly and a weird monstrous child of anti elitism and anti intellectualism in the US. Let’s hope it’s not becoming the new norm.

When voters stop caring about personalities and buzzwords and start paying attention to policy.

So... not any time soon.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 09 2018 15:05 GMT
#192931
Making America great again!

In Indiana, Missouri and Pennsylvania, President Trump used the same promise to sell the tax bill: It would bring jobs streaming back to struggling cities and towns.

“Factories will be pouring into this country,” Mr. Trump told a crowd in St. Charles, Mo., in November. “The tax cut will mean more companies moving to America, staying in America and hiring American workers right here.”

The bill that Mr. Trump signed, however, could actually make it attractive for companies to put more assembly lines on foreign soil.

Under the new law, income made by American companies’ overseas subsidiaries will face United States taxes that are half the rate applied to their domestic income, 10.5 percent compared with the new top corporate rate of 21 percent.

“It’s sort of an America-last tax policy,” said Kimberly Clausing, an economist at Reed College in Portland, Ore., who studies tax policy. “We are basically saying that if you earn in the U.S., you pay X, and if you earn abroad, you pay X divided by two.”

What could be more dangerous for American workers, economists said, is that the bill ends up creating a tax break for manufacturers with foreign operations. Under the new rules, beyond the lower rate, companies will not have to pay United States taxes on the money they earn from plants or equipment located abroad, if those earnings amount to 10 percent or less of the total investment.

The Republican vision for the tax plan was to make the United States a more competitive place to do business. Supporters contend that the new rules do not encourage companies to locate overseas. Rather, they say, slashing the corporate rate will make it more attractive to set up shop at home, since many other advanced economies now have higher taxes.

And manufacturers do not simply follow their accountants’ advice. They consider taxes, but they also look at an array of other factors, including the local talent pool and transportation network, when deciding where to build a new plant.

Before the tax overhaul, companies had to pay the standard corporate tax on the money they earned abroad, with a top rate of 35 percent, but only when they brought that income back into the United States.

Many corporations responded by keeping their profits abroad indefinitely. A record $2.6 trillion was in offshore accounts as of 2015, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, a congressional panel. Republicans argued that the system deprived the American economy of investments that could have financed new ventures and hiring at home.

It also meant that many multinationals effectively paid no American tax on their overseas earnings. The new bill, supporters point out, will prevent that from happening on such a large scale in the future.

“It’s a vast improvement from what was on the books,” said Ray Beeman, a tax lawyer at Ernst & Young who worked on a tax reform proposal that was a precursor to the current law when he was counsel to the House Ways and Means Committee, under Republican leadership, from 2011 to 2014.

To prevent an exodus of businesses from the United States, the law establishes a minimum tax rate of 10.5 percent every year.

Companies will get credit for up to 80 percent of the taxes they pay to foreign governments. But if the total still comes to less than 10.5 percent of the income they earn abroad, they have to make up the difference with a check to the American government.

So while companies will now have to pay some tax in most cases, wherever they operate, they will pay much less on what they make abroad than at home.

“Having such a low rate on foreign income is outrageous,” said Stephen E. Shay, a senior lecturer at Harvard Law School and a Treasury Department official during the Reagan and Obama administrations. “It creates terrible incentives.”

Mr. Shay said the new rule could make a big difference for small and medium-size companies, which make up a vast majority of American businesses. When those companies used to ask him whether to open offices abroad, he advised against it if they needed to bring their cash home.

Such companies, Mr. Shay said, now have no reason to resist the temptation to shift some of their operations abroad, since they would end up paying half the rate they would pay in the United States.

Some companies may not want to leave the comforts of home for a cut in their tax bill. Plants are expensive — they can cost more than $1 billion to buy and to outfit with the necessary industrial machinery. Manufacturers also gravitate toward stable, affordable locales where they can reach their customers easily and hire skilled workers.

“You may prefer to stay in the U.S., with the protections of our legal system, our infrastructure and our labor force,” said Steven M. Rosenthal, an expert at the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

On the other hand, for the biggest makers of cars and machines — the kinds of companies that Mr. Trump promised to lure back to the United States — a few percentage points in tax savings can be valuable.

“There are lots of great retail markets out there,” Mr. Rosenthal said. “The new rules might yet encourage jobs and factories to be shipped offshore.”


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-09 15:43:33
January 09 2018 15:43 GMT
#192932
On January 09 2018 15:54 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2018 15:06 m4ini wrote:
On January 09 2018 08:28 crms wrote:
On January 09 2018 07:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:

How is it not mandatory for elected officials to be knowledgeable on topics with the wealth of information at their finger tips.


Well.. It's supposed to be.

You see, the safeguard against this is (supposed to be) the voter. Sadly that doesn't really work out in politics, people find it more important to "get dem brown people out" than having an actually intelligent politician.

Keep in mind, an intelligent politician, or the intelligent decision, is not always (in fact, rarely) the decision the voter likes.

This + Show Spoiler +
How is it not mandatory for [insert opposition here] to be knowledgeable on topics with the wealth of information at their finger tips.
whole line of reasoning is idiotic and can be applied pretty much by anyone to anyone they disagree with.

Not to mention, the statement at hand is not nearly as implausible as its made out to be. African Americans tend to be relatively poor. Poor people tend to abuse drugs at higher rates. Unemployment likely plays a role there. Some races (not necessarily blacks) appear to be more predisposed to alcohol addiction. Black culture's own role in explaining some of the African American community's struggles is, at the very least, debatable to the point where one shouldn't be necessarily ostracized for speaking of it.

The guy definitely isn't a paragon of intellectual virtue, but the statement isn't much more blatantly false than the median statement made by a politician either. Of course, it's taboo to associate race with any negative characteristics in this day and age, even if you acknowledge that the causal factors have little to nothing to do with skin color itself, so this one gets special attention.


To be clear, you're saying it's plausible that black people are more prone to marijuana use and abuse because of genetics. Citation needed.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 09 2018 15:48 GMT
#192933
President Donald Trump—who boasted over the weekend that his success in life was a result of “being, like, really smart”—communicates at the lowest grade level of the last 15 presidents, according to a new analysis of the speech patterns of presidents going back to Herbert Hoover.

The analysis assessed the first 30,000 words each president spoke in office, and ranked them on the Flesch-Kincaid grade level scale and more than two dozen other common tests analyzing English-language difficulty levels. Trump clocked in around mid-fourth grade, the worst since Harry Truman, who spoke at nearly a sixth-grade level.

At the top of the list were Hoover and Jimmy Carter, who were basically at an 11th-grade level, and President Barack Obama, in third place with a high ninth-grade level of communicating with the American people.

The Flesch-Kincaid scale was developed in 1975 for the U.S. Navy to assess the relative difficulty of training manuals biased on word length and sentence length. A database of Trump’s words, compiled by the incomparable factba.se, ran the comparative analysis yesterday, in response to the president’s claim that he is “a genius.”


www.yahoo.com
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 09 2018 15:54 GMT
#192934
On January 09 2018 19:08 levelping wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2018 17:58 Danglars wrote:
On January 09 2018 12:16 Lmui wrote:
On January 09 2018 11:51 DarkSpearTriant wrote:
Trump is gonna dominate the election in 2020. First members of Generation Z will be 18 and will overwhelmingly vote Trump!


Explain.

Most people that age don't vote. Trump is showing significant signs of mental degradation, it's unlikely hell make it to 2020 without being even more of a bumbling idiot than he is right now.

Trump's opposition is showing significant signs of mental degradation. They can't deal with a narcissist that acts like a narcissist. They also can't deal with childlike petulance. The current "he's mentally unfit to serve/25th Amendment" wackos don't do the broader opposition movement any favors. (one example)


Isn't the much bigger problem the narcissism and childlike petulance (with access to a nuclear button)? Why do you try to draw an equivalence between the behavior of the guy in charge, and how his opponents respond to him?

Uhh ... you aren’t getting rid of Trump for the next three years and quick look at Trump from the 1080s to today shows he’s unlikely to change. Focus on problems you can fix? Calling him mentally unfit and subject to removal hurts the legitimate opposition.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9629 Posts
January 09 2018 15:59 GMT
#192935
On January 10 2018 00:54 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2018 19:08 levelping wrote:
On January 09 2018 17:58 Danglars wrote:
On January 09 2018 12:16 Lmui wrote:
On January 09 2018 11:51 DarkSpearTriant wrote:
Trump is gonna dominate the election in 2020. First members of Generation Z will be 18 and will overwhelmingly vote Trump!


Explain.

Most people that age don't vote. Trump is showing significant signs of mental degradation, it's unlikely hell make it to 2020 without being even more of a bumbling idiot than he is right now.

Trump's opposition is showing significant signs of mental degradation. They can't deal with a narcissist that acts like a narcissist. They also can't deal with childlike petulance. The current "he's mentally unfit to serve/25th Amendment" wackos don't do the broader opposition movement any favors. (one example)


Isn't the much bigger problem the narcissism and childlike petulance (with access to a nuclear button)? Why do you try to draw an equivalence between the behavior of the guy in charge, and how his opponents respond to him?

Uhh ... you aren’t getting rid of Trump for the next three years and quick look at Trump from the 1080s to today shows he’s unlikely to change. Focus on problems you can fix? Calling him mentally unfit and subject to removal hurts the legitimate opposition.

this’ll age well i’m certain. my money is on a resignation, personally.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5748 Posts
January 09 2018 16:03 GMT
#192936
On January 10 2018 00:59 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2018 00:54 Danglars wrote:
On January 09 2018 19:08 levelping wrote:
On January 09 2018 17:58 Danglars wrote:
On January 09 2018 12:16 Lmui wrote:
On January 09 2018 11:51 DarkSpearTriant wrote:
Trump is gonna dominate the election in 2020. First members of Generation Z will be 18 and will overwhelmingly vote Trump!


Explain.

Most people that age don't vote. Trump is showing significant signs of mental degradation, it's unlikely hell make it to 2020 without being even more of a bumbling idiot than he is right now.

Trump's opposition is showing significant signs of mental degradation. They can't deal with a narcissist that acts like a narcissist. They also can't deal with childlike petulance. The current "he's mentally unfit to serve/25th Amendment" wackos don't do the broader opposition movement any favors. (one example)


Isn't the much bigger problem the narcissism and childlike petulance (with access to a nuclear button)? Why do you try to draw an equivalence between the behavior of the guy in charge, and how his opponents respond to him?

Uhh ... you aren’t getting rid of Trump for the next three years and quick look at Trump from the 1080s to today shows he’s unlikely to change. Focus on problems you can fix? Calling him mentally unfit and subject to removal hurts the legitimate opposition.

this’ll age well i’m certain. my money is on a resignation, personally.

I think Danglars and I would be nothing but happy for the forces that perpetually predict doom about the president to finally be right about something in the event he were impeached or resigned.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
January 09 2018 16:05 GMT
#192937
On January 10 2018 00:48 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
President Donald Trump—who boasted over the weekend that his success in life was a result of “being, like, really smart”—communicates at the lowest grade level of the last 15 presidents, according to a new analysis of the speech patterns of presidents going back to Herbert Hoover.

The analysis assessed the first 30,000 words each president spoke in office, and ranked them on the Flesch-Kincaid grade level scale and more than two dozen other common tests analyzing English-language difficulty levels. Trump clocked in around mid-fourth grade, the worst since Harry Truman, who spoke at nearly a sixth-grade level.

At the top of the list were Hoover and Jimmy Carter, who were basically at an 11th-grade level, and President Barack Obama, in third place with a high ninth-grade level of communicating with the American people.

The Flesch-Kincaid scale was developed in 1975 for the U.S. Navy to assess the relative difficulty of training manuals biased on word length and sentence length. A database of Trump’s words, compiled by the incomparable factba.se, ran the comparative analysis yesterday, in response to the president’s claim that he is “a genius.”


www.yahoo.com

Funniest thing I've read in a long time. He'll be twatting about Yahoo soon, if he hasn't already.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 09 2018 16:13 GMT
#192938
Yahoo is, to be fair, pretty much a tabloid news source. Let the shitty president and the shitty news source fight each other and call it a day.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 09 2018 16:33 GMT
#192939
Yahoo mostly reposts from other sites. That one is Newsweek I believe. But the underlying analysis is the actual “news” there.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 09 2018 16:37 GMT
#192940
is that "news" new? or is it just one of the old analyses bein reposted? cuz thsoe have been done before and got the same results; so I wouldn't really expect them to change, whether or not it's a new analysis.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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